Zionist and the bloodline of Tubal-Cain

reply to post by FurvusRexCaeli

Originally posted by filosophia

Originally posted by jtap66
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a documented fraud. That being said, basing any kind of argument on a fraudulent book of anti-semitism renders your point moot.

No matter how many times you call it a fraud people will still read it because it is historically and philosophically significant. So please take your book burning elsewhere.

Indeed the book is significant - even prophetic. Being anti-Zionist is NOT anti-Semitic. There is no escaping the fact that The Protocols are relevant.

reply to post by LUXUS

People generally refer to them as TPTB (The powers that be) not knowing exactly who they are but knowing of their existence through the deliberate and targeted degradation of society.

This is something that has really bugged me for some time, why is it that the American and British government seem to be against their own people, why is it that the media are deliberately trying to rot the brains of the young and corrupt them by promoting low values, why is it that society is breaking down around us.

Has the British and American power structure been infiltrated by some outside controlling force which wishes to bring down our nations?

TPTB use many tricks to ensure wealth and power.

Keeping everybody chasing their own tails is one method.

biblebelievers has a good article on the most successful ......


Hegelian Dialectics and Conspiracy


After reading the article,

note how they explain Satan vs. Constantine as an example.

is that a Hegelian dialectic within itself?

or this: "Union of churches to stop Communism and rule New World Order" ?

reply to post by LUXUS


Morning Luxus,

Something that occurs to me is that Tubal Cain was reputed to be the first to have metal skills etc. However the skills of weaponry and metal work I was taught came from the fallen angels who taught us these skills which annoyed God.

The thing about the Adam, Eve, Able and Cain era is that the whole story is flawed by the presence of others in the Land of Nod who would harm Cain. The only possibility is that they were creations of God (If you take the line God created the world and all who live upon it) but who were they - either fallen angels or God took a while perfecting Adam. We keep awfully quiet about 'Her' Lilith because there is no talk whatsoever about God creating her, but if one follows the 'line' he must have done earlier than Eve.

The whole era seems to be a hotch-potch of muddled times and myths. Our beliefs come from this hotch-potch which gives up fallen angels, heroes, biblical characters, titans, giants and deformed monsters etc etc

What I found particularly interesting is something I have 'felt' which is the only way to describe this, but its the presence of a Pharoniac influence among the people who hold the financial power and are busily throttling the world at this moment. Your graph was most illuminating because it gives my strange feeling or intuition a blood line linkage. But of course, who knows?

reply to post by Lynda101


Hi Lynda101,

The flood story I believe relates to a specific people, not that the flood did not have world wide consequences but it concerns itself exclusively with the genealogy of a specific peoples and has no interest in documenting the effect on all peoples worldwide. In the northern hemisphere of the earth the people before the flood were known as the pre Adamic race. Most were wiped out by the flood and the blood descendent of Adam are known as the Adamic race.

As you will note Japhet is not the son of Adam so his blood descendents (Europeans) do not belong to the "Adamic" race. The blood descendents of shem do belong to the Adamic race however. So we have a situation where the "adamic" race Jews feel they are superior to the "Goyim"

reply to post by LUXUS

Neat picture. I can draw one showing that Tubal-cain is the descendant of Bill Clinton and Minnie Mouse. And it would be just as authoritative as yours.

reply to post by LUXUS

Did you want me to read that wall of text? Why should I take anything from "The Huddle" as a serious source of Zionist belief? They claim to be an arm of the "Israel Doctrine," and that Doctrine is a combination of Christianity and Black Hebrewism. It's an expression of an American religious movement in which freed slaves, identifying just as much with the Exodus as the New Testament, adopted Jewish rites and an Israelite identity. A whole mythology grew up around this saying that African Americans are the real Israelites. (You can also find people claiming the British, Japanese, or Pashtun are Israelites. Everyone wants to be the Chosen People, I guess.) But the fact remains, they're something of a fringe group. Zionists take no notice of them, and they certainly aren't given copies of the Secret Zionist Master Plan. Israel didn't even let Black Hebrews be permanent residents until 1992.

If you want me to believe Zionists are motivated by some kind of peridiluvian blood feud, find a legitimate Zionist source of information backing up this claim. That, or a peer reviewed article or monograph by an accredited scholar, or at least a well-written amateur essay.

reply to post by FurvusRexCaeli


The chart was not worked by me it comes from the sovereign and chivalric genealogist of the royal house of stewart Laurence Gardner.

Yes I can understand that you don't want to read that wall of text, tastes bad when you've been proven wrong!

Originally posted by LUXUS
reply to post by Lynda101

 

Hi Lynda101,

The flood story I believe relates to a specific people, not that the flood did not have world wide consequences but it concerns itself exclusively with the genealogy of a specific peoples and has no interest in documenting the effect on all peoples worldwide. In the northern hemisphere of the earth the people before the flood were known as the pre Adamic race. Most were wiped out by the flood and the blood descendent of Adam are known as the Adamic race.

As you will note Japhet is not the son of Adam so his blood descendents (Europeans) do not belong to the "Adamic" race. The blood descendents of shem do belong to the Adamic race however. So we have a situation where the "adamic" race Jews feel they are superior to the "Goyim"

Hi Luxus,

I am not challenging anything you write whatsoever but I am curious about where you are coming from. I could be completely wrong but I seem to differ with you.

I understood that Abraham does not 'appear' until the 5th/6thcentury BC and then, apparently not from an oral tradition but more significantly from the scribes as a tool to persuade the Israelites to obey their wishes. Most Jews I know take Abram as their instigator which takes me back to my original point that the Israelites are late comers to the ME.

I've also read no end of times that God created the flood purely to wipe out mankind whom the bible tells us had fully populated the world. One version said he couldn't stand the noise of our chattering - hence the tower of Babel.

I just don't see how, if you bring the Israelites out from the Garden of Eden as immediate descendants of Adam - Cain and then Tubal Cain, there was no Israelite State earlier than Canaan and no mention of these people, who should have held the largest and superior governorships in the world shown by the archaelogical record. Other peoples existed in power before the Israelistes established themseves.

I see where the Goyim comes from and 'how to value and use the goyim' comes from the Talmud, which I think is well over due translation into the mainstream especially in the light of what is happening.

Originally posted by LUXUS
The chart was not worked by me it comes from the sovereign and chivalric genealogist of the royal house of stewart Laurence Gardner.

Yes, Gardiner knows his stuff but he also has an agenda. He is out to prove that the House of Stuart (or Stewart) are the rightful rulers of Great Britain and have divine blood. To buy this line of thinking you have to buy the divine right of kings. Do you. Do you have a man/God you believe to be the Custodian of the land and ruler of nations? (To be fair the Stuarts believe that they are the stewards and protectors of the lands not the rulers over it but there is a fine line.)

What do you think the word Goyim meant in the Protocols?

Originally posted by jtap66
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a documented fraud. That being said, basing any kind of argument on a fraudulent book of anti-semitism renders your point moot.

So, are you trying to insinuate that the Zionist haven't infiltrated the areas that the op mentioned? Are you saying the influx of immigrants into our areas is imagined? I beg to differ after looking into the subject.

Originally posted by FurvusRexCaeli
reply to post by LUXUS

 

Neat picture. I can draw one showing that Tubal-cain is the descendant of Bill Clinton and Minnie Mouse. And it would be just as authoritative as yours.

We know who was not the favorite child. This is the guy who doesn't get the invite...(of any kind) How about instead of offering your lame arsed sarcasm, you offer a chart that is more accurate...

Why are people supporting 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion' when it has been thoroughly debunked as a fraudulent document? Culturally significant? That is just plain sad to call it that. It is nothing but a straight up plagiarized fictional document... very sad to see that ATS still believes it is real.

Originally posted by FurvusRexCaeli
reply to post by LUXUS

 

Did you want me to read that wall of text? Why should I take anything from "The Huddle" as a serious source of Zionist belief? They claim to be an arm of the "Israel Doctrine," and that Doctrine is a combination of Christianity and Black Hebrewism. It's an expression of an American religious movement in which freed slaves, identifying just as much with the Exodus as the New Testament, adopted Jewish rites and an Israelite identity. A whole mythology grew up around this saying that African Americans are the real Israelites. (You can also find people claiming the British, Japanese, or Pashtun are Israelites. Everyone wants to be the Chosen People, I guess.) But the fact remains, they're something of a fringe group. Zionists take no notice of them, and they certainly aren't given copies of the Secret Zionist Master Plan. Israel didn't even let Black Hebrews be permanent residents until 1992.

If you want me to believe Zionists are motivated by some kind of peridiluvian blood feud, find a legitimate Zionist source of information backing up this claim. That, or a peer reviewed article or monograph by an accredited scholar, or at least a well-written amateur essay.

can you find one that says he is incorrect. you oppinion matters not, unless you are offering the "correct" account. I think it sounds very plausible from what I have researched in my lifetime.

Originally posted by LUXUS
reply to post by FurvusRexCaeli

 

The chart was not worked by me it comes from the sovereign and chivalric genealogist of the royal house of stewart Laurence Gardner.

Yes I can understand that you don't want to read that wall of text, tastes bad when you've been proven wrong!

I think it is a very good research subject that you have found excellent info and given great insight on.

Originally posted by fordrew
Why are people supporting 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion' when it has been thoroughly debunked as a fraudulent document? Culturally significant? That is just plain sad to call it that. It is nothing but a straight up plagiarized fictional document... very sad to see that ATS still believes it is real.

The book may be fake but the infiltration/manipulation over the years is not.

Originally posted by Pimander

. . .
Being anti-Zionist is NOT anti-Semitic.

. . .

". . . You declare, my friend, that you do not hate the Jews, you are merely 'anti-Zionist.' And I say, let the truth ring forth from the high mountain tops, let it echo through the valleys of God's green earth: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews--this is God's own truth.

"Antisemitism, the hatred of the Jewish people, has been and remains a blot on the soul of mankind. In this we are in full agreement. So know also this: anti-Zionist is inherently antisemitic, and ever will be so.

"Why is this? You know that Zionism is nothing less than the dream and ideal of the Jewish people returning to live in their own land. The Jewish people, the Scriptures tell us, once enjoyed a flourishing Commonwealth in the Holy Land. From this they were expelled by the Roman tyrant, the same Romans who cruelly murdered Our Lord. Driven from their homeland, their nation in ashes, forced to wander the globe, the Jewish people time and again suffered the lash of whichever tyrant happened to rule over them.

"The Negro people, my friend, know what it is to suffer the torment of tyranny under rulers not of our choosing. Our brothers in Africa have begged, pleaded, requested--DEMANDED the recognition and realization of our inborn right to live in peace under our own sovereignty in our own country.

"How easy it should be, for anyone who holds dear this inalienable right of all mankind, to understand and support the right of the Jewish People to live in their ancient Land of Israel. All men of good will exult in the fulfilment of God's promise, that his People should return in joy to rebuild their plundered land.

This is Zionism, nothing more, nothing less.

"And what is anti-Zionist? It is the denial to the Jewish people of a fundamental right that we justly claim for the people of Africa and freely accord all other nations of the Globe. It is discrimination against Jews, my friend, because they are Jews. In short, it is antisemitism.

"The antisemite rejoices at any opportunity to vent his malice. The times have made it unpopular, in the West, to proclaim openly a hatred of the Jews. This being the case, the antisemite must constantly seek new forms and forums for his poison. How he must revel in the new masquerade! He does not hate the Jews, he is just 'anti-Zionist'!

"My friend, I do not accuse you of deliberate antisemitism. I know you feel, as I do, a deep love of truth and justice and a revulsion for racism, prejudice, and discrimination. But I know you have been misled--as others have been--into thinking you can be 'anti-Zionist' and yet remain true to these heartfelt principles that you and I share.

Let my words echo in the depths of your soul: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews--make no mistake about it."

From M.L. King Jr., "Letter to an Anti-Zionist Friend," Saturday Review_XLVII (Aug. 1967), p. 76.
Reprinted in M.L. King Jr., "This I Believe: Selections from the Writings of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr."

“Zionism is an expression of Jewish refusal to assimilate.” - HG Wells

There is a dangerous confluence between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism, though the two concepts are not always identical. Anti-Zionism is often used to conceal hatred of Jews. Anti-Semitic views can be easily distinguished from legitimate criticism of Israel.

*Consider the source. Is the speaker someone with a history of anti-Jewish attitudes?
*Critics who habitually single out Israel for condemnation while ignoring far worse actions by other countries (especially other Middle Eastern countries) are anti-Semitic.
*Likening Israel to Nazi Germany, or to traditional anti-Jewish stereotypical behavior is another sure sign of Jew-baiting.
*Attacks on the merits of Israel's existence rather than individual government policies are anti-Semitic.

(From Seymour Martin Lipset, “The Socialism of Fools—The Left, the Jews and Israel,” Encounter, (December 1969), p. 24.)

Funny, how 95% of the "anti-zionist" stuff is related to anti-Jew material.

But it is not the same

Thanks for the chart. When I was looking at Tubal-Cain I saw he was listed as the King of UR.

UR is in Iraq. We have been in that region for the past ten years? Some claim we are in that region because of a Star gate. This is a very interesting topic because of all the roads it opens.

Peace to all.

Originally posted by Turkenstein

Originally posted by fordrew
Why are people supporting 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion' when it has been thoroughly debunked as a fraudulent document? Culturally significant? That is just plain sad to call it that. It is nothing but a straight up plagiarized fictional document... very sad to see that ATS still believes it is real.

The book may be fake but the infiltration/manipulation over the years is not.

That is of your opinion. Don't get me wrong, Zionists are monsters, but I do not think they have a secret agenda. They want 'their' land back, but that is not a secret. They are monstrous because of the fact that they want their land, and they create war for it. Needless war, and they commit many war crimes on a daily basis. If they decided to just live peacefully and slowly take it over through occupation and migration towards the territory there would be no war.

Originally posted by fordrew
Why are people supporting 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion' when it has been thoroughly debunked as a fraudulent document? Culturally significant? That is just plain sad to call it that. It is nothing but a straight up plagiarized fictional document... very sad to see that ATS still believes it is real.

It is significant because it accurately predicts what is happening now and has happened. It looks as if whatever document it is plagiarised from was an agenda of some sort. It may even have been a deliberate leaking of an agenda by someone who was opposed to it.

ETA: I completely understand that it is not a grand conspiracy by the Jewish race to rule the masses.