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What you just said right there is all true and can be backed up with the New Testament.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
No, Christ died so we can become suitable to represent the work of God.
Christ, you didn't die for nothing. Thank you for the salvation you wrought by your faithfulness and sacrifice. Thank you for bearing my sins, Amen.
The sacrifice was to free us from the covenant and the law and the god of the Old Testament so we can become the subjects of the Lord Jesus who replaced the person called lord in olden times, and to be in communion with the real God who created the entire universe, the Father of Jesus.
The bearing sins for us is an allusion to the suffering servant of Isaiah 53, and means that he was accounted a sinner, but has nothing to do with dying to pay for sins.
More nonsense. Christ died for US. He died for OUR sins. He gave His life for us, bearing OUR sins on the cross.
That's why you have the other three Gospels called the Synoptic Gospels.
It's a known fact, that this narrative is quite different from the previous three. . .
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
That's funny because you were saying earlier repentance was part of sanctification so we never actually achieve repentance in this lifetime.
We should repent, continually! Our lives should be ones marked by repentance.
Our faith in Christ's sacrifice justifies us JM. And no, faith is NOT a work of righteousness. 10 books of the NT contrast faith and works, if they were the same those chapters and verses would be absolutely meaningless.
I never said "we never actually achieve repentance in this lifetime". Re-read what I said.
You are making me out as having said things which I did not, which is what you do all the time because you don't want to deal with what I actually do say.
That potentially is the most ironic statement I have ever read or heard JM. I'm constantly complaining that you straw man what I say and believe. But whatever, I've come to realize ATS is like a parallel universe where truth is lies, good is actually evil, up is really down, and the truth is all false.
Jesus' sacrifice is what gives us the opportunity to have a judgement by doing away with the Old Covenant and instituting the New Covenant, where some will be able to receive a positive verdict (justified).
Bull****, we are justified freely by God's grace based on the completed work of Christ. He bore our sins on the cross.
Faith which comes from God is the guiding influence on us to gain the righteousness required to get that positive verdict.
Nonsense, we are gifted Christ's righteousness, He took our sins and in exchange gives us His righteousness. It's what "imputation" means.
Faith is the substitute for the Law, where the old system had the law by which you would seek justification and the new system has faith by which you can seek justification.
Ever read Galatians? Paul states that man has always been justified by faith and gives Abraham as the example who was justified 530 years before the law was given to Moses.
Faith is not just an intellectual assent to the Gospel. There is another word which would mean that, which is, belief.
Correct, the synonym for "faith" is "trust", I place my trust in Christ that His sacrifice was a completed work for my justification.
I'm kind of stuck at the question of whether people even need to do that. I think once someone gets beyond that point, then the rest sort of it comes naturally. People seem to generally fall into a complacency, thinking they have already done enough just to listen to something being said by someone else and giving it a nod.
. . how to move closer to God. . .
Originally posted by jeramie
John 21:15-17(KJV)
15So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.
16He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
17He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.