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Originally posted by macman
Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
reply to post by Becoming
The Right wing in America detests Global Law and the ICC because it flies in their face of 'american exceptional ism.' And that is EXACTLY the point of this pres release. TO emphasize that struggle between those two opposing forces. Not all will understand, on either 'side'.
Um, no. It goes against the US being a Sovereign Nation.
I am not a citizen of the world, I am a citizen of the US.
Originally posted by macman
Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
reply to post by Becoming
The Right wing in America detests Global Law and the ICC because it flies in their face of 'american exceptional ism.' And that is EXACTLY the point of this pres release. TO emphasize that struggle between those two opposing forces. Not all will understand, on either 'side'.
Um, no. It goes against the US being a Sovereign Nation.
I am not a citizen of the world, I am a citizen of the US.
Originally posted by Becoming
Or you could ignore it and keep with the blame bush for everything mantra.
Originally posted by macman
reply to post by wcitizen
Oh give me a break.
We are still a Sovereign Nation.
We don't need the one world crap pitched, or any outsiders thank you.
And before anyone gets started, I think the US needs to stop telling what to do as well.
The chief U.S. prosecutor at the Nuremberg trials, U.S. Supreme Court Justice, Robert Jackson, described such war as “the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.” Thus, the seriousness of the international law violation that such a war would entail would exceed the seriousness of the Iraqi violations that the Bush administration has cited to justify it. Such a war would also symbolize the complete reversal of official U.S. policy toward international law since World War II.
Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
OP, the link works fine for me. Here: tv.globalresearch.ca...
I see it's in Surrey BC in OCtober. I will likley be pretty close to there. Send me a U2U around then and I'll go take pics!
Originally posted by macman
reply to post by wcitizen
Oh give me a break.
We are still a Sovereign Nation.
We don't need the one world crap pitched, or any outsiders thank you.
And before anyone gets started, I think the US needs to stop telling what to do as well.
So, does being a 'sovereign nation', mean invading other countries in DIRECT DEFIANCE of intentional rules is totally acceptable, in your opinion? Because that was the Bush Admin's reasoning.
There is a difference between the idea of sovereignty within a nation, and its actions outside it's borders. This protests is about highlighting Bush's 'actions' outside US borders, where 'sovereignty' is no defense.
The chief U.S. prosecutor at the Nuremberg trials, U.S. Supreme Court Justice, Robert Jackson, described such war as “the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.” Thus, the seriousness of the international law violation that such a war would entail would exceed the seriousness of the Iraqi violations that the Bush administration has cited to justify it. Such a war would also symbolize the complete reversal of official U.S. policy toward international law since World War II.
www.wagingpeace.org...
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Originally posted by macman
reply to post by wcitizen
Oh give me a break.
We are still a Sovereign Nation.
We don't need the one world crap pitched, or any outsiders thank you.
And before anyone gets started, I think the US needs to stop telling others what to do as well.
edit on 23-5-2011 by macman because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by macman
reply to post by wcitizen
Yeah, it's all the fault of Bush and the US
Sure sure.
Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
Originally posted by macman
reply to post by wcitizen
Yeah, it's all the fault of Bush and the US
Sure sure.
A straw man with four eye-rolling smileys is still a straw man. That hasn't been postulated. Yes, the Bush Admin. certainly played a key roll in the US invasion of Iraq (obviously), but other nations with a vested interest in the same goals, like the UK, played along fine. And a few other bootlicking nations jumped in.
Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
Originally posted by macman
reply to post by wcitizen
Yeah, it's all the fault of Bush and the US
Sure sure.
A straw man with four eye-rolling smileys is still a straw man. That hasn't been postulated. Yes, the Bush Admin. certainly played a key roll in the US invasion of Iraq (obviously), but other nations with a vested interest in the same goals, like the UK, played along fine. And a few other bootlicking nations jumped in.
Originally posted by macman
reply to post by wcitizen
What truth?
The fact that almost every Canadian here thinks they have a say in US policies?
Or that people in Europe think the same?
Yet both have enough issues on their home soil to keep them busy, yet preach how the US needs to change and not force their policies outside the US, but that is one in the same huh?
You bashing the US not to go out and force ideas, yet you are doing the same right now.
The US is a Sovereign Nation. If you want to buy into the Worldy Citizen crap, then go ahead. I don't care.
Don't preach that I, or other like me need to change, just because you say so.
I think the US needs to get out of the ME and Africa and let the people hash out their issues.
I think if you want to go after Bush, go ahead. There is better use of your time, but it's your time, not mine.
If you go after Bush, got after Daddy, Carter and Obama. Don't just cherry pick one because it is politically convenient to do so.
Originally posted by wcitizen
Originally posted by macman
reply to post by wcitizen
What truth?
The fact that almost every Canadian here thinks they have a say in US policies?
Or that people in Europe think the same?
Yet both have enough issues on their home soil to keep them busy, yet preach how the US needs to change and not force their policies outside the US, but that is one in the same huh?
You bashing the US not to go out and force ideas, yet you are doing the same right now.
The US is a Sovereign Nation. If you want to buy into the Worldy Citizen crap, then go ahead. I don't care.
Don't preach that I, or other like me need to change, just because you say so.
I think the US needs to get out of the ME and Africa and let the people hash out their issues.
I think if you want to go after Bush, go ahead. There is better use of your time, but it's your time, not mine.
If you go after Bush, got after Daddy, Carter and Obama. Don't just cherry pick one because it is politically convenient to do so.
I have no idea at all what you mean by 'it's politically convenient'.
Originally posted by wcitizen
reply to post by macman
I see you chose not to answer my question when I asked you to explain in what real sense USA is a sovreign country.
Here, let me help you.
The United States is a Corporation. Two constitutions.
www.youtube.com...
edit on 23-5-2011 by wcitizen because: (no reason given)