Former Colin Powell Chief of Staff: Bush didn't want to get bin Laden

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
how many of us eat at restaurants where the person who brings our water or rolls is likely not documented,

Just a question. Why would you assume they are likely not documented? Because of the way they look? There is no way to tell if someone is documented or not unless you see their papers.

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."
--MLK

So I'm still a little confused as to how its LIKELY they are undocumented unless you saw their papers. Why can't they be given the benefit of the doubt like every other American...born or naturalized?

I agree with Hemisphere, I think Bin Laden was not involved in 911 but accepted the blame. What exact evidence do we have linking him with any of this? The pilots and the men on the planes, weren't most of them Saudis with fake passports? How did East Germany figure in this, wasn't that where the money was?
I do not see Bin Laden involved in this at all. The govt loves to blame him. Geo Bush Jr knew he wasn't involved and therefore did not see fit to kill him.
Can anyone fill in the connections? Our govt tells us nothing but false information.

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You're making it sound as if Bush called the Commander at Tora-Bora and said, "Let Bin-Laden escape. Do NOT caputere or kill him!". I don't think that's likely. Our military isn't perfect. It's made up of human beings. Mistakes happen all the time.
-cwm

Some guy from where I live is pretty well off and funded his own trips to Afghanistan to hunt Bin Laden in the mountains on his own, with a 30-30 hunting rifle. Something tells me he knew all about the lack of diligence.

Oh excuse me!!!!! Who did Colin Powell run to when he announced his candidacy??? I don't believe for one second it was about Bush. Colin ran for the Hope and Change Marxist Manchurian candidate and I would never trust a word he says since. He blew his cover as far as I'm concerned. These guys are all CFR operatives. Every sec of Defense since Eisenhower is CFR and everything is planned from there.

Originally posted by LosLobos

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
how many of us eat at restaurants where the person who brings our water or rolls is likely not documented,

Just a question. Why would you assume they are likely not documented? Because of the way they look? There is no way to tell if someone is documented or not unless you see their papers.

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."
--MLK

So I'm still a little confused as to how its LIKELY they are undocumented unless you saw their papers. Why can't they be given the benefit of the doubt like every other American...born or naturalized?

Since when is "undocumented" a matter of skin color? Some people just have to make it a race issue. For the record, many from North Africa consider themselves caucasian. It would be easy for them to go to Mexico and then go in thru the Southern border. The undocumented come in all forms.

Amazing how every one jumped on here believing the CFR operative Colin Powell really wanted to get Bin Ladin but couldn't do it because Bush was in bed with the Saudis. I've heard about the Carlyle Group too, and the Bush family supported Hitler too, but that doesn't change things for me where Powell is concerned. He went for the one he thought would win the Presidency, which is the one TPTB wanted to win.

How convenient for him to come out now and out bush this way, after putting support to a Marxist whose goal is clearly along the lines of Cloward/Piven with the intent to destroy our country and fundamentally change it from the way we know it. That is, they are deliberately trying to turn it into a European style socialist State. This is just too disgusting for words.
At least Condi Rice had the fortitude and class to keep her mouth shut.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Since when is "undocumented" a matter of skin color? .

I never heard of anyone asking Bush if he was documented. Or Clinton. Or Bush 1. Or Reagan. Or the others all the way back to 1776.

But let me ask you a question. Since when does working at a restaurant mean you are LIKELY not documented? The person I was responding to claims the places he eats are LIKELY harboring undocumented people. I'm just trying to determine how he came to the conclusion without seeing their papers.

I eat at TGIF once or twice a month. I never wonder if those people are documented or not. Do you?

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
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You think it's possible that the entire membership of the bipartisan Senate Armed Services Committee and the bipartisan Senate Select Committee on Intelligence will be bought off by a Democratic president who the Republicans have been trying to discount for his entire presidency?

I don't think so. If Inhofe could bring Obama down, he would. And he says the pictures are real, they're OBL, and he's dead. www.abovetopsecret.com...

No not a democratic or republican president could buy them off but some friendly golf club and tennis vacation loving members of the Corporate Lobbyist brigade sure could.

When you consider the trillions spent on defense and how important these fictions are too keeping that money rolling, there is more than one way to prep the beach.

No the President wouldn't function as a bagman, but the corporate lobbyists sure could in advance of the private disclosure.

All these lawmakers regardless of their party are deeply tied to the Military Industrial Complex.

In fact Eisenhower's original unedited text of the famous "Fairwell to America" speech didn't warn about the Military Industrial Complex, but the CONGRESSIONAL Military Industrial Complex.

Advisors begged him to edit the Congressional part out so it wouldn't be so incindiary.

Truth be told.

Thanks my friend.

edit on 12/5/11 by ProtoplasmicTraveler because: What criteria do you think is used for selecting who is shown photos or not, could it be from a lobbyists report based on who they feel is likely to being agreeable to such a process. We know people like Dennis Kucinich of the Democrats and Ron Paul of the Republicans would never endorse selective disclosure so are congress members who are predisposed to supporting limited disclosure targeted and 'selected'

The Congressional Military Industrial Complex? I gotta see the original text.But,Ike is right.Only now it's now a Congressional/Military/Security/Industrial Complex,it has mutated into something even more foul and terrible then Eisenhower ever imagined.

Originally posted by LosLobos

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
how many of us eat at restaurants where the person who brings our water or rolls is likely not documented,

Just a question. Why would you assume they are likely not documented? Because of the way they look? There is no way to tell if someone is documented or not unless you see their papers.

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."
--MLK

So I'm still a little confused as to how its LIKELY they are undocumented unless you saw their papers. Why can't they be given the benefit of the doubt like every other American...born or naturalized?

It's not about race, color or complexion at all. If you follow any of Proto's threads you might also realize that race is not part of his deal at all. This is about reality. I for one actually hold conversations with the people that bus my table in restaurants, pump my gas, wash my car, etc. I've had most of those jobs early on and so appreciate the efforts of people in those positions no matter their genetic make-up. I find by making an effort to talk to people that others ignore I learn a lot. I'm not digging for information but often you get information as a bi-product of common courtesy. And some people want to confide their plight as dangerous as that might seem. I don't ask to see "people's papers". I simply say "Hi, how are you?" You'd be surprised what some people will tell you. Nobody's ever confided anything truly sinister but simply "undocumented" or words to that effect, that's nothin' nowadays. "I'm working here 'till I get my papers." Most people want to live in the open.

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So I'm still a little confused as to how its LIKELY they are undocumented unless you saw their papers. Why can't they be given the benefit of the doubt like every other American...born or naturalized?

It is the honesty of the corporations involved that is in doubt. They are the bad actors here. There are documented cases of corporations hiring illegal and sometimes legal aliens and treating them as slaves.

I can not find the link, but there was a recent case of a US corporation brining in workers from India and literally making them slaves. They lived in a compound on corporate property and were locked in for the night. One managed to escape and make it to a church. The pastor investigated and brought "the wrath of God" down on the corporation.

For illegals the prison is psychological. Fear of deportation keeps them from reporting abuses by the corporation.

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The Congressional Military Industrial Complex? I gotta see the original text.But,Ike is right.Only now it's now a Congressional/Military/Security/Industrial Complex,it has mutated into something even more foul and terrible then Eisenhower ever imagined.

"IT" has been around since the 1800's at least. It is just that "IT" has managed to finally just about suck the USA dry now that makes people wake-up and see the Wolf under the Sheepskin