Norway Calls for Palestinian State, Gives Diplomatic Mission Embassy Rank

Norway Calls for Palestinian State, Gives Diplomatic Mission Embassy Rank

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Norway upgraded the Palestinian diplomatic mission in the country to an embassy and called for the creation of a Palestinian state in 2011.

“We should all cling to the vision of 2011 being the year where we can see a new state on the world stage: a Palestinian state,” Norwegian Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Stoere said at a press conference in Oslo today.

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The second EU country to recognize Palestine, and it seems the Zionists are pissed off because nothing is going according to their way any more except US:


Israel condemns Norway's upgrade of Palestinian standing in Oslo to 'diplomatic delegation'

Palestine will get an embassy in Norway

Palestinians get embassy in Oslo

Norway’s Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Støre has announced that Palestine is to get its own embassy in Oslo.

Some argued that France recognizing Palestine won't change anything, this is evident that it will.

US proxy states in EU won't change their views until US collapses, when US collapses Israel will collapse.

Anyways

What are your takes on this?

Thoughts

oz

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I wonder if Israel is making a hit-list of all the countries now recognizing Palestine. It's either a ploy or the EU truly fears there could be a power shift in the wake of the U.S. collapse. Iran becomes the dominant power in the Middle East. It annexes the Shiite part of Iraq and has the Saudi royal family slaughtered. It gives Palestine its own state and gets rid of Israel. China and Russia become 1 and 2 in term of global power - wait, this'll never happen!!! You can bet the EU, Israel, Arabia and the U.S. are working to make sure if the U.S. falls, then the power shifts to someone on their side.

Originally posted by DevilJin
I wonder if Israel is making a hit-list of all the countries now recognizing Palestine. It's either a ploy or the EU truly fears there could be a power shift in the wake of the U.S. collapse. Iran becomes the dominant power in the Middle East. It annexes the Shiite part of Iraq and has the Saudi royal family slaughtered. It gives Palestine its own state and gets rid of Israel. China and Russia become 1 and 2 in term of global power - wait, this'll never happen!!! You can bet the EU, Israel, Arabia and the U.S. are working to make sure if the U.S. falls, then the power shifts to someone on their side.

India, they are already working on it.

I have two threads on it, how China, Pakistan, Iran and other rising powers are pressuring India to change sides, to join the regional powers rather than US.

India is tempted.

US thinks that the regional powers will allow India to complete the transfer, but that won't happen because China and Pakistan is pressuring it from two sides.

The Kashmiri situation is coming back to spot light for a reason:

Front Page Al Jazeera

Abuse 'widespread' in Kashmir jails

And

US puppet regimes in the Arab world can't survive one week without US, trust me, the Arab people hate them as much as US.

Why do you think they resort to torture, mass arrest and dictatorship to keep their populations at check>? Because Arabs will always choose Hamas like governments over the fat puppets who are in power now.

I've made my feelings known on this topic and that is the Commonwealth should continue to process Palestine's application to Join..

The Commonwealth Heads of State have already accepted Palestine as a nation (1997) and as a potential member (1997) this would give Palestine not only a framework of governence, but support from nearly 2 billion people (2 out of 3 are amongst the poorest in the world) and access to that economic market.

Plus it would be nice to see Palestinians competing on the sports field (Commonwealth Games) that is my opinion and what I would like to see happen. an approach that I feel would negate fears that whoever helps Palestine suddenly becomes the other sides enemy.

Originally posted by oozyism
The second EU country to recognize Palestine

Norway is not in the European Union.

That is all I really have to add to this discussion.

Originally posted by PETROLCOIN

Originally posted by oozyism
The second EU country to recognize Palestine

Norway is not in the European Union.

That is all I really have to add to this discussion.

Thanks for the fix

Norway is the second European country to recognize Palestine.

i don't really see europe starting to switch sides really, maybe just clearly showing its desire to remain neutral in middle east affairs, true neutrality that is, by legitimatly recognizing a palestinian state.

with this whole wikileaks thing it's expected of western governments to do some PR campaigns and do some damage control. by doing "nice" things they should have done, like... decades ago?

public images are kind of shaky, so let's be nice to the Palestinians this week.

for now it's just politics.

an embassy in Oslo one of these days won't do much for people in Gaza now

Originally posted by oozyism
The second EU country to recognize Palestine, and it seems the Zionists are pissed off because nothing is going according to their way any more except US:

Of course you would be mad to when everything you worked for in the past 100 years is collapsing around you as well.

Also Norway is not part of the European Union, it is part of NATO however.

Israel condemns Norway's upgrade of Palestinian standing in Oslo to 'diplomatic delegation'

Palestine will get an embassy in Norway

Palestinians get embassy in Oslo

Norway’s Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Støre has announced that Palestine is to get its own embassy in Oslo.

In reality this does not surprise me at all. Norway is known for their Socialist Party's being strongly in favor of Palestinian liberation.

Some argued that France recognizing Palestine won't change anything, this is evident that it will.

Well it took long enough. How long do Palestinians have to be oppressed before others begin to wake up?

US proxy states in EU won't change their views until US collapses, when US collapses Israel will collapse.

This is what completely turns me off from your threads. It is one thing to not like the United States and that is your opinion, but to want a nation of 310 million people to collapse would create a humanitarian crisis far greater than anything happening in the Middle East. Those are simply reckless, careless, and views that are the extreme other end of where you claim you are on the humanitarian scale.

Anyways

What are your takes on this?

Thoughts

oz

I think this is a great thing for the people of Palestine and the entire Middle East. Norway is doing what it believes is best with no regard for any possible condemnation. A nation thinking for itself makes me happy.

Let us all celebrate with beer and pork! Oh wait...

To the poster above: I don't think he is openly calling for a collapse of the US - nobody human could be that cruel as to wish suffering on 310,000,000 people. I do have to say though that it is still a possibility. In which case I shall join the Red Cross and bring aid to you.

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Trust me I know oozyism. He is hoping that the United States collapses, well he likes to call it a 'prediction'. He fails to see the effect it would have on the people of this country and all around the world. I mean if the US collapses then who will send all that food to Africa and Saudi Arabia? We export a lot of food and that will be shut down. Add to that it would be a humanitarian crisis here in the states as well.

Oozyism is so eager for the US to collapse so we cannot bother the world any more but I guess the result of mass starvation and death completely slips his mind.

reply to post by AnotherYOU


I dont think that claiming that having an officialy recognised embassy will do nothing for the people in Gaza is particularly farsighted of you.
With this embassy functioning, Palestine will find it much easier to organise international support, make thier case in other nations, will have a solid ground from which to lobby , and crucialy will have some form of diplomatic immunity I assume, with regard to thier dignitaries. This keeps an established line (albeit one that is frequently crossed) between the clandestine agents of Israel, and those dignitaries , meaning that Palestine in theory has greater ability to show its woes, and its needs to the outside world than it previously had, and that is no small advantage, and will in time to come be a very real benifit to those Palestinians who are under a veil of fear and constant threat.

reply to post by Misoir

This is what completely turns me off from your threads. It is one thing to not like the United States and that is your opinion, but to want a nation of 310 million people to collapse would create a humanitarian crisis far greater than anything happening in the Middle East. Those are simply reckless, careless, and views that are the extreme other end of where you claim you are on the humanitarian scale.

Sorry mate, I'm not wishing for US to collapse, but it is evident that it will.

When it does collapse I'm not at fault, I only see the world as it is, I don't wish for no suffering of innocent people.

I call for change.

Do you think US won't collapse by the way it is conducting its business?

It is up to Americans to save their country from a collapse, I'm only the warner.

People who warned USSR would collapse didn't wish for USSR to collapse.

reply to post by TrueBrit


i wasn't speculating on the near future. all im saying is i don't see nothing significative being done NOW.

palestinians need more food, medical supplies, roofs over their heads than embassies.

priority is the people, not politics, don't get that confused.

reply to post by oozyism


Russia is still around and has the second most powerful military earth. The collapse of the USSR didn't change much, except for brief period in the 90s before Putin took power.

A US collapse will be more like the Weimar Republic, no Balkanization, just hyperinflation and massive political turbulence, similar to post Soviet Russia. Maybe we will get some tanks shooting into the Capitol Building like Russia did back in its turmoil.

When our economy goes down, we will rise from the ashes with either our own Putin or worse our own Hitler. Regardless Russia didn't go anywhere and we are not going anywhere.

Originally posted by AnotherYOU
reply to post by TrueBrit

 

i wasn't speculating on the near future. all im saying is i don't see nothing significative being done NOW.

palestinians need more food, medical supplies, roofs over their heads than embassies.

priority is the people, not politics, don't get that confused.

They need an independent nation in order to do that.

With independent nation comes a defense system which will allow Palestinians to properly defend themselves using real weapons, rather than "home made fire works".

Israel controls Palestine's imports, exports, airspace, borders, practically everything.

They continue to expand Israeli settlements inside their land, they can't do anything to stop it.

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
reply to post by oozyism

 

Russia is still around and has the second most powerful military earth. The collapse of the USSR didn't change much, except for brief period in the 90s before Putin took power.

A US collapse will be more like the Weimar Republic, no Balkanization, just hyperinflation and massive political turbulence, similar to post Soviet Russia. Maybe we will get some tanks shooting into the Capitol Building like Russia did back in its turmoil.

When our economy goes down, we will rise from the ashes with either own Putin or worse our own Hitler. Regardless Russia didn't go anywhere and we are not going anywhere.

Yeah, collapse doesn't mean you go anywhere.

England is still here, but not as it was.

USSR is still here, but not as it was.

USA will be here, but not as it was.

It won't be a world power. It will loose territory, the territory in the Middle East, East Asia, and other part of the world where it is trying hard to hold a grip to power.

USA will also probably change its name.

Capitalism will fall also I suspect.

I have always believed that it will result in the States becoming individual countries.

reply to post by AnotherYOU


An unfortunate, yet inescapable fact of life on this planet, is that at this time the needs of which you speak can only be met in a sustainable and consistant manner, by the efforts of diplomacy .
We have seen what happens when moraly justified activists go ahead and do for themselves what seems not to be done by politics. They get a boat, fill it with food aid and medical supplies, and then get boarded by Israeli soldiers and shot to living hell. Those who survive get arrested, divested of thier passports, and then deported to thier point of origin.
This also does NOTHING to help those in Gaza. The boat doesnt arrive at its intended destination, the aid doesnt get supplied, the people see no benifit, just the evidence of support. This embassy at least provides a constant feature of international support, rather than the fleeting, though heartwarming actions of a rare few, every now and again. This embassy also , unlike the flotila of aid boats, has the potential to actualy make a difference at some point to the lives of Palestinians, where as the Gaza bound aid boats that were raided, had almost no hope whatever of carrying out thier short term goals, and virtualy no hope of being anything other than a symbolism, which though helpful had no real chance to actualy change the lot of the people there.
This embassy cannot be raided by Israeli marines without serious international consequence, and also cannot have terms dictated to it at the point of a gun, and can continue its work for as long as it takes to secure support for, and positive change in Gaza and Palestine as a whole, something which almost NO current method, activism, or protest is capable of. As such it represents a very positive note in an otherwise dismal situation, and improvement on the horizon. Hoping for more is asking for dissapointment, and rather than roaring your fustration at the lack of pace with which the situation is being resolved, you might want to throw your support behind those projects which come out of this embassy, and get on your political representatives case, asking them to back the Palestinians, and thier new found embassy. It is only political manouvre which will ever see an end to the misery . Put your wieght against it , and it will move all the faster.

Originally posted by dylandalek
I have always believed that it will result in the States becoming individual countries.

That is one possibility, if each state aligns itself with foreign super powers.

Without that alignment, the central government will be able to squash any call for independence.

But

It is a different story regarding Middle East and other world wide countries where US puppets are installed, where basically US is the Ayatollah.

The worst case scenario is a civil war. In the brink of chaos brought due to chaos, foreign powers could support internal US extremists and stir trouble, increase trouble, then cause a civil war. That civil war could destroy the US and cause it to vanish from the face of this earth, where different states would have Chinese puppets, Russia puppets, worst of worst Iranian puppets.

The above the worst case scenario.