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Originally posted by Advantage
reply to post by Valdestine
Nope.. not anymore. There is a segment of people who ARE acting as spokesmen and organizers for "anonymous".. your game has changed.. and its been changed from the inside. People will ALWAYS use things in manners that not everyone agrees upon. You lost your argument about how anon "really is" when a manifesto was crafted and spokesman went on TV and claimed to be a representative.
WHo's responsible for the change in what anon "really is"... was... who knows. Of course govt ops are being spewed on several websites and all kinds of weird ideas.. but the fact is that Anon has changed overnight and to operate as if it were the same is pretty foolhardy.
Originally posted by aivlas
reply to post by Valdestine
Anon is everybody as you say, this is a story about anon trying to find out who the jester is, that interview was with a proclaimed member of anon. These show what the people who hide behind the word anon do. If thats discrediting to what the mass of anon want then they need to sort out the structure of the movement.
If people want to follow the leaders of this raid because they support wikileaks fine by me, but they should be allowed to see what some of your members do (Your a group of people who are working together for the same goal using the same app and the same modes of communication, your a group)
I recognize that "Anonymous" isn't an organization or even a group -- it's a "meme," which is to say, some people put out a call to action, and others take them up on it (or don't), and that is how "Anonymous" makes its decision. But many of us understand "Anonymous" to mean "that subset of /b/ readers and others who are, at this moment, participating in one action or another." It's tedious to have to write out this full epithet, and what's more, it's not as if Anonymous is the first phenomenon to be loosely structured -- after all, the "peace movement" or "environmental movement" had lots of different members who dissented on strategy, tactics, goals and commitments, and undertook many actions with support of different levels and intensity (including provocateurs, fellow travellers, and bystanders who got swept up along the way). But there was and is a "peace movement" and an "environmental movement" and it's not inaccurate to say, "Environmentalists oppose such-and-such," because anyone who has paid any attention knows that this means, "some environmentalists oppose such-and-such, others don't, some have no opinion, and there are no formal membership requirements for the 'environmental movement'." I can't see any point in the pedantic nitpicking about whether anyone can meaningfully discuss "Anonymous." There are people who sometimes call themselves Anonymous. They come together to do stuff, sometimes. Insisting on this formulation "Some anonymous people who have answered an anonymous call to action and are presently operating under the Anonymous banner," every time someone mentions Anonymous is just dumb.
Originally posted by aivlas
reply to post by Mak Manto
Maybe or they are the normal kind of threads that show up on ats about any subject. The thread you are talking about may be off on what anon is, but people who are following anon in these attacks are on ats so the thread isn't completely wrong.
Quote in my last post explains it well I think.edit on 11-12-2010 by aivlas because: (no reason given)
What is Anonymous?
'Anonymous' describes itself as an 'internet gathering'. The term is used to describe a leaderless collective of people who come together online, commonly to stage a protest.
The groups vary in size and make-up depending on the cause. Members often identify themselves in web videos by wearing the Guy Fawkes masks popularised by the book and film V for Vendetta.
Its protests often take the form of disrupting websites and services.
Its use of the term Anonymous comes from a series of websites frequented by members, such as the anarchic image board 4Chan.
These allow users to post without having to register or provide a name. As a result, their comments are tagged "Anonymous".
In the past, groups have staged high-profile protests against plans by the Australian government to filter the internet and the Church of Scientology.
The latter spilled over into the real world with protests by masked members outside churches. An offshoot of Anonymous called Project Chanology focuses purely on this cause.
Many Anonymous protests tackle issues of free speech and preserving the openness of the net.
When you write certain blog posts, you expect to receive a lot of comments from the Intertubes. If you can imagine a social mixer between a special ed school and the local insane asylum, you might have the physical equivalent of a blog’s comment area for certain posts. So I was a little surprised when PDF security guru Didier Stevens walked into the room and made a relevant observation about the PDF’s metadata. His comment: the PDF’s raw creation date further points to the Anonymous Press Release from yesterday being created in Greece, which happens to be the homeland of a graphic artist with the same name as the pdf’s author field, Alex Tapanaris.
Originally posted by Mak Manto
reply to post by aivlas
I don't think a lot of this site does understand what Anonymous truly is...
I've seen a lot of threads being posted up by other members believing that Anonymous is a person who's on ATS, or are a group of people.
I think many are confused.
Originally posted by RelentlessLurker
reply to post by Killface
then for the sake of argument. you wouldnt mind me showing up at your house and going through all your mail?
Originally posted by Killface
This is insane, when somebody stands up for the side you are supposedly on, you label them as the enemy. I have said it before, and I will say it again:
Originally posted by Killface
Who cares if a certain person or group has the wrong motives, if the message they are sending is the right one?