London student 'struck by truncheon' has brain injury

reply to post by detachedindividual


Well thanks for identifying yourself when I said don't bother....if this was happening on the news where you could see they were getting blocked in on purpose and trampled I would suspect this will come up in the news and I have plenty of patience to wait for this groundbreaking news. Please don't suggest that the media will cover this up as this type of news reporting is gold for them and I appriciate your genuiness in your response. I'm sure you can fine the footage that you speak of where the so called innocent kids were sent into a killbox. Links are everything and eyewitness accounts don't account for much on here...not trying to be a d-bag with that statement...

Also remember that the government is paying for some of the tuition so they should be on the hook forever? This is the problem with handouts everyone expects more...Can i ask when the last time a student has seen any moderate increase in tuition and I naturally request a link with any evidence to support this.

thanks,

Not trying to get off of the subject but did the police ever hear of Tear Gas...pepper spray etc or even water???? I bet if you hose the kids down in the cold that would probably be more effective than the pepper spray or tear gas..

reply to post by chrismarco


I don't care if you want me to identify myself or not, I'm not likely to follow the orders of someone like you, am I?

It has been stated several times by the NUS, and it has actually been stated since on SKY News that students were told to go to that area to leave, and that then they were denied. The Police then stated that this was due to violence.
As has been seen on the footage, there was no violence there until the Police blocked their path and refused to allow them to exit. Then they argued, and rightly so. Then the Police lost their minds.

THIS IS ALL ON CAMERA!
Are you going to suggest that I somehow manipulated the live feeds from London or something?

And no, I don't spend my days recording live TV to try to convince idiots on the internet that reality did actually happen

And your comments on the entire fee/socialist argument are proving that you actually know less than you are making out.
These students protesting WILL NOT BENEFIT OR LOOSE OUT. They are protesting because they know that this system will create a two-tier educational system where the elites who can afford it are secured a well-paid job and those who can't will never reach their potential.
The fee rise will not affect the vast majority of those protesting, it will affect their brothers and sisters, and probably their own kids too.

Every generation see's these examples of those in power trying to limit the social mobility of the lower classes. This is simply an example of that.

And trying to make out that these protesters are somehow not tax-paying citizens is really lame. They pay higher fuel costs, travel expenses, inflation, council tax, water rates, National Insurance, Income Tax... What, you think they are somehow a different breed of citizen?

Get a grip.

People suggesting these students have had it too easy are brain-dead. These are your fellow citizens, and they deserve every right that you cling to. Just because they are protesting, and then having to defend themselves against charging horses and batons does not make you in any way superior to them.

reply to post by detachedindividual

It makes me utterly incensed that history is being rewritten by the corporate scum media and the corrupt police at the behest of our corrupt government. You and I both know what happened. We know it was planned and executed deliberately in an effort to discredit the protesters as violent thugs. And I find it disgusting that so many who are supposedly in their position to "protect" the public simply accept this.

Nice to see someone who understands how it works. A few years ago, there was this staged media event in the US where this supposedly Nazi group were going to have some sort of demonstration in a supposedly black part of a town. Somebody had bused in some rent-an-anarchist posers to go around breaking things. Here was this guy who obviously was a white dude in black make-up and of course the tv commentators were calling them black people.

reply to post by detachedindividual


seriously? take off the rose tinted glasses. you dont like the met, we get it. but you have just completely fabricated a version of events to fit in with your own ideology.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by detachedindividual

 

It makes me utterly incensed that history is being rewritten by the corporate scum media and the corrupt police at the behest of our corrupt government. You and I both know what happened. We know it was planned and executed deliberately in an effort to discredit the protesters as violent thugs. And I find it disgusting that so many who are supposedly in their position to "protect" the public simply accept this.

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And once again ATS has to suffer another load of bollocks. Poor, poor innocent protestor's (laughs out loud), A large amount of wanky students who want money without working for go on the street demanding even more than their getting now, There is'nt any money!! Why should these bastards get what the even the NHS doesnt recieve, i dont see 4000 nurses and doctors rampaging through the streets of England.

What happened was a disgraceful episode, again, in British history.
These bastards who contribute nothing to society and live of the state with the same old lie about "im studying to be a surgeon", and meanwhile spend government grants on pot and lager deserve what they get.

Students havnt changed in nearly thirty years . they're still tossers - just like Rick!!


If you was a copper with a wife and kids at home and some bastard starts throwing bricks, fire extinguishers etc at you, what would you do?

Theres a huge group of #ing Ghandi's (those that really believe there can be a peaceful protest involving students) here on ATS, who see nothing but poor students suffering at the hands of nazi led police.
What happened to the protester was a direct result of what was done to the police. It's called "CAUSE AND EFFECT".
Let him suffer the consequences. I just hope the PC involved does'nt loose his job over this..

The Government will never listen to a peaceful protest. The protesters could gather in there 100,000s and protest peacefully the government wouldn't listen.

Unfortunately the only way the government would listen to the public is through violent protests and even then the body count would have to build up before the government take a step back and say... "Ok we are here to serve the public, the public dont want raised tuition fees, there is mass rioting in the streets people are dying, lets not raise the tuition fees". "Lets save money by oh i dont know stopping fighting illegal wars in the middle east".

I dont blame the police for using the tatics they were using, i watched the riots on bbc news all afternoon and they were getting hailed with rocks and flares and paint bombs, its not the polices fault they just do a job, its the Governments fault.

The students wanted to have their voices heard, and unfortunately new that their voices would be completely ignored through a peaceful protest.

reply to post by lewman


There's so much I could say about this in the defence of the brave Police Officers but a few others have been quite eloquent and kind of said it all. The anarchists need to be controlled and if that takes a baton to the head then so be it. If the anarchists don't like it then go to China, North Korea or most other countries and try to recreate the behaviour we saw in London - then you'll see what Police brutality is. The poor little lovelies would soon come crawling back to the UK and be thankful for how tolerant we are here. That's if they hadn't been shot, beaten to death or thrown into prison.
I notice that the people who are anti Police are the types who 'hang around with the wrong crowd' and commit crime etc. Then, when they get caught and dealt with for committing those crimes, the Police are the bad guys? Get real and grow up.

Originally posted by RandalFlagg
The Government will never listen to a peaceful protest. The protesters could gather in there 100,000s and protest peacefully the government wouldn't listen.[/quote]

That would be because the students have never tried to have a peaceful protest.

Unfortunately the only way the government would listen to the public is through violent protests and even then the body count would have to build up before the government take a step back and say... "Ok we are here to serve the public, the public dont want raised tuition fees, there is mass rioting in the streets people are dying, lets not raise the tuition fees". "Lets save money by oh i dont know stopping fighting illegal wars in the middle east".

For years the students have been given money for nothing. The governments finally pulled the plug on decades of wasted money. Everyone knows the students have lived off the state under false pretextes for years while the British tax payer has carried the burden of generations who have spent years in universiry doing nothing but drinking and smoking that away, and at the end not even finishing the course and then straight on the dole..

I dont blame the police for using the tatics they were using, i watched the riots on bbc news all afternoon they were getting hailed with rocks and flares and paint bombs, its not the polices fault they just do a job, its the Governments fault.

Then you must understand the polices reaction. The STUDENTS not the government are at fault here. Nobody obliged them to hurl obejcts at the police. They throw the stone and then hide the hand that throws it..very adult.

The students wanted to have their voices heard, and unfortunately knew that their voices would be completely ignored through a peaceful protest.

So damaging shops, monuments and trying to kill police is the correct manner to put across yout point of view..?? Their actions cannot be excused.
Their actions where morally and criminally wrong. How do they expect to be taken seriously by the public who pay taxes to support them.
I have no sympathy for the youth involved, nor for his family. England has to get back on its feet and while a minority of this generation behave themselves shamefully and refuse to contribute anything to society, England as a nation will remain in decline.

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Lucky these students weren't protesting in the U.S. You have a peaceful (I said *peaceful*, mind you) protest here, and cops will come out with riot gear and tear gas. He'd probably be dead from being shot by a rubber bullet over here.

reply to post by RandalFlagg

Unfortunately the only way the government would listen to the public is through. . .

Unfortunately, there is no government.
There is only an appearance of a government, there just for show, so that the people believe they somehow have some sort of representation. In the US, voting is a contribution to the illusion, so you have a little part in the play. Of course none of it is real and makes any difference because there is a company that owns all the electronic voting machines and they don't let anyone know how they come up with the results. They just phone in the results and it is not allowed to be questioned. So the politicians act with impunity with no regard to the wishes of the constituency. Changeover takes place to a limited degree to give the appearance that people get voted out but it is predetermined by the people who really run things and is part of their internal system of rewards and punishment.

Originally posted by detachedindividual
reply to post by chrismarco

 

It has been stated several times by the NUS, and it has actually been stated since on SKY News that students were told to go to that area to leave, and that then they were denied. The Police then stated that this was due to violence.
As has been seen on the footage, there was no violence there until the Police blocked their path and refused to allow them to exit. Then they argued, and rightly so. Then the Police lost their minds.

THIS IS ALL ON CAMERA!
Are you going to suggest that I somehow manipulated the live feeds from London or something?
People suggesting these students have had it too easy are brain-dead. These are your fellow citizens, and they deserve every right that you cling to. Just because they are protesting, and then having to defend themselves against charging horses and batons does not make you in any way superior to them.

Yes agreed I studied the whole footage throughout the day, The met came on SKY to tell student they could leave down victoria street, when they arrived they were kettled in.
How anyone can deny it happened, it was shown live to all of us on Sky News.

Also to the others the horse was not attacked when the policeman fell off, It was an out of control horse, this happens.
How anyone can deny what happened when they see it with their own eyes is crazy.

I have a question for all you police haters.

What would happen if there was no police at this event?

The Public would be in danger, people would have died, buildings would have been burnt to the ground.

Its all fine for you to moan about the police, but they are always the ones you call when you need help.

Hypocrites

One police officer is in hospital with neck injuries, and a mounted officer suffered leg injuries after being thrown from his horse as the clashes in central London escalated.

Flares, paint bombs, snooker balls and other missiles were seen being thrown at riot police.

A handful of protesters climbed onto a statue of Winston Churchill and daubed it with graffiti and dozens have surrounded a large bonfire.

Some have been breaking down metal barriers around Parliament as police struggle to contain the violence.

Sky's Tom Parmenter, at the scene, said: "We've got scenes of serious disorder, a real dangerous volatile situation.

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Again the students are the ones causing the violence, and what is the point of the Students carrying CCCP flags? Please explain that

reply to post by Haydn_17


I wonder if you realise that it is a war crime and illegal and crime against humanity to punish a group of people for the supposed crimes of a few. That's just not right if one person throws a rock and over here is some people who seem like they are probably connected to that one person, then do uncalled for things against them for the purpose of making them suffer as some sort of deterrent to future possible crimes. That's illegal and the people responsible should be taken to the Hague and put on trial.

painful

reply to post by jmdewey60


That is ridiculous, so the police where meant to just stand there and let rocks and bricks be thrown at them.

And then the students attack the Kings car!! Did you know that there was a Jaguar behind that car with armed royal guards, they were only seconds away from drawing the weapons at the students.

It would of been a good thing if they did.

reply to post by Haydn_17

When my girlfriend was in High School, her older sister decided to go to a pro Mao demonstration. This was back in the Viet Nam War days. She was sitting a way back just calmly enjoying the day in the park when the cops were released to punish the people and one ran up to her and clubbed her in the head and she ended up covered in blood and going to the hospital. She was not doing anything and I was not there but I doubt anyone was in danger from anyone except for the cops who maybe were brainwashed to hate communists.

reply to post by EvillerBob

...some nutjob started throwing fire extinguishers off a rooftop at the police.

Be careful, that extra "s" at the end of extinguisher is a bit of a giveaway as to where you stand on this issue.

It was an extinguisher (singular). Although you are right, he was a "nut-job" and I deplore his idiotic behaviour. Yet I am, as has been shown on other threads, completely behind violent protest involving damage to property.

It should not involve intentional damage to life or limb.

Beware how you choose to spin things, eh?

Originally posted by Soshh
He made the decision to be there and he made the decision to try and escape the "kettling". Do you think he was asking nicely?

If you fancy challenging a policeman holding a truncheon then you accept the risk of him using it against you. You accept the risk of receiving a nasty bruise or death or anything in between. He refused the offer of an ambulance.

He may well have refused the offer of an Ambulance - although I'm not sure that 4 tons of Mercedes with blue lights would have been much use to him. What he did was decline medical aid from the crew who would have been two qualified professionals, able to asses him and treat accordingly.

To whom did he refuse? Was it a Police medic or was it fully qualified London Ambulance Service Staff?

If it was a Police medic then no dice. Police medics aren't worth a wank. People do very strange, inexplicable and crazy-ass things when they have head injuries, which could well explain his refusal.

The problem is that professional medical help, i.e. Paramedics are kept very far from the front line of public order events, mainly because MetPol state "safety issues". Strange, when as an ex-Paramedic I had access to a full set of public order kit and had riot training at the MetPol training centre at Hendon.

Hmmm...

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by Haydn_17

 

I wonder if you realise that it is a war crime and illegal and crime against humanity to punish a group of people for the supposed crimes of a few. That's just not right if one person throws a rock and over here is some people who seem like they are probably connected to that one person, then do uncalled for things against them for the purpose of making them suffer as some sort of deterrent to future possible crimes. That's illegal and the people responsible should be taken to the Hague and put on trial.

Question - If the "rock throwers" are a minority, and the rest should'nt be punsihed for them....Why did'nt the "peaceful non rock throwers" stop them??

Answer - Because there were NO innocents there. Everyone knew that there would be a confrontation.
Why didnt the "peaceful ones" sit themselves down and allow the violents ones to be ientified??