Leaked e-mail shows Fox boss tried to slant 'news' programs

reply to post by TrueBrit


Creative solutions and inventiveness thrives on the notion that if I can come up with a better idea than my neighbor, I can be heavily rewarded for that idea, and not just monetarily either.

If the paperboys start making as much money or reward as doctors do, then nobody will want to become a doctor. The sacrifice simply wouldn't be worth the reward. If you won't be hansomly rewarded for a creative invention, then who is going to spend years at the drawing table? Sure, some people just enjoy that kind of stuff and accomplishment is enough reward, though that won't cut the mustard.

We have revolutionary breakthroughs in science and other disciplines because people are striving for profit (not just monetary either profit either). We have seen pretty clearly that strict forms of socialism just doesn't work. It is just as vulnerable to corruption as capitalism is, and it henders advancement.

--airspoon

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Very well presented! Couldn't have laid it out better myself~ Bravo!

Originally posted by TrueBrit
reply to post by SevenBeans

 

I havent got any confusion. Im saying mankind needs less inequality not more. Im saying that working hard at ANYTHING ought to reap the same rewards , no matter what that something is. If you cant make a billion dollars or pounds doing a physical job like stacking shelves at a huge supermarket, or selling newspapers every day of your life, then you shouldnt be able to make a billion dollars doing anything the hell else.

Why not?

Originally posted by TrueBrit
It IS socialy responsible to ensure that everyone who works earns the same money for the same hours, no matter what.

Wrong, it's incredibly irresponsible. As another poster said, very few people would do anything difficult or anything that required years and years of school etc. etc. if they would earn just as much no matter what they did.

I think the verdict is in, due to an overwhelming mountain of evidence. That verdict, at least in my opinion, is that the varius media outlets are news organizations, but rather tabloids, tabloids with a tinge of propaganda, splashed with disinformaiton for the purpose of indoctrinating.


--airspoon

TrueBrit is right about one thing: there is no such thing as "left wing media". If there was, they would be saying the things TrueBrit is saying...the Left Extreme as opposed to the Right Extreme presented by Fox News.

Insteead, you either have the hard right (fox), the right (cnbc), mostly right (cnn) and centrist (msnbc). The people who run the show wouldnt want people to actually hear true leftist ideas, some might actually break through the "Mo' Money" brainwashing.

If you want to read a true leftist publication, look up The Buffalo Beast.

reply to post by aching_knuckles


If you can break free from the false left-right paradigm for a minute, you'd see pretty clearly that all of the mainstream media outlets are actually statist-left, with the exception of a few FOX programs that have very recently come on air, such as "the judge".

In all reality, neo-cons are liberals or left-leaning statists, so a media outlet that champions these neo-cons, also champions leftist and statist ideologies.

It is of my opinion that this whole left versus right squabble in American politics, is nothing more than a distraction, because ultimately, the Republicans and Democrats both champion the same ideals, at least the important things. In fact, they only really differ on a very few relatively unimportant, cosmetic issues that envoke emotions, in an effort to fool the American people into believing that there is some kind of opposition. What's more, is they don't even really differ on these cosmetic issues.

The so-called left and the so-called right, are only two different sides of the same coin and while they have us distracted with the issues that don't really matter, we are being robbed blind and used as a tool, all the while we are under the illusion that there is an opposition.

Truth be told, both the Republicans and the Democrats are for large government, unchecked and wild spending, corporatism, loss of liberties, centralized power and government control to just to name a few. On the Nolan Chart, they are all pretty much down at the bottom corner, though slightly to the left.

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You see, TPTB have seemed to redefine what a liberal and a conservative is. They probably knew that the American people would wisen up to the great robbery and oppressive nature of statism, if no effort is made at pretending we have an opositional movement, thus one side took the "left" and the other took the "right", both working for the same ultimate goal of enriching the elite and championing corporatism, while throwing scraps of emotional issues in the mix so that they will have something to oppose each other on. However, notice how those things never really get dealt with and that's because these emotional and cosmetic issues are only there to give us a perception of opposition. Over the years, we have become almost completely indoctrinated into this redefinition and phony bipartisan non-sense, so it's not like every democrat or every republic is some grand conspiracy. In fact, it's not a conspiracy at all, it's just reality.

Having said that, it is pretty clear that CNN and MSNBC take the so-called left side of issues, basically humping the leg of Obama or Hillary, while FOX News has clearly taken the so-called right. However, make no mistake about it, where the rubber hits the road and issues really matter, both parties and their propaganda wings are forwarding the same agenda.

In fact, I don't even think that these two are forwarding the same agenda, so much as the agenda os using these two to forward itself. All of this "left-right" non-sense is just that, non-sense and it is entirely distracting to the real robbery taking place. The robbery of not only our money and labor, but out freedoms and way of life too.

When it's all said and done, regardless of whatever they tell you, both sides are left-leaning statists.



--airspoon

reply to post by airspoon


If you are fine with living in a world where the motivations of a doctor have more to do with money than helping the sick, fine. But dont insist that its ok, or right, or the way it should be. Doctors should do what they do because they want to prevent needless disease, cure ailments, improve the lives of their patients, and learn better ways to improve and maintain the body . That SHOULD be thier SOLE purpose, thier mission, thier drive. Money should be worth so many times LESS than that, that they wouldnt miss the money if they didnt have it.
Lawyers should learn the law because they value justice above thier comfort, and above considerations like what car they might like to be driving that morning, or indeed how much money they are making per hour.They should be in the business of ensuring that justice is served, without bias, and without prejudice in every case, no matter how big or small, no matter how able the client is to make them fabulously wealthy, because they should SALIVATE at the oppertunity to do the job and do it well. The money should be a tiny donation to keep them in biscuits and PG while they do the thing that really nourishes them intellectualy and spiritualy , getting to grips with law and justice, and ensuring thier accuracy and fairness.
An artist paints, sculpts and draws his heart out. But the best of them live the whole time in modest circumstance, and in some cases die before seeing a penny for thier masterworks. Now Im not saying that these great men and women shouldnt be paid, but its just not sustainable to pay them so much more than a regular average person gets at a regular average job. They should do what they do for the love of doing it. If they cannot choose that line of work above another, given equal motivation, then they havent got the heart for it anyway , and it will not satisfy them no matter how much they earn
doing it!
Aspiration should be about more than financial gain, it should be about choosing what you want to do with your life, and making it happen, knowing that you could literaly do anything, from the small to the big, without falling behind, and without accelerating away so fast that you forget how you got where you are. So many of our politicians are lawyers and learned men so to speak. Many have never known poverty, or hardship. Many wouldnt know what a real hard day feels like as a result of this, and they claim to be our representatives!
If this is the state of affairs you are happy with, the one you role out as " Ok by me" then why the hell are you even here on this site? Do you really care about any of it ? It is pure apathy to be okay with the way things are right now, and until they are absolutely fine, and things are done for moral, ethical reasons, INSTEAD of financial ones, then we will be on the road to something good. Until then theres work to do , and no one seems to understand that basic fact. Until its fine , its broken, and that is not ok.

reply to post by TrueBrit


In a utopian world, that would be great, however we live in reality and although many people may have the drive to help the sick, the sacrifice that is involved, requires much more than the simple gratification of heeling the sick. In fact, I would suspect that most people who enjoy the medical field, would simply become a nurse or even an unlicensed doctor, if the economical incentives aren't there. If we have learned anything in the thousands of years that we have been advancing on this planet, it is that economic incentives are absolutely paramount to make the world go around. I don't want to get too far off the subject, but I'll be more than happy to chew this over with you in an appropriate thread.

--airspoon

reply to post by TrueBrit


Let me ask you a simple question? Do you work for pure enlightenment, or do you work to make more money and become more successful?

reply to post by Whereweheaded


I work for a family business, and we only charge for what we do , enough that we can come back and do it again the next day. We can eat, we have a little flat, and we keep the shop stocked. We dont cream off a profit, we run the place because we needed something to do , and because it keeps us alive. We pretty much break even, sometimes a little over, but theres generaly a bad time ahead to plan for, and considering we run the only store of its sort in our area, our community needs us, as much as we need our trade.
We are locksmiths, and bloody cheap ones at that. We also provide DIY products, and again are pretty damned cheap at that, compared with B&Q. Without us around, people in our town had to travel a town over for DIY stuff, costing them fuel or travel money that many of them havent got on top of the price of the products they are looking for. Now they can aquire the goods they need, often without having to get in the car at all . On the locksmith front, we offer services at much lower rates than our competitors, because we havent any delusions of grandeur. Yes we actualy charge much less than we perhaps should. But you know what? Its worth it to see an older person who feels more secure, and didnt have to spend the winter fuel budget to make that happen, smile with relief. Its worth it to see young mums not crying with stress after hearing our price to fit a lock, or an alarm.
Its gratifying to be thanked for doing the job, and hearing honest appreciation for what we do, untinged by the worry over the finances. I dont think I could do my job like some people do , overcharging for every little thing, fiddling the final bill to make it bigger, fluffing the vat charge... We do our bit , and we do it well , and for a good price, and thats it.
We arent greedy , and our needs are limited. What excuse has a bloody banker got that I havent for charging people through the nose?

reply to post by TrueBrit


Ok, well with that said for your response, and though your work is admirable, you chose to be " cheaper " than your competitors. You choose, to " break even". I'm not saying that's a bad thing, I'm saying you made that choice. So with that logic, if a person decides to educate them self, and chose to be a doctor, let's say a brain surgeon, and there are many brain surgeons out there, do you think a guy who became this doctor should risk being " cheaper " just because it makes him feel all warm and tingly, not to mention risk losing his practice? Or do you think he should be somewhat comparable to other brain surgeons prices? It's a simple equation~ And a simple choice.

reply to post by Whereweheaded


I think he ought to charge the minimum that he can, so that brain surgery doesnt cost the patient or the taxpayer (whichever) as much as it might do. Cost puts the poor off even essential services like medical aid in some cases. With the knowlege that some old dear might die because of an extra zero on the cost sheets, you would have thought that idea alone would be the incentive to charge the lowest price for the service hes providing there.

Originally posted by airspoon

Leaked e-mail shows Fox boss tried to slant 'news' programs

www.rawstory.com

The Washington, DC managing editor at Fox News appears to be caught red-handed in the art of spinning.

As the health care debate was reaching a high point last year, a leaked e-mail shows Bill Sammon asked his news department to refer to the public option as the "government run option."

Later that evening, Fox News flagship news program, Special Report with Bret Baier, used the very phrase Sammon had requested.

(visit the link for the full news article)

Um...isn't it true that the new health care bill would be government run? I don't see the spin here.

Originally posted by airspoon
reply to post by aching_knuckles

 

If you can break free from the false left-right paradigm for a minute, you'd see pretty clearly that all of the mainstream media outlets are actually statist-left, with the exception of a few FOX programs that have very recently come on air, such as "the judge".

--airspoon

If I can break free of the left-right paradigm, I would find that all news outlets were leftist....interesting statement there mr airspoon.