Wikileaks has signaled the wake up call. Will you answer it and join the resistance?

I at first was among the skeptics of wikileaks. I was highly critical of all the documents that were being released and I cried for heresy. When wikileaks released documents about Iran and Russia I thought that wikileaks was working with the US government to try to expose the other governments and to help Israel declare war on Iran.

Recent actions by the British government and reactions by the establishment media like the New York Times ( that question whether if Julian Assange is a spy and isn't operating as a journalist and is doing espionage, and that he should be prosecuted show that how much of a threat to the rest of the world governments that he is. He's exposed the Iranian government numerous times but they've also exposed the US government with their war plans against the Iran government for "regime change" and preventive war. Wikileaks has proven that the US government is manipulating politics in Lebanon. Wikleaks has shown that relationships with Russia are tense. He's shown that Pakistan is working with the Taliban when we're really supposed to be fighting them. He also has shown that Saudi leaders pressured the US government to war with Iran in the 1980s. He's also helped show us that the Afghanistan war hasn't been going all that well either.

I think what Julian Assange has helped show us is that evil will always lurk under the surface even though there seems to be none. He has been trying to with his leaks show that there is still evil in the rest of the world and that states and other actors don't always do things that we would like them to do, and that the world is controlled by a powerful elite that acts as if it were unrepresentative of the people. Julian Assange is the real deal... he's confirmed what we have already known and he's shed light where there was no previous light in certain things before, and has really helped out a lot. Now, will you just sit there and let him be the only one that tries to push for more open transparency or will you just go back to sleep?

NOTE TO ATS STAFF: I AM NOT ADVOCATING FOR ADVOCACY, OR ANYTHING LIKE A PROTEST OR AN ORGANIZATION ON THIS FORUM, BY RESISTANCE- I AM TALKING ABOUT RESISTANCE ON AN INDIVIDUAL LEVEL AND BY NON-VIOLENT MEANS- I BELIEVE WIKILEAKS HAS SOUNDED THE CALL AND WE SHOULD TREAD CAREFULLY.

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www.rawstory.com...
www.nowlebanon.com...
www.thetakeaway.org...
www.independent.co.uk...
riseoftheiranianpeople.com...
www.msnbc.msn.com...

I have to disagree with you, I dont feel they've signaled anything. Im so underwhelmed with what has been released so far that I have become jaded about future releases. I also feel he's doing harm with these little 'gossipy' releases that could hurt diplomatic communication between countries and for what?? Did a soldier need to risk going to jail for the rest of his life to release documents that basically boil down to playground name calling. Untill something worth the risk of all this comes out Im turned off by the whole thing.

I also personally dont like Assange. I feel he is enjoying this all for the wrong reasons, not as an 'awakening of the masses' but more of a way to make him famous. I find his answers to questions condescending and to me he comes off as someone who thinks they're better then everyone. He's the wrong face for his organization, they need someone warmer and more inviting. He comes off as a jerk a lot of the time.

reply to post by VintageEnvy


If Julian Assange was doing this for fame why would he continue to do this when he knows that all these governments around the world are after him? Why would he put his life at risk if he was just doing it for fame? If he was doing this just for fame why would he go after not only the US, but also the Russians, the Iranians, and other governments? My point is that if he was just doing it for fame he would have just stopped at collateral damage and the Afghan war logs, but he's trying to open up the rest of the world (with the leaks he receives). I think he is the real deal. I don't think he's trying to distract us at all.

Actually which was earlier? Tin foil hats or WikiLeaks? I believe Assange is joined to the resistance and with great supporting power. WikiLeaks is just presenting now; "we, the tin foil hat brigade" is completely sane and we told the truth in the last years, regardless how many times we were in the mocking crossfire of the politicians and the media.

There is only one leading element in the resistance: the truth itself. And Julian is our brother who is helping us to achieve what all of us want; to kick all the liars out from this planet.

reply to post by Frankidealist35


This guys life is not at risk at all. No government in their right mind would kill him. They probably if anything have SS watching him to make sure he doesnt get hit by a car and made a martyr. I agree that I don't think he's trying to distract us from anything but I think he has a big head. I haven't found any of his leaks to be of help to anybody but to be fair, they are not all out yet.

If he doesnt 'deliver' soon then people will be tuning him out and it'll make it harder for someone else who actually has useful information to come forward.

Also, because of him new security measures are being put in place to avoid leaks in the future. For all this what has he shown us? I know you mentioned somethings in your op but that was all out there already. Pretty mush a believed theory, no big surprises there. I see him dragging this out for years and going to interviews describing about how all these countries are trying to kill him.

Personally I think there is to much grey area in the gov. The US and all the world should not lie to each other. We should live as one species on Earth under no ruling power. Instead we would all be part of a helping power where no one is better or worse by birth but by actions. This is the only way to be, all other ways have been tried and do not work. The only thing we have found is within our circles our family is who we help, weather they are friends or blood there part of your family, your circle. Now with this aspect of living under TPTB we have small circles due to the corporatism world we where forced into.


Remove the ruling power, expand your circle and become a helping power. The ruling power is but 1% of the world where the helping power is 100% of the world.


Do you only want to help 1% of your family?

reply to post by VintageEnvy


I felt that way at first.. until this release.
This one is in fact changing the world.

With this release they are releasing them slowly so they stay in the news and have full impact. The others were released all at once so the first splash was the only splash and if it was dismal there was no plan b.

This has already changed the world in ways we can't see yet (well except for the german official that lost his job/resigned over WL cables).

This stuff is good.

I think people are idolizing Julian Assange a little too quickly to be honest. But to each their own I guess. I will sit comfortably on the sidelines for the time being until I can figure this character out a little better. I have seen the evidence of him being linked to Soros and crew, I have heard the rumors of his possible involvement with the U.S. government as some kind of dis-info agent. All I am saying is I wouldn't put all my eggs in one basket just yet. Career politicians are a perfect example of not getting what you expect, they are great at getting people to believe they are the best thing since sliced bread while doing things behind those same people's back to hurt them in the long run. He may very well be the most sincere and caring guy this world has ever seen and if thats the case I will retract my statements and views when I feel it appropriate. The same goes for the rest of the Wikileaks project, as I am sure their are a lot of well intentioned people involved with it, as with everything else in life though all it takes is one corrupt person to drag the whole thing down.

reply to post by VintageEnvy


I don't think it was clear to anyone else before that Saudi Arabian government officials pressured the US to fight against Iran in the 1980s and ally with Iraq that way before the leaks. I mean we knew that the US government had interests in there... but I don't think anyone was pointing the fingers at the other rulers. I think they have brought light to certain things we were in the dark about. And yes, Interpol is after him. I don't know why you would say governments aren't after him or are not afraid of him...

reply to post by jaynkeel


I don't think Julian Assange wants this to be about him. I agree with your main overall point though. The last time we had a leader for the resistance movement was when we had Alex Jones as the cult leader and he's kind of discredited himself in the past year. So we've been kind of looking for someone else to do it- but if TPTB get Assange, or if he exposes himself in some way or another, we'd just be back to where we were before.

(S+F2U) This is a wake up call. It is a war of information and it is happening right now and....

no-one can stop an idea whos time has come..

i hope you dont mind linking my thread i think it is off relevence..

www.abovetopsecret.com...

kx

They had to figure out something to keep people distracted till American Idol starts again.

Seems like it's working perfectly......

Quick everybody: Pay attention to Wiki-leaks!!!

Originally posted by purplemer
It is a war of information and it is happening right now and....

Well, the information war is happening in the last few years. And we, "tin foil hats" always took the lead in it. So nothing new in this one. But right now we have a true "Shadow Broker", who is easing the weight on the "Shadow Agents".

reply to post by Frankidealist35


No, I do believe governments are afraid of him. I think he's making them look inept and clumsy. Shattering the facade of impenetrable top of the line security. Much like when that guy threw his shoes at president Bush. I was shocked that he was able to get that 2nd shoe thrown at all, where were the secret service to pounce that guy?? It showed a weakness when before people had thought that the nothing could even get close the the pres. this guy was slowly able to hurl both shoes seperatley at his head without interference in a room full of people.

What I said was , I dont believe any government would dare kill him at this point, he's too high profile. It would feed directly into what he and all his followers believe. I do find the rape charges suspicious and I think he's getting arrested much quicker than joe blow would if charged with the same thing. But time will tell with that.

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
reply to post by jaynkeel

 

I don't think Julian Assange wants this to be about him. I agree with your main overall point though. The last time we had a leader for the resistance movement was when we had Alex Jones as the cult leader and he's kind of discredited himself in the past year. So we've been kind of looking for someone else to do it- but if TPTB get Assange, or if he exposes himself in some way or another, we'd just be back to where we were before.

Unfortunately he's in the pilots seat.....To which he could of ejected a long time ago if he didn't want it to be about him. I think if he would have taken the back seat before when people were calling for it, the course of things might have taken a different turn right now. But I am sure we will all know soon enough who's on first..........

reply to post by jaynkeel
Governments of any type or form are inherently corrupt that's a given. What people need to do is to continue to question everything all the time. I feel what wikileaks has done is a great thing but again we must always look behind the scenes and question all of it.

reply to post by jaynkeel


Well.. some people will idolize him some wont. The thing is, the people who idolize him are the people who wouldn't pay attention to WL if they didn't have a spokes persons. They needed to put a fact on the organization so people could pay attention to it. It was a smart move on their part. As well all know Assange isn't wikileaks but he makes the whole thing human.

reply to post by jaynkeel


Assange in the pilots seat? Hope he can steer from behind bars, or in hiding.

Originally posted by StlSteve
reply to post by jaynkeel

 

Assange in the pilots seat? Hope he can steer from behind bars, or in hiding.

Someone better call an ambulance and get this to the BURN unit.

I honestly hope he gets a fair shake with this whole rape thing. If he did it, then throw him away but it really is overwhelmingly suspicious that they are persuing him like they are. I guess you could argue that he's such a high profile 'fugitive' that it would look like theyre lax on their job by not catching him quickly but I do feel they are pubically arresting him for the rape but privately for the obvious.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


I am not sure if I would set it up like that if it was my organization? I think they might have been better off without a specific "spokesperson". Wikileaks is basic a very large group of people right? I think it would have furthered their agenda to publicize on the group image. I sure would have made singling out one person a whole lot harder. Safety in numbers so they say right? By hanging him out there to be the fall guy doesn't demonstrate a group image to me. But hey I have never ran an organization before so what do I know. Either way these are unchartered waters no matter where the chips fall so who's really an expert on any of it?