FBI engineers terror plot, creates terrorist

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by oozyism

 

Are you serious? Is this the first FBI operation you have ever read about? The first news article?

www.chicagobreakingnews.com...
www.kptv.com...

I never denied such cases, and these cases still don't go against my points, that Muslims are only targeted for such plots.

I'm still waiting to see someone else being given a car bomb to blow up something they don't despise.

How about this, you accuse me of wanting to blow up places, will the FBI give me a fake car bomb? and give me money, and give me the whole plan of how to blow the thingies up?

What if I accuse you>? of blowing thingies up, would they do the same to you?

reply to post by oozyism


So some of the people who really want to imagine all this is on the up and up when the FBI Targets a kid like this and grooms him:

The judicial saga of men who came to be known as "The Liberty Six" reached what may be the beginning of the end today. After two mistrials, and a total bill that cost taxpayers over $10 million, five of the men were convicted. Another was acquitted.

blogs.miaminewtimes.com...

People really owe it to themselves to read the story of one of the first "Home Grown Terrorist Cases" the Liberty Six in Liberty City a very boor black community in Miami.

The six were actually street hoods, Christian street hoods, just looking to con some money out of the FBI's Informant who set them up.

At every stage the kids were clearly agreeing to things and doing what the FBI Informant told them (like taking an oath to El Queda and photographing buildings) for a pay day and to hustle some cash.

It took three trials for the Justice Department to finally get a conviction on 5 of them the case was so weak and the charges so trumped up.

For the people who are focusing in on the statements by the FBI like "Are you sure you want to go through with this" those are the 'select' statements the FBI wants you to hear. Chances are they fed this kid more venom and hate, and appealed to his ego, and sense of self importance in all the typical ways you can manipulate a teenager.

Now lets look at the Liberty Six, had they not needed the money, that is to say they got a similiar amount of money from boosting cars or selling drugs, when you look at these kids backgrounds the chances of them using their own money to carry out a terrorist plot are next to zero.

The chances of them coming up with the money to carry out a plot are next to zero.

Chances are in this case, this kid would have never found the explosives, the money for them, or the expertise to rig them into a bomb without the FBI supplying him with those things every step of the way.

It's a disgusting case of entrapment for publicity and to justify the massive expense and theft of our liberties.

What kind of people are we, when our Law Enforcement discovers a angry young man in need of help our help but instead we send him deliberately down the wrong path, making it possible every step of the way just to knock him down like a bowling pin.

I can't believe anyone would condone this nonsense, and think it's a good use of our tax dollars and law enforcement personnel.

reply to post by oozyism


OMG.. you really don't get it.
I gave you two cases of the FBI being involved in these kinds of operations. The targets weren't Muslim.
When it involves plots like this to blow up random people for no reason yeah it's usually Muslims, because guess what no other radical groups in America do that.

And yeah, they would set you up the same way probably. Not just by saying it, but if you were actively seeking someone to help you in coming up with a terrorist plan and the FBI got wind of it they would do the same thing to anyone. They would do the exact same thing to anyone no matter what the race or religion if they found out about it.

reply to post by oozyism


GogoVicMorrow has been answering your question every single time you have asked it. You just keep asking the same question and get the same reply, but then ask the same question again.

The FBI seeks out individuals who yield incredible amounts of evidence pointing to a deep desire to commit a "terrorist" attack. This kid was hell-bent on committing a terrorist attack before the FBI got to him, so they just saw how far he would go with it, they even gave him chances to back out. As for NAZI skinheads, they have done the same, but in a different manner because you don't see NAZI skinheads going around blowing themselves up in the name of Hitler now do you? Their (the NAZI) "terrorist" attacks are different, so they engineer similar plans such as with the kid, but in accordance to how NAZI skinheads would do it.

Dr PC Roberts was under secretary of the treasury under Reagan and is considered to be one of the foremost expert commentators on US politics and finance

Fabricating Terror
By Paul Craig Roberts
11-30-10

Why does the FBI orchestrate fake terror plots?
The latest one snared Osman Mohamud, a Somali-American teenager in Portland, Oregon. The Associated Press report by William Mall and Nedra Pickler (11-27-10) is headlined in Yahoo News: "Somali-born teen plotted car-bombing in Oregon."

This is a misleading headline as the report makes it clear that it was a plot orchestrated by federal agents. Two sentencesinto the news report we have this: "The bomb was an elaborate fake supplied by the [FBI] agents and the public was never in danger, authorities said."

The teenager was supplied with a fake bomb and a fake detonator.

Three sentences later the reporters contradict the quoted authorities with a quote from Arthur Balizan, special agent in charge of the FBI in Oregon: "The threat was very real."

The reporters then contradict Balizan: "White House spokesman Nick Shapiro said Saturday that president Barack Obama was aware of the FBI operation before Friday's arrest. Shapiro said Obama was assured that the FBI was in full control of the operation and that the public was not in danger."

Then Shapiro contradicts himself by declaring: "The events of the past 24 hours underscore the necessity of remaining vigilant against terrorism here and abroad."

www.rense.com...


Yep, the billion dollar army ascared of a little child.
Seems like a collossal waste of money to me all them planes and tanks and ships etc.
Might as well just bend over
before a couple of rag headed cave dwellers come over here and kick american butt AGAIN.
The airport flyers seem to be getting plenty of practice in preparation for greeting their new overlords...
Porn stars all.
( how much did chertoff make putting the underwear bomber on that plane, like the government had to admit too?)

I wonder if the "Seattle kid" was on SSRI drugs too
like the shooters at columbine.
1 in 5 guaranteed to commit a violent felony

betcha he is.


they are small take two.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by oozyism

 

You aren't even trying to use logic. I didn't say they (gangsters) never have (even though you should provide proof they have tried for no reason) I'm saying, especially with gangsters, they would have no motivation. They aren't driven by the radical side of a religion, they don't want to ruin their lives. They are about business. Skinheads usually deal in small assaults and occasionally murder, but honestly aren't that big of a problem in the U.S. I haven't heard of a much skinhead activity..well ever really. BUT if they were trying to do something like this and the FBI got wind of it they would do the same thing that they did in this case, or in the assassination cases where they pose as hitmen.

If they found out a gangster, for whatever reason (it would be beyond me), wanted to bomb a police station do you not think they would go to these same lengths to stop it? OF COURSE THEY WOULD!
Also.. they didn't talk this kid into being a radical and trying to do stuff like this, that was the path he had chosen he was just stupid. They wouldn't just randomly try to get a homeless guy to commit a crime. That would make them terrorists. That isn't even a smidge similar to this. They weren't trying to get to the kid to commit a crime. The homeless guy thing blew my mind. I'm sorry to sound like a jerk, but I don't know if you are capable to see the difference. If you were you wouldn't have made that homeless man statement, or at least could understand why it's just ridiculous.

edit on 30-11-2010 by GogoVicMorrow because: (no reason given)

Heard of FTP?

Do you know how much Gangsters hate COPS? Do you know how much joy they would gain, how much pride they would gain, for blowing up a police station and killing couple of cops in the process?

The evidence is clear, that you have no idea regarding the hate which exists in the hearts, and minds of gangsters and skin heads. Actually you don't want to believe it, you want to believe FOX news, that only Muslims are capable of bombing places DUUUUH..



Here is an indictment:

Five members of a Chicago street gang conspired to "blow up" a West Side police station with a rocket launcher they intended to purchase from undercover agents, according to a federal indictment released Thursday.

www.highbeam.com...

What is the difference between this case and the Somali one? The Somali boy was given everything, including the money, the planing and encouragement, and FBI is accused of manipulating the kid.

The above case, the Gangsters mistakenly tried to purchase the equipment from undercover agents.

reply to post by Somehumanbeing

The FBI seeks out individuals who yield incredible amounts of evidence pointing to a deep desire to commit a "terrorist" attack.

And

that incredible amount of evidence is an accusation by someone's relative

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by oozyism

 

OMG.. you really don't get it.
I gave you two cases of the FBI being involved in these kinds of operations. The targets weren't Muslim.
When it involves plots like this to blow up random people for no reason yeah it's usually Muslims, because guess what no other radical groups in America do that.

And yeah, they would set you up the same way probably. Not just by saying it, but if you were actively seeking someone to help you in coming up with a terrorist plan and the FBI got wind of it they would do the same thing to anyone. They would do the exact same thing to anyone no matter what the race or religion if they found out about it.

The Somali kid wasn't actively seeking for anything, he was approached by the FBI agents, not the other way around.

If I'm wrong regarding the above claim, I'll take it back.

Originally posted by oozyism

Here is an indictment:

Five members of a Chicago street gang conspired to "blow up" a West Side police station with a rocket launcher they intended to purchase from undercover agents, according to a federal indictment released Thursday.

www.highbeam.com...

What is the difference between this case and the Somali one? The Somali boy was given everything, including the money, the planing and encouragement, and FBI is accused of manipulating the kid.

The above case, the Gangsters mistakenly tried to purchase the equipment from undercover agents.

Muahahahah
Dude... I'm sorry you just proved my point.
Gangsters intended to blow up a police station, but were busted because they "mistakenly tried to purchase the equipment from undercover agents."
Thank you! Thank you! That is the perfect example of FBI (the undercover agents) setting up gangsters (not Muslims) with weapons for a plan. I told you they would do it just the same for gangsters.
You completely proved my point, were you trying to do that?

Edit: This is absolutely the same scenario as with this Muslim kid you are defending except these are gangsters and not Muslim extremists. As I said they will set up anyone who is a threat using the same tactics.

reply to post by oozyism


No the intervened the kid was already planning it and even bought bomb parts himself and sent them to the FBI agents because he thought they were radicals that could build the bomb for him.

From the article:
"The FBI affidavit that outlined the investigation alleges that Mohamud planned the attack for months, at one point mailing bomb components to FBI operatives, whom he believed were assembling the device."
www.npr.org...

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow


Muahahahah
Dude... I'm sorry you just proved my point.
Gangsters intended to blow up a police station, but were busted because they "mistakenly tried to purchase the equipment from undercover agents."
Thank you! Thank you! That is the perfect example of FBI (the undercover agents) setting up gangsters (not Muslims) with weapons for a plan. I told you they would do it just the same for gangsters.
You completely proved my point, were you trying to do that?

Prove that it was the same.

Watch out, your patriotism is showing

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by oozyism

 

No the intervened the kid was already planning it and even bought bomb parts himself and sent them to the FBI agents because he thought they were radicals that could build the bomb for him.

From the article:
"The FBI affidavit that outlined the investigation alleges that Mohamud planned the attack for months, at one point mailing bomb components to FBI operatives, whom he believed were assembling the device."
www.npr.org...

Yeah, planned it for months, and FBI had contacts with him for months.

DUUUH.

Third line.

reply to post by oozyism


Well.. now you are letting your stubbornness and ignorance show.
You know damn well it's the same. It says so. The gangsters were planning to blow up this police station
but undercover agents intervened posing as weapons dealers, it's exactly the same. In the Muslim bomber case they were posing as bomb maker radicals. In this case as arms dealers, in other cases hit men. It is all case sensitive. Come on.. you have to realize now. They do this to whomever. It is how they work. It is effective and it stops crime it stops innocent deaths. This is the exact same. Anyone here can see that this proves my case. If you can't you are hopeless and are letting your dedication to a criminal show.

reply to post by oozyism


Wrong-o read up on what you post. That was this attack, and he was planning it. Not the FBI. Just like your gangster case, if they hadn't posed as the weapon dealers they may have gone to someone with the real deal. Just like the kid could have gone to a real deal bomb maker had they not gotten involved. The kid had been considering stuff like this since he was 15, that's four years. The FBI only got involved around june or july when he actually became a threat. He had years to turn his way of life around.

reply to post by oozyism


Face it, you just proved GogoVicMorrow's point. And rather well, I might add. You don't even know what you are arguing anymore. And watch out, your hatred of America is showing.

reply to post by 3finjo


Thank you.. I was waiting for someone to chime in. I'm about done here.
You can't teach some people anything.

Haha and yeah, he did a better job than me. I was looking for an article just like that.

rt.com...

This case is just another in a line of terror fabrication and entrapment practices by US law enforcement, argued Paul Craig Roberts, a former Reagan administration official.

“The FBI recruited the guy, made the bomb and gave him the fake detonator. He obviously was not a terrorist since he didn’t know how to make a bomb and didn’t know how to recognize a face bomb,” said Roberts. “Allegedly, we have real terrorists. But, we don’t ever catch any of them. We only catch ones the FBI has to recruit.”

...mister paul craig roberts certainly should know ALL about fabricating a pr stunt, given his reagan regime experience... sigh...

...was this entrapment?... if we believe the os, that a 15yr old was actively looking for a terrorist ring to join and it took the feds 4yrs to seal his fate - then, yeah, looks like entrapment to me...

...i wonder how things would have turned out if the fbi had spent 4yrs helping this young man onto the right road rather than insuring he went down the wrong road...

...and what kind of family member rats out a 15yr old to the fbi?...

...could it be the same kind of unscrupulous person that received unquestioned monetary rewards from our government to incriminate innocent family members or friends who ended up in gitmo or other detainment centers?... yep, it could be...

...at the least, its VERY suspicious if the young man had no previous criminal / delinquent activity on record and the family member who ratted him out didnt first seek help from a shrink or minister...

...i wonder what kind of grades he made in school and what his teachers thought of him...

reply to post by Wyn Hawks


It could be that his family tried everything they could to deter him from the path he seemed determined to take and went to the law as a last resort. I would like to think so, anyway. The world is full of lost young men and women sadly, and thankfully many are given help to find a more positive direction but some slip through the gaps and need to be stopped - even by legal means as a last resort and when other things fail. The important thing was he was caught.

There was a thread about agents provocateur in which I alleged that this very thing was happening using internet forums, message boards, and chat rooms.

You don't have to provoke a riot. Just provoke a disgruntled youth into doing something that a stupid, disgruntled youth may do.

Funny...when I grew up if there was a kid who was feeling lots of anger or rage, someone stepped in to counsel them. Not put a match to the TNT. The kid may or may not have done something. But whatever it is he did, the FBI is complicit in. They should stand trial with him.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by oozyism

 

No the intervened the kid was already planning it and even bought bomb parts himself and sent them to the FBI agents because he thought they were radicals that could build the bomb for him.

From the article:
"The FBI affidavit that outlined the investigation alleges that Mohamud planned the attack for months, at one point mailing bomb components to FBI operatives, whom he believed were assembling the device."
www.npr.org...

In other words:

FBI: "Yeah, we need you to buy this, this, and that. Mail them to us so we can assemble the first stage of the device."
Schmucko Kid: "Umm, ok. You want me to mail you some parts for the bomb you plan on making? "

Sounds to me like, at most, he is just an accessory to their crime. Some pissed off, angst ridden teen who was taken advantage of by the FBI. Instead of help for his anger, he got painted a terrorist.