FBI stopped Portland bomb suspect from taking job before sting

reply to post by boniknik


Who cares. To me that means he had 4 years to change his path before getting himself into this much trouble.
You seem to not be grasping an important part of this. The FBI played the role of the person he would have been talking to had they not found him. Imagine what kind of stuff your kid would be having suggested to him had he sought out and found a true radical muslim mentor. I doubt they would be trying to dissuade him as the FBI did at times.

anyone below 20 is minor in my country

reply to post by boniknik


thats whats so scary about this story.. like you said it could have been any kid... know one heard the kids side of story yet. i thought this was america innocent until we are proven guilty. i really think the evidence on this one is real shaky.

well im form portland and he had it in the workss for 2 years and was going to do it friday hell i rode by it on the max today pinoiir sqaure

reply to post by boniknik


What is your country? Ok call him a minor by your standards. Do you consider people say 18 and up unable to tell the difference between good and bad? This kid deserves what he got, the FBI pulled some lame stuff in this case too (making fake bomb huge so they could scare the public with details of the damage it could do though it was never a threat and had he gone somewhere else he may have only had a small bomb or none at all) BUT you can't defend this kid at all.

reply to post by adam76


Christ why do you guys keep saying that?! IT COULD NOT HAVE BEEN ANY KID!
Any kid isn't trying to blow up downtown portland. Any kid isn't putting himself in a place where the FBI would even assess him as enough of a threat to intervene with. Any kid doesn't try to fly to the middle east for terror training. Any kid doesn't seek out jihad-ists on the internet!

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


my point is that if the FBI did not present the opportunities for him to take advantage of, considering they supplied the material, how could you say he posed a threat? they made him into a viable threat. they facilitated him becoming viable threat. he may have had his own convictions, but who is to say that he ever would have been able to put into action what he is now being charged for on his own? seriously, a lot of people hate the US and want to destroy it, but they don't because they don't have the opportunities presented to them, and are too stuck in daily life to do anything about it. but when you convince someone that daily life is meaningless, that their convictions need to be acted upon, and you start giving them directions to move forward with their hatred, i mean it sounds to me that the ones who set him up are more criminal than the kid. if they wanted to do some good, they could have tried to convince him that his motives may not be for the best, like a person who is going to commit suicide and the negotiator that tries to convince him that its not worth it. the negotiator doesn't hand him the gun and the bullets and tells him that his death will benefit the public because it rids society of another lunatic. they convince him of the exact opposite, and then if he agrees, he gets help, or they stop him one way or another before he can take the plunge. in this case, the coerced him to take the plunge and he found out at the very end he was jumping into water. that's a purely screwed up motive on the side of the law enforcement or intelligence agencies. they could have just kept surveillance on him and waited for him to purchase bomb making materials on his own and then arrested him. apparently he had the motive, and they would have had the evidence to prove his intentions, and if they couldn't get him for being a terrorist, they could get him for purchasing materials to make a bomb, and would have had enough substantial proof from the emails that he in fact intended to construct a bomb out the materials. this is perversion of justice. this is how they get people to accept things like the patriot act. they don't mention the psy ops that are really involved, or i should say reverse psy ops. its just dirty man, way dirty. im glad they caught the guy, but i just dont believe the guy would have ever been caught unless they purposely placed him in a position to be caught. they manipulated him.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by adam76

 

Christ why do you guys keep saying that?! IT COULD NOT HAVE BEEN ANY KID!
Any kid isn't trying to blow up downtown portland. Any kid isn't putting himself in a place where the FBI would even assess him as enough of a threat to intervene with. Any kid doesn't try to fly to the middle east for terror training. Any kid doesn't seek out jihad-ists on the internet!

my 16 year old neighbor tried.

reply to post by asperetty


No they did not. They didn't make him anymore of a threat than he was. Actually they made him less of a threat as they stopped him from continuing to seek out someone that could really make him a bomb. There is evidence he would have continued looking for someone to help him with his agenda. From what I read, he acquired the parts for the bomb and sent them to the FBI to be assembled. So no they didn't make him more of a threat. Had they not intervened he would have kept on.

Answer this, do you really think they shouldn't have intervened? What if he found someone that could really make a bomb, or learned to do it himself? Then he drops off the radar for a few days, then there is a huge explosion in Portland. Then what would you be saying?

reply to post by asperetty


Why? Then he should be watched, and if he continued and went so far as to have a bomb built for him and then try to detonate it I would be glad they intervened, glad it was fake, and glad he was going to jail.

This also means your 16 year old neighbor isn't any kid. If it's even true, how do you even know about it?

Originally posted by asperetty
reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

 

but when you convince someone that daily life is meaningless, that their convictions need to be acted upon, and you start giving them directions to move forward with their hatred,

There is no proof of that.
I also have actually read that they did try to talk him out of it.
And unless I'm wrong I'm pretty sure he bought the bomb parts himself
the FBI just assembled them for him.

Originally posted by asperetty
reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

 

my point is that if the FBI did not present the opportunities for him to take advantage of, considering they supplied the material, how could you say he posed a threat?

Sure, and if little girls didn't present opportunities for child molesters (by being near them) then no child molester would be a threat to anyone. Same goes for banks - if banks didn't present opportunities for bank robbers to rob them, then bank robbers wouldn't be a threat. Same for murder victims.. if those damn murder victims weren't out and about walking places or being somewhere, then they wouldn't give murderers the opportunity to murder them.

I'll tell you what, apparently everyone who has ever stolen anything from a grocery store was entrapped because the grocery store had items out where people had the opportunity to steal them!

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow



he spoke to me about his intentions and he has something similar to strong convictions about becoming a suicide bomber and he used my comp to search for terrorist connections & porn when i thought he was using to study for some bio class of his. don't worry i've already sent a letter to the embassy here.

i understand your point, but what im saying is that they couldve stopped him sooner, but they allowed it to be dragged out to the point that he became a pseudo-legitimate threat, enough of a percieved threat to convince the public that the actions of the FBI are good. the FBI knew he had purchased the materials and had clear intentions of the why's and proposed hows. they could have stopped him there and arrested him maybe under something like the civil forfeiture act and seized all the incriminating evidence and proved his guilt there. but im telling you there was a reason why they had to let it go further and that was to send a message to the public.

sorry to refer to 1984, its a bit overused, but if you have read it, remember Winston going through all the trouble to discover the underground Goldstein movement and he thought that O'Brien was in on it too, but O'Brien was just deceiving him until the very end when the thought police raided his home just as Winston and Julia were prepared to meet with others associated with goldstein movement? O'Brien even went so far as to supply this fake book supposedly written by goldstein to make Winston feel that it was real and what he was onto was right? O'Brien had enough incriminating evidence against Winston from the first time they spoke, if you go along the laws and rules presented in the story, and he could have gone to prison right then and there. but for a specific reason they drew it out, to completely demolish Winston's psyche in the end, and if they hadn't accomplished that, they would have presented him to the public as proof that the government was working and succeeding to work in their best interest, subversively justifying their complete control over the citizens lives. 1984 is the black and white representation of the technicolor version of 2010.

Originally posted by RestingInPieces

Originally posted by asperetty
reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

 

my point is that if the FBI did not present the opportunities for him to take advantage of, considering they supplied the material, how could you say he posed a threat?

Sure, and if little girls didn't present opportunities for child molesters (by being near them) then no child molester would be a threat to anyone. Same goes for banks - if banks didn't present opportunities for bank robbers to rob them, then bank robbers wouldn't be a threat. Same for murder victims.. if those damn murder victims weren't out and about walking places or being somewhere, then they wouldn't give murderers the opportunity to murder them.

I'll tell you what, apparently everyone who has ever stolen anything from a grocery store was entrapped because the grocery store had items out where people had the opportunity to steal them!

the government does not introduce the paedophile to the child. it happens by chance and through the paedo's own choices. banks do not supply robbers with the blueprints of the building and the security infrastructure. the grocery stores dont have signs in aisles that say ' hey its ok take it there are no cameras on this aisle and the employess only come here to wash the floor every 15 minutes' and then have a clock right above it with the 3,6,9, and 12 symbols lit up so the thief understands when each 15 minutes comes around.i understand what you are trying to say, but you are saying it with complete naivety. im not against enforcing the law, but i am against coercing people to break it.

reply to post by asperetty



Well I agree that they wanted to let it go on so long partly so they could be winner and say that someone tried to detonate a bomb last night in Portland. Better headline, but it seems you guys were arguing not about that, but that the kid was set up, etc. I think the also likely wanted to see if this kid was just confused or really determined. Maybe they were even giving him more chances than they should by seeing if he would go through with it. Maybe they were giving him that chance to rectify the possibility that they persuaded him too much? I don't think they did or had to though.

As for your neighbor. Muslim? And again, that is not the normal behavior of a 16 year old kid (well.. the porn kinda is).

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow



im glad you get my point now. the problem i see in this all is there are two separate agendas, when the only one should be justice and law enforcement, not subliminal propaganda underlying it all.

the kid is Jain, almost the exact opposite of Muslim. i made a topic a while back you can read it here.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

most try to play it down that this is normal teenage behavior, but i know from observation that this is heavily exaggerative teenage behavior. for him, its a lose lose situation. he wants help, but doesn't care enough to want it. he wants to die full stop, and he wants to take others with him. why? because he hates everything, but at the same time does not care about anything to hate it enough. he needs help, but there is none for him, and even if he got it, it would only make him worse, because he feels he is crazy, and getting psychological treatment would only ferment this belief rather than show him a way out of it. that would make it justifiable for him to ruin lives, because his is already, by his own willing. its an impossible situation, so i left it up to the US embassy to keep an eye on it.

reply to post by asperetty


Eh the government has always done that though. I actually mentioned it much earlier in this thread. I discussed how they made the "bomb" very large so they could suggest it would have been very damaging when it was not a threat at all. They could have made a fake 50 megaton bomb and said it would have devastated the state and really freaked out the people even though it wouldn't really be possible, they could get the idea into the news that way.

Still that's small potatoes really, sure it perpetuates the ongoing unknown fear agenda, but as for what they did to the "kid," I don't think they forced him to go any further than he already intended.

So, the FBI's "Terrorist Theater" did indeed produce an attack, but not the attack that the FBI planned.

With the help of the Mainstream media the FBI indeed got somebody worked up about the fake terror attack, because that person/persons did there own real terrorist attack against the mosque where the arrested teenager had worshiped.

Thank the FBI's planned release of this information along with the MSM for this arson.

While thankfully nobody died in this arson, but it definitely put persons in danger more so than the fake FBI bomb exercise somebody could have been hurt, property was destroyed and now there are persons who are really being threatened & or terrorized.

This is a classic example of why the "Terrorist Theater" in order to entrap the weak minded is dangerous & wrong.

The fire occurred less than two days after Mohamed Osman Mohamud, who had attended prayers at the center, was arrested in a sting involving a fake bomb at a Christmas tree lighting ceremony in Oregon's largest city, Portland.

(Reuters) - U.S. investigators said a fire at an Islamic center in Oregon on Sunday was arson

You wanted a real terror attack thank your Federal LEO's & MSM for providing one.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

What is your country? Ok call him a minor by your standards. Do you consider people say 18 and up unable to tell the difference between good and bad? This kid deserves what he got, the FBI pulled some lame stuff in this case too (making fake bomb huge so they could scare the public with details of the damage it could do though it was never a threat and had he gone somewhere else he may have only had a small bomb or none at all) BUT you can't defend this kid at all.

Look, base on your own laws, a 19 year old kid is not an adult, they aren't even allowed to buy beer. If you are going to consider this kid an adult how come your laws do not afford this kid the privileges of an adult?

If you cannot see the wrong in this, nothing will convince you. Just hope and pray that they don't go after your kids specially without you knowing.

Really it is alright now that FBI talks to your teenager kids and "suggest" things to them???

The keyword in that news is the word SUGGEST, THE FBI SUGGESTED IT TO THE KID, was it a mere suggestion or professional brainwashing, hypnotism?

reply to post by boniknik



Get real. This kid was doing this before he ever came in contact with the FBI! That's why he came in contact with them. They didn't go after him for no reason. If you can't see why you are wrong YOU never will. Nineteen, is a adult enough to know what he was doing was wrong. And don't be ridiculous with that brainwashing, and hypnotism. That's retarded, plus you guys are ignoring that they tried to talk him out of it.