The Danger of WikiLeaks: Why the organization could be doing more harm than good

reply to post by airspoon


Yep.. they are big corporations. Easy as that. It's simple really. They find their man, say "Promise to help us, out, pull some strings for us and we will get you elected and make your political career." That's how these huge Pharma/Oil/Chemical/Weapons Tech companies get so big in the first place.

It's not even really a maybe, you know? And you are right, It's not an all encompassing thing. Hence why we were spying in Canada and other nations which theorists generally dismiss as being owned by the same people as the U.S. If that was really the case, there wouldn't be much need for spying on other Western and European countries.

Wikileaks is a symptom of the internet age and the watchword of the internet age is "discernment".
We aleady have enough information to be able to paint the picture, the problem is acting on what we already know, in the most appropriate manner, before it is too late.
While Wikileaks is garnering all this attention, is the "fake underwear bomber kiddyporn machine, or have your children groped, while Chertoff makes a dumptruck load of money situation" being adequately discussed in the mainstream?
No, we are hearing on the TV, from Wikileaks the polititions are calling each other names.
Like Wrestling
Are the things discussed in Airspoons "50 points re 911" thread being adequately discussed in the mainstream?
No
We are hearing about spies in allied countries...nothing new there...

The list is all ready legion, we don't need more info, we need coherent,cohesive, correct, concrete,action. Confusion is the best remedy for that. Confusion prevents resistance to what ever agenda is being imposed.

Here is a basic tenet of the science mind control, right out of the NWO play book:

Create two (or three) diversionary points of view, and while the victim is being slapped back and forth between the unresolvable hegellian dialectic, you slip in the mindcontrol objectives that you want to plant into the targets minds. ( even easier if the medium of communication entrains them like tv does)
Like lumping a credible source in with obvious frauds in order to discredit the source in enough minds that the information that is good, and actionable, is lost in the confusion, or that people who might otherwise resist the agenda get sucked into perpetrating it because of the precieved peer pressure,...or they emulate the opinions of what ever side of the dialectic they previosly resonated too...

If you stand up, they will charge you with rape, or publish pix of you and a couple of hookers, or bust you with some weed, or Dealy plaza you, or tell the world you said "wipe Israel off the map", or that you should lie down and wait for the Rapture, just send us all your money it will happen in a couple of days, trust me....
Say ,you look like you could use a bridge and I just happen to have a real beauty for sale real cheep...I can even get you financing from the IMF...

Fear and confusion and delusion....the fight is one or lost in the hearts and minds and bank accounts.
( and of course the lowbrow method of mindcontrol is called lead or silver)

In light of what we already know that should have landed certain greedy, tyranical minded traiters, in front of a firing squad, and hasn't,
I guess one question is going to be:
What is the net result of the leaks?
Is there anything in the Wikileaks that is game changer for the resuscitation of the constitution and the bill of rights?
Yes? use it
NO? MOVE ON QUICK

Great thread Airspoon
and IMHO star for you Proto I thought your comment regarding Divide and Conqure was very astute.
to that elegantly distilled phrase I would add the watchword:
"discernment"


PS
is there a new world order?
The golden rule is: he who has the gold makes the rules...
"Let me issue and control a Nation's money and I care not who makes its laws". - Amsel (Amschel) Bauer Mayer Rothschild, 1838:
Who has all the gold and controls the votes on the board...?
that is who runs the show.

what i find striking out in the news today is the ammount of politicians who say that the world is now a much un safer place because of these new leaks,

i point this out because its false,

only thing un safe is their job ,

yes its a lime light job where you get to travel and be the one who makes a change
but its a a job as cleaning hotel rooms or washing cars or bustin tables
just a job , and they ve done it very poorly.,

the world hasnt changed abit since the leaks , but the trust in the people doing jobs for the goverments has changed

and its a huge difference . which in my opinion is mind control and disinfo if anything

obey and your children might be spare sterilization.

Thanks for the thread, Airspoon.

This option will always be on the back-burner for open minded truth-seekers.

For the time being, I am remaining optimistic about Wikileaks.

After all, to stay consistent with its mundane goals: It is merely releasing files it has been given, on the good faith of those parties which give the files to WL.

Now of course that can be manipulated like you have said.

I do, however, wonder if Assange is not just hacking into the U.S. databases himself - and then releasing the files claiming they are from anonymous sources.

But its all speculation.

Bradley Manning is a scape goat either way.

Either way Cyber security is being bulked up.

Either way, people are being provoked to dislike current administrations.


It is interesting, that Daniel Ellsberg has 'vetted' WL and Assange. Makes you wonder.

Also, the fact that Assange has elaborated on the reason he gives the documents independently to several news outlets at a time -- to see how they each are individually biased reporting on the material.

Thats smart.

It might be too early to tell. But I think this recent dump is basically genuine, and there are less corrupt people speaking out about it than the corrupt ones - because the highly corrupt ones are not necessarily represented in diplomatic cables. They do work behind closed doors. Notice how Benjamin Netanyahu is overly confident that there is nothing for Israel to worry about in these documents.

It all makes you wonder... Complicated mess this all is.

Maybe thats the purpose - to create chaos. Ordo ab Chao?

Tough call, this one.

Wikileaks have my support, it was only today that the US are calling to designate Wikileaks as a terrorist organization.

What happened to the nation of free speech, what happened to the precious amendments that the country was built upon, Wikileaks seeks to provide transparency, If they are so afraid of their dirty laundery being displayed then maybe they should stop conducting shady back room deals with countries they condemn in public and shake hands with in the shadows.

Democracy has been dead for a long time, we all know that...but for those still under the pretense their freedoms are defended and their humans rights protected this will come as a stark reminder than the world that they live in is one formed from corruption and greed.

There WILL be be victims from this, people will lose jobs, some may even lose their life, but does freedom and truth not cost? at least that is what America has been telling us for the past few decades.

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1st, thank you again Airspoon for bringing this information.
2nd, I'm very distraught over all of this, pertaining to this topic. I was interested in the leak, and it turned out to be propaganda and Iran hatred. It seemed so staged..

I will need more time to collect my thoughts and composure. I will re read your thread, and a little more independently, but wiki may be a disappointment. I argued sort of, with someone yesterday, defending wl, and I may have to apologize.

be back
enjoy

I have not read your post yet but from the first few lines I know I will enjoy it. I will mention one thing about the media whether Im right or wrong. I know in the past they have ignored certain subjects etc, but one reason why they may be all over this is because there is nothing to hide. They know people will have access to it so why try and cover it up on the news?

I think Wikileaks is nothing but a calculated and co-ordinated assault on our minds. Vastly powerful and highly intelligent people have taken turns keeping the rest of us in check throughout history, and the best of them had us convinced that it wasn´t even happening. The defense mechanisms in place to preserve their wealth and power are in direct proportion to their lunacy and evil. Meaning almost impenetrable. But more worrying still, unfathomable.

Unless of course there was a shift in consciousness on a global scale... At which point they would have to infiltrate and crush it before it reached critical mass. It´s not as if grotesque amounts of money have been spent on mind control research... Julian Assange is not here to save us, though he may well be mainpulated into thinking so himself. What better way to cleanse yourself in the public eye than to reveal selected garments from your dirty laundry basket?

Truth is something you have to dig deep, fight hard and sometimes even die for. It will not be offered to you freely! Certainly not in some tabloid rag along with your morning coffee.

If ATS was an accurate representation of the worlds population, we would have a darn good shot. Most of you have taken a look at the flock, then the electric fence and then made the decision to jump out of the pen! Such behavior will get even more dangerous as events unfold.

They don´t call it train of thought for nothing. A behemoth moving from point A to B along a predetermined path. Susceptible to derailing, hijacking and robbery

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
For all we know the whole wikileaks enterprise is a Intelligence Community/Law Enforcement front to ensnare Goverment and Military Employees leaking low level information and what gets put out from Wikilinks are things the government wants revealed in some larger waging of asymmetrical warfare, both domestically and abroad.

Very cogent point.

Consider:
Was it just "coincidence" that the US very recently announced the Cyberwarfare division was open and ready to go? Or that the government recently took down dozens of websites in a single day? Yet they can't shut down Wikileaks? Nonsense!

If they wanted Assange stopped he would be dead or discredited by now. If he's not a threat he's an asset.

Reasons for Government to use Wikileaks:
#1) To root out the disloyal in the government/military (get rid of real patriots that resist the NWO).
#2) Distract attention from something else
#3) To discredit various internet truth campaigns.
#4) To reinforce the government-approved views: Iran is a nuclear "threat", Al Qaeda is "spreading" etc.
#5) Create smear campaigns against anyone who the PTB deem a threat.
#6) Most importantly - to create a false need for governmental oversight of the web. You can kiss internet freedom goodbye within months. It's been fun everyone - great to know you! Ciao...

This is a very clever disinformation campaign that will achieve several goals simultaneously.

I find this extremely worrisome as I feel they are playing their biggest hand now.

In the disinfo war this is the equivalent of the naval bombardment of the Normandy beaches. What follows this is what will be truly critical.

Well done Airspoon!.
Regards, ATA

This is a very dangerous level "WL" is playing on. I for one would not want my fellow operators names to pop up in the media because of improper handling of sensitive information. Once it's out of the bag..... well enough said.

Thanks Airspoon.

I do not think Wikileaks are doing any harm at all. The reason why people feel uncomfortable with it is because they are not used to hearing true raw news / information. All Wikileaks does is put it out there.

I believe this may be doing more good than harm as this may pressure MSN organisations to run more in depth news stories that roots out corruptions and incompetence of government departments.

I love how some on ATS like to heap conspiracy upon conspiracy, it's like the forum version of Inception, a motive within a motive.

Perhaps Wikileaks are just trying to provide a degree of transparency to our governments, whether Julian be on a personal crusade or not I take it as i see it, no alterior motives included.

All this talk about the NWO is purely speculative and without merit, but as always the paranoid among us see it differently.

Great post buddy

I have not really thought much about WL in general or the validity of it but you certainly gave me a new topic to research.

You make strong points that make me think twice about what WL is claiming.

Too bad we live in such times, but I guess when in history was the governments ever on the peoples side to begin with?
S&F

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One of the dangerous revelations is that Islamic nations are not all on the same page. They all talk tough on the US in the media but in reality would rather our money and our body counts keep their Islamic brethren in line. When our brainwashed troops finally come to the realization that we are not in these third world crap holes for the promoted official agendas, no one will be enlisting or re-enlisting. You might think we have economic chaos now with 20% actual unemployment? Wait until the troops come home.

Here Here

Thank You .... AirSpoon! (no relation)

I have been waiting for a thread like this. and i think you nailed it right on the head....S&F!

Everyone seems so ready to take WeakLeaks & Jules @ their word. But like I have been saying from the get go... some things not right...some thing smells funny

Keep Writing & Keep Fighting

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airspoon i have agreed with you on about every post except this one. the industrial complex has become so powerful as predicted back in the 40,s that the truth needs to get out. just food for thought if our corrupt government had it so figured out why did we lose 15 missles recently and had 3 transferred then lost a few years ago. this bull that they keep secrets for the better meant all man kind is getting stail, and i for one want to know the technology, terror, and unknown that the powers to be hold, if your scared jump in my pocket airspoon i will take care of you

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Taking down a website that sales fake prada hand bags won't have the backlash that taking down WL would have.
Also you forgot something important. The government took them down, the people behind them will just make a new website ASAP. WL would just do the same thing.

I think PFC Bradley Manning would strongly disagree in your final conclusions Airspoon.

Soldier Ethan McCord strongly would also.
Daniel Elsberg strongly would also.

Originally posted by spoonbender

Here Here

Thank You .... AirSpoon! (no relation)

I have been waiting for a thread like this. and i think you nailed it right on the head....S&F!

Everyone seems so ready to take WeakLeaks & Jules @ their word. But like I have been saying from the get go... some things not right...some thing smells funny

Keep Writing & Keep Fighting

You are correct that "... some things not right...some thing smells funny"

I know from history past that when TPTB in BigGov don't like what you are doing and it is really unbearable for them they can arrange a "plane crash" or a "suicide" to resolve that situation. Yet here we have a person who can release docs marked secret with only a pleed from BigGov of "please don't".

Furthermore, who ever heard of a PFC (pvt first class) having access to a broad range of secret docs such as this? Who ever heard of the ability of someone in government employ being able to upload such massive amounts of data without anyone in charge noticing? Many had to be looking the other way for this to have transpired. Who were those in charge of this PFC and how has their military standing been affected? Hell, you mean to tell me the US boy scouts has more security around their docs than the US military has?

Yes you are correct it is a danger to national security. But national security is a danger to international security. Get my point....
Things need to be done different. We cannot keep going round the same merry go rounds...
Above all plz give me..
truth....