Wikileaks US Diplomacy Leak: Partial, incomplete, imbalanced and therefore plain WRONG!

I realize that the world is not perfect, and that efforts to try and make it a better place or at least understand it better are also limited and possibly flawed...

But what Wikileaks has done today, is partial, imbalanced, incomplete, and therefore WRONG.

Leak to us things we didn't know, such as atrocities in war, secret handling of prisoners and innocent victims, but this?
Telling us about the fact that a powerful country as the US has secret opinions and information from its government and other governments and personalities?

Are you kidding me?

I do not feel the World has been helped, the Truth has been helped, or that even the results will be of help to ANYBODY...

If Wikileaks had the true desire of doing something that could help people and how we are governed, then it should have gone to extensive lengths to acquire documents from OTHER SIDES as well, such as Russia and/or China, with all the difficulties that may mean, and then it would have been another story completely...

Because, maybe and for example, by focusing on the similarities and the common points, some real progress could have been made in terms of World diplomacy and relations between countries in these dangerous times...

But, in the multi-lateral, multi-axis world we live in today, to reveal what one side "thinks" ONLY, leaving out other opposing sides' views, Wikileaks has just fed US meat to its opponents and friends in the world, and that's about it...

Allow me an illustration:

This situation is akin to somebody with inside information, such as a therapist for example, revealing what I REALLY think about my wife and my family and friends at any given moment to all of them, and then exposes what I really have done and said in my relations and alone...(much worse actually, due to the multi-party nature of Countries, not people).

This is why the private, intimate opinions and information of a person and corporations are protected BY LAW, because not everything is to be known, and not everything NEEDS to be known by all, without discrimination.

By exposing our fears and questions IN PRIVATE to a qualified party, or friends, or trusted parties, we do so as to get somewhere, know something better, conquer obstacles, and in turn these processes can then aid our OVERT and PUBLIC efforts and life in general, or at least that is what most people want...

Truth then, is not helped in the above case, just as truth is not helped by exposing the inner workings of the US "private brain" while dealing with other countries, friends or foes.

Give to us what happens in WORLD diplomacy and its global dealings, not only about the inner workings of ONE SIDE, and maybe then we could have gotten somewhere.

Now, while the US government tries to minimize and repair damage, and the other interested parties try to maintain the leverage they were just given and defend themselves from future forced leaks, greater imbalances will continue to take place, making matters worse.

And, of course, don't expect that we the people will be told all about it... Secrets will go on, now more than ever... that's the point.

I never thought I would say such a thing but, to Wikileaks and Julian Assange, from a nobody such as I am:

Thank you for nothing...
The world is a worse place today, thanks to you.

America goes around humilating people they target, by means you just wrote about.

I don't think the governments of the world have the right to govern in secret. Secrecy is what has destroyed freedom around the world. I support WikiLeaks and whistleblowers. These leaders need to be drug out of office and prosecuted. They engage in crimes on a daily basis and almost never have consequences. Meanwhile they get richer and the people get poorer and Socialism is the worst form of government and the least free so there is no answer there. We just need to reveal everything and let the chips fall where they may.

reply to post by citizenc
I agree they should stop releasing governments opinions, but release information on many conspiracy theory's that circle the web.

These types of documents are not super classified or hard to get to. They are more like someone posting the content of someones email box. Opinions, thoughts and observations that would normally be only shared in private have been made public. This will cause some embarresment for US diplomats and solidify things people already suspected such as corruption in other govs making diplomacy harder to do. In the end it will make life harder for diplomats for a time and thats will be about the end result of it all. It makes interesting reading to general public but, in no way shape or form does it help anyone or reveal anything that people needed or wanted to know.

S&F ...I am not sure if there is a total one sided slant to the leaks as there are small pockets coming out ...I was waiting to see a bigger collection before making my mind up one way or another .I can agree with what you have said providing there not being the other sides of the story .I want to find say Canada talking to say Germany or Israel ..Without being able to be the fly on the wall we are the fly in the corner trying to not get trapped in the web .Did they [WL] give the code for the insurance doc's? ....peace

reply to post by citizenc


I've heard a similar defense previously, suggesting that this is only one side of the story.

However, there is no need to see another side of the story when you read objectives such as spying on the UN. The instructions issued do not require a response. They are instructions, not a conversation.

If we were reading excerpts of conversations only, then I would agree that they are taken out of context and cannot really be relied on for anything.
But to read statements that are self-enclosed, contain all the information needed, and invite no alternative explanation, then it is highly valid, and highly relevant.

I'll continue to look forward to the revelations being released. It's about time.

reply to post by the2ofusr1

.I want to find say Canada talking to say Germany or Israel

My point precisely... We know, we HAVE to know that every country in the world is engaging in some sort of "secret" action to cover and protect their interests...

But again, why only the US, why not other countries as well??

Unmask SECRECY, not US activities only...

The government represents the people.

The documents prove that.

The MSM programs the people with opinions held by the government that abuses its citizens psychologically.

Truth shall set us free.

Peace

reply to post by detachedindividual

However, there is no need to see another side of the story when you read objectives such as spying on the UN. The instructions issued do not require a response. They are instructions, not a conversation.

Question: do you seriously think that the US are the ONLY ones spying on the UN, or others for that matter?

Did you already read about China's attack on Google and the internet? Well that's a fact too...

That type of side thinking is naive and almost dangerous, because then we will vilify the parties we know about ONLY, with the LIMITED information we have access to...

Common... If China, Russia, and other countries are not spying in the UN, NATO, and all over the spectrum, then the world is not the world and people are not people.

Truth has already shown us that Hillary ordered illegal actions against the UN. This is just the peak of the iceberg. We wont know the full extent of this revalation untill we get the whole bunch of cables. For now it's just something that the papers are interested in.
Also wikileaks isn't just US. This particular whistle blower was. There's tons of stuff from all around the world. Maybe some day we can get similar cables from other countries too. I sure as hell hope so.
And this day should be marked as an annual holiday from now on, the wikileaks day

Originally posted by citizenc
reply to post by the2ofusr1

 

.I want to find say Canada talking to say Germany or Israel

My point precisely... We know, we HAVE to know that every country in the world is engaging in some sort of "secret" action to cover and protect their interests...

But again, why only the US, why not other countries as well??

Unmask SECRECY, not US activities only...

Because these are US secrets.
Every other country has the same thoughts and does equally dodgy deals but we do not have access to those documents.

The only reason these documents made it out is because of the new policies of information sharing brought in by the Bush administration as a direct result of 9/11.

What is WL supposed to do, sit on all of this until they have similar leaks from another country?
Ask other nations to share their sensitive information to "even out" the embarrassment?

In an ideal world we would see secrets from all nations. This isn't an ideal world and leaking of information is not timed to coordinate with other whistle-blowers.

Originally posted by citizenc
I realize that the world is not perfect, and that efforts to try and make it a better place or at least understand it better are also limited and possibly flawed...

But what Wikileaks has done today, is partial, imbalanced, incomplete, and therefore WRONG.

Leak to us things we didn't know, such as atrocities in war, secret handling of prisoners and innocent victims, but this?
Telling us about the fact that a powerful country as the US has secret opinions and information from its government and other governments and personalities?

Are you kidding me?

I do not feel the World has been helped, the Truth has been helped, or that even the results will be of help to ANYBODY...

If Wikileaks had the true desire of doing something that could help people and how we are governed, then it should have gone to extensive lengths to acquire documents from OTHER SIDES as well, such as Russia and/or China, with all the difficulties that may mean, and then it would have been another story completely...

Because, maybe and for example, by focusing on the similarities and the common points, some real progress could have been made in terms of World diplomacy and relations between countries in these dangerous times...

But, in the multi-lateral, multi-axis world we live in today, to reveal what one side "thinks" ONLY, leaving out other opposing sides' views, Wikileaks has just fed US meat to its opponents and friends in the world, and that's about it...

Allow me an illustration:

This situation is akin to somebody with inside information, such as a therapist for example, revealing what I REALLY think about my wife and my family and friends at any given moment to all of them, and then exposes what I really have done and said in my relations and alone...(much worse actually, due to the multi-party nature of Countries, not people).

This is why the private, intimate opinions and information of a person and corporations are protected BY LAW, because not everything is to be known, and not everything NEEDS to be known by all, without discrimination.

By exposing our fears and questions IN PRIVATE to a qualified party, or friends, or trusted parties, we do so as to get somewhere, know something better, conquer obstacles, and in turn these processes can then aid our OVERT and PUBLIC efforts and life in general, or at least that is what most people want...

Truth then, is not helped in the above case, just as truth is not helped by exposing the inner workings of the US "private brain" while dealing with other countries, friends or foes.

Give to us what happens in WORLD diplomacy and its global dealings, not only about the inner workings of ONE SIDE, and maybe then we could have gotten somewhere.

Now, while the US government tries to minimize and repair damage, and the other interested parties try to maintain the leverage they were just given and defend themselves from future forced leaks, greater imbalances will continue to take place, making matters worse.

And, of course, don't expect that we the people will be told all about it... Secrets will go on, now more than ever... that's the point.

I never thought I would say such a thing but, to Wikileaks and Julian Assange, from a nobody such as I am:

Thank you for nothing...
The world is a worse place today, thanks to you.

I sympathise with some of the points you are making here. So far, I'm disappointed that there's not more in there which would help us get rid of these criminals. But surely Wikileaks can only publish what it receives? You seem to be mad that WL isn't posting about this or that - but unless I don't understand your point, if it hasn't been handed documents about other topics, how can it publicise them? As far as I am aware, WL does'nt go digging out information from anywhere, it just publishes what it's given.

I guess there might be a moral in here somewhere - if we want things to change we have to learn to make it happen ourselves and stop depending on others to do it for us. The question to ask ourself is perhaps 'What action have I taken this week to stand up to the criminals and help bring about their demise?.'

We are many, they are few, IF people overcame their passive apathy, things could happen.

reply to post by PsykoOps

Also wikileaks isn't just US. This particular whistle blower was. There's tons of stuff from all around the world. Maybe some day we can get similar cables from other countries too. I sure as hell hope so.

Again, I am repeating myself because this is the important point I'm trying to get across:

BALANCE!

Where is that info? When is it coming out? Will it ever?

Until now, the only holiday we'll be celebrating on this day is the Cake-in-the-Face on the US Day... nothing more.

Truth, or by defect, the closest that can be managed, is sought by taking into account as many sides as possible.

With only one source info as this case, this becomes just a propaganda act, because, although this info is clamorously important, it comes from one source only and speaks about one source only.

Not enough, and not right.

Just as I posted the full leak online now at cablegate....__._/

reply to post by citizenc


That you have to ask that question, answers the question. The purpose of this release is not to release information to the public rather it is to harm the US. I am not surprised.

reply to post by detachedindividual

What is WL supposed to do, sit on all of this until they have similar leaks from another country? Ask other nations to share their sensitive information to "even out" the embarrassment?

Maybe it isn't clear, so I'll say it loud: I'm not in any way defending what the US is doing that is illegal, wrong or immoral in order to protect its interests.

I am saying however, that YES, they should have and could have sat on this, until more information could have been available for a deeper, more balanced expose.

It's like a reporter investigating on the secret dealings between two or more corporations. Since, for the time being, he could only get documentation on one particular side, he goes ahead and publishes that only, without concern or care for what would have been the balanced, more in depth report with information also from more sides.

It is of no good that we speculate any more what other countries do or not. Now they'll know how and where it hurts, at the expense of the US and their allies interests that will be damaged.

By the way, in your other point, if this were only about embarrassment, then honestly I think that many of us would be taking it way more lightly.

I fear, however, that there will be serious consequences as a result of this stunt. To be seen.

Originally posted by citizenc
Thank you for nothing...
The world is a worse place today, thanks to you.

So, you have a problem with this release of information, but not the release of the Iraq/A-stan info?

Jeebus.....

Anyway, WL released all of this info because he has some sort of hard-on against the US. It's not about truth, justice and freedom. It's about giving a black eye to the US.

If he got anything similiar about China, Iran, Russia, I seriously doubt he'd release it. He knows he'd be trying on a pair of cement shoes or be a victim of Ricin poisoning.

Wikileaks hasn't produced anything of imporance with this stuff.
Nothing earthshattering has come out of it.
They produce paperwork that says the US is spying on other countries and on the UN.
That the US is gathering info on foreign leaders.

SO WHAT? EVERYONE is doing it. Everyone.

Anyone who thinks the US is the only country to be spying on other countries is NAIVE.
If America didn't spy on other countries, then those countries would get the upper hand
and destroy America.

That's how it works. Spying is self defense and necessary.

And America isn't the only country to be doing it.

Originally posted by PsykoOps
Truth has already shown us that Hillary ordered illegal actions against the UN.

She wanted the UN spied on. That's SMART. The UN is a corrupt cesspool and can't be trusted. It is notoriously anti-American as well. For her to say that she wanted what was going on in the UN spied on ... that just raised her up a few notches in my eyes. She's smart. Heck .. the entire planet should be spying on what the UN does. Perhaps if they knew they were being observed, they wouldn't have been involved in so many scandels and perhaps then they'd actually do something good for a change.