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Originally posted by edmc^2
Love, sense of Justice, Mercy and Power - along with kindness and other beautiful traits. No other creation on earth posses these attributes - thus we are made in his image.
Originally posted by edmc^2
Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by edmc^2
The bible is accurate?? Maybe there's some stuff in there that is, just like Spiderman has some accurate descriptions of NYC...but crucial things such as genesis (we know humans didn't just pop up in their current form), the global flood (apart from having no evidence, it's also physically impossible), and people living in whales (do I really have to go there) for days are total hogwash.edit on 1-12-2010 by MrXYZ because: (no reason given)edit on 1-12-2010 by MrXYZ because: (no reason given)
MrXYZ, may I suggest to stick to reality - no comic strips please.
ciao,
edmc2
research is tedious but fun.
Originally posted by edmc^2
Consider, not only the fruits and vegetables we consume keeps us alive and healthy but they are also delicious. Why the taste? Evolution has no satisfactory answer other than it evolved. If so, why is there taste in the first placed? We can survive without the sweetness of a mango fruit, but why is it there? There are animals that are alive and can eat food without taste. We too can do that, but what kind of existence will it be? So it's a gift from the Creator of life. It was there to not only keep us alive but to enjoy life. Of course, due to man's disobedience, here we are in a dying state.
Now notice these list - where the nutrients to sustain man comes from, proving that man was indeed "from the the dust of the ground": . . .
Love, sense of Justice, Mercy and Power - along with kindness and other beautiful traits. No other creation on earth posses these attributes - thus we are made in his image.
Originally posted by Seed76
The answer to your question, is simple if you summarize the more significant points of the two worldviews.
Naturalistic worldview
1.We assert the material universe is all there is.
2.We are molecular entities that have grown over millions of years through the mechanism of random mutations and natural selection.
3.Choice is ultimately an illusion as all our actions are functional responses to changing molecular configurations in our brains. Every choice, every assertion is a product of the past.
4.Values, beauty, hope, truth survive as ideas only so far as they help us survive.
Everything of supposed value in this world is ultimately a product of molecular motion. There are no absolute consequences, only "survival values".
5.The only permissible universe is one that can be measured.
A hypothetical, invisible universe inhabited by spiritual beings is dismissed as superstitious folly and precluded from academic discussion.
6.The "anthropic principle" is explained by postulating millions of parallel or sequential invisible, immeasurable universes, each run under random arrangements of natural law. We can then claim that the optimal interrelations in our universe are unsurprising - we simply would not be able to observe them anywhere else.
7.Focus on getting the maximum out of life because life is short.
When life ends, the lights go out. "Near death" experiences are dismissed as medical anomalies.
Biblical worldview
1.God is infinite, transcending both time and space.
2. We are made in His image, making us of infinite worth to Himself. He records every word we say and knows the number of hairs on our head.
3. Although we rebelled against God and brought a curse of futility, pain and death on both ourselves and creation, God sent His Son Jesus to take the penalty for our rebellion - on Himself. This was done as a free gift, but one we need to appropriate for ourselves.
4. Behind every miracle in the Bible is a demonstration of God's willingness and power to reverse the terms of the original sentence that hangs over nature and ourselves - always on His terms.
5. Fulfilled prophecies demonstrate God's transcendence over time.
As we perceive a single moment God sees all of time - describing Himself as "I Am" - transcending time.
A practical consequence is Judaism and Christianity contain extensive prophetic literature, e.g. the crucifixion of Jesus is predicted in the Psalms
and Jesus' predicted both the fall of Jerusalem and the later re-establishment of Israel.
Fulfilled prophecy provides a logical foundation for assurance of eternal life.
6. The laws of the universe interrelate in a way that optimally supports life on earth.
The "anthropic principle" is exactly as expected: anything other than a rational universe would constitute a mystery.
7.Our actions are not pre-determined. Because we are created in the image of God our actions are completely free but carry eternal consequences.
8. Values, beauty, hope, and truth reflect absolute attributes that come from God and are available to enrich our present experience.
9. Sacrificial loving, practical caring should be our ultimate goals.
10. When life ends, the stage lights go on - we meet the Author of Life.
So in my humble opinion the answer is just an implicit or explicit "leap of faith" with respect to one´s choice of worldview.
“I find more sure marks of authenticity in the Bible than in any profane history whatsoever.”
-- Sir Isaac Newton
Sir Isaac Newton FRS (4 January 1643 – 31 March 1727 [OS: 25 December 1642 – 20 March 1726])[1] was an English physicist, mathematician, astronomer, natural philosopher, alchemist, and theologian, and is considered by many scholars and members of the general public to be one of the most influential people in human history. His Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica (Latin for "Mathematical Principles Of Natural Philosophy"; usually called the Principia), published in 1687, is probably the most important scientific book ever written. It lays the groundwork for most of classical mechanics. In this work, Newton described universal gravitation and the three laws of motion, which dominated the scientific view of the physical universe for the next three centuries. Newton showed that the motions of objects on Earth and of celestial bodies are governed by the same set of natural laws, by demonstrating the consistency between Kepler's laws of planetary motion and his theory of gravitation; thus removing the last doubts about heliocentrism and advancing the Scientific Revolution.
Newton built the first practical reflecting telescope[7] and developed a theory of colour based on the observation that a prism decomposes white light into the many colours that form the visible spectrum. He also formulated an empirical law of cooling and studied the speed of sound.
In mathematics, Newton shares the credit with Gottfried Leibniz for the development of differential and integral calculus. He also demonstrated the generalised binomial theorem, developed Newton's method for approximating the roots of a function, and contributed to the study of power series.
Newton was also highly religious. He was an unorthodox Christian, and during his lifetime actually wrote more on Biblical hermeneutics and occult studies than on science and mathematics, the subjects he is mainly associated with.
“Fortunate Newton, happy childhood of science! He who has time and tranquility can by reading this book live again the wonderful events which the great Newton experienced in his young days. Nature to him was an open book, whose letters he could read without effort. The conceptions which he used to reduce the material experience to order seemed to flow spontaneously from experience itself, from the beautiful experiments which he ranged in order like playthings and describes what an affectionate wealth of detail. In one person he combined the experimenter, the theorist, one mechanic and, not least, the artist in exposition. He stands before us strong, certain, and alone: his joy in creation and his minute precision are evident in every word and every figure.
“Reflexion, refraction, the formation of images by the lenses, the mode of operation of the eye, the spectral decomposition of the different kinds of light, the invention of the reflecting telescope, the first foundations of colour theory, the elementary theory of the rainbow pass by us in procession, and finally come his observations of the colours of thin films as the origin of the next great theoretical advance, which had to wait, over a hundred years, the coming of Thomas Young.
“Newton’s age has long since passed through the sieve of oblivion, the doubtful striving and suffering of his generation has vanished from out ken; the works of some few great thinkers and artists have remained, to delight and ennoble us and those who come after us. Newton’s discoveries have passed into the stock of accepted knowledge: this new edition of his work on optics is nevertheless to be welcomed with the warmest thanks, because it alone can afford us the enjoyment of a look at the personal activity of this unique man...”
Newton lived three hundred years ago in an age of universal faith. He was also mentally unstable, socially maladapt and aggressive, and keen on alchemy and lots of other mumbo-jumbo besides.
Newton was also highly religious. He was an unorthodox Christian,
And all you can come up with is this?
Astyanax: Newton lived three hundred years ago in an age of universal faith. He was also mentally unstable, socially maladapt and aggressive, and keen on alchemy and lots of other mumbo-jumbo besides.
My trust and faith on the Bible as the Word of God does not depend on a looooong gone ark.
If you need more info about the Noah's Ark - it's all in the Bible.
What's your opinion of someone who calls himself a Christian, but does not believe Jesus is the son of god?
Originally posted by edmc^2
reply to post by WfknSmth
Q5: What are the chances that the writer of Genesis just guessed this order?
According to one calculation: the same as if you picked at random the numbers 1 to 10 from a box, and drew them in consecutive order.
The chances of doing this on your first try are 1 in 3,628,800! So, to say the writer just happened to list the foregoing events in the right order without getting the facts from somewhere is not realistic.
Originally posted by cxb450
Originally posted by edmc^2
reply to post by WfknSmth
Q5: What are the chances that the writer of Genesis just guessed this order?
According to one calculation: the same as if you picked at random the numbers 1 to 10 from a box, and drew them in consecutive order.
The chances of doing this on your first try are 1 in 3,628,800! So, to say the writer just happened to list the foregoing events in the right order without getting the facts from somewhere is not realistic.
First post. I'm not sure if this was addressed, but I saw that it was questioned. The calculation used for this was solved by taking, 10! (10 factorial). In other words, take 10x9x8x7x6x5x4x3x2x1 = 3,628,800. This calculation is used for calculating the number of ways of reordering a ten number sequence, using numbers 1 through 10.
Originally posted by WfknSmth
reply to post by madnessinmysoul
8x for Madness' breakdown of edmc^2's last quote-spam.
Point 7 appears to be like herpes in this thread.
Nevertheless, I bet more fallacies and misapplications are to come...
@edmc^2:
Your dust-idea really made me chuckle thank you.
The term "Dust" is just a generalization for particals in specific scales and says nothing about the minerals or whatever it contains.
I just read a fascinating article about how nutrient-rich whale feces are... (best bio-fertilizer )
so according to your logic we could also be made of spacewhale-poop
Just kidding.edit on 3-12-2010 by WfknSmth because: (no reason given)
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"Argument from authority" is an illogical approach to debate. -- Kailassa
"mentally unstable, socially maladapt and aggressive, and keen on alchemy and lots of other mumbo-jumbo besides" -- msAsty
Originally posted by edmc^2
ANyway, I find this fascinating, how come whenever 'people who believed in evolution theory' quotes something or provides a video link from someone - 'who believes in the evolution theory' and is a proponent of the evolution theory, 'people who believe in the evolution theory' assumes right away that the person being quoted who is a believer of evolution theory - is accepted as THE AUTHORITY - like a god?
Yet when I quote from an authority like Sir Isaac Newton - right away I get told that:
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"Argument from authority" is an illogical approach to debate. -- Kailassa
sup with that? - me thinks, that 'people who believe in the evolution theory' have a very weak platfom and foundation so they can't allow any opposing POV especially an "Argument from authority".
And if not succesful - destroy the messenger by portraying him/her as a:
"mentally unstable, socially maladapt and aggressive, and keen on alchemy and lots of other mumbo-jumbo besides" -- msAsty
Why is that?
note:
sorry for the long description describing "people who believe in evolution". I was told not to use the term 'evolutionist' as it is (I guess) offensive to 'people who believe in evolution'
Originally posted by edmc^2:
[...]how come whenever 'people' quote something or provide a video link from someone - 'who believes in the evolution theory' and is a proponent of the evolution theory, 'people' assume right away that the person being quoted who is a believer of evolution theory - is accepted as THE AUTHORITY - like a god?
Yet when I quote from an authority like Sir Isaac Newton - right away I get told that: "Argument from authority" is an illogical approach to debate. sup with that?