"How I Went Through TSA Security Without Being Scanned or Touched", page 3

posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 06:01 PM

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Originally posted by getreadyalready
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But even US citizens can be criminals and terrorists. There is a lot of danger in returning from a foreign country. Are they a spy or operative? Are they a terrorist? Are they bringing diseased plants or animals? Are they bringing illegal drugs? Are they bringing non-native plants or parasites, etc., etc.

er uh.. US CUSTOMS/FBI NOT THE FREAKIN TRANSPORTATION SAFETY ADMINISTRATION.!

Originally posted by getreadyalready
I am a US citizen, and I was actually concerned at how little security I went through upon my return. It would be a BREEZE to meet some cohorts on some Caribbean Island, collect some contraband, weapons, drugs, explosives or whatever, take them onto a Cruise ship, and then bring them back into the US. No problem, no risk whatsoever!

THATS the full time job of U.S.CUSTOMS!

Originally posted by getreadyalready
I actually interviewed with the CIA a couple of times, and I eventually got screened out due to my young family. I think they need more "forward thinkers" in our Intelligence Agencies! Instead of putting entire budgets in preventing what already happened, why are they not being proactive and hiring people to plan what "could" happen? Why not prevent the NEXT attack, instead of overreacting to the Last one?

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wonderboy2402

posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 09:52 PM

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Originally posted by ApostleTriad
That is epic. Truly epic. If I ever go to fly anywhere, I'm showing up hours early and doing that same thing. I'm not having an x-ray nor touching of the genitalia. Thank you for the post!

I believe he was returning from France and was in Cincinnati... He was just trying to leave the airport to return home. Not sure they would let you board if you were flying somewhere though.

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InnerTruths

posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 10:35 PM

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If I as a Canadian citizen have to make a connection in say Chicago, to make a flight to Europe, would I have to go through these back scatters or be groped? This is making me very anxious about my upcoming trip to see my family.

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dbloch7986

posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 10:39 PM

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This is awesome! It just goes to show all it takes is a little bit of patience and standing up for yourself and you can make sure your constitutional rights stay in place. I am very happy to see this. I hope someone finally does slip up and state it is mandatory so this can be taken to the supreme court. These people are not Nazis yet. Our justice system and constitution are still in place for now. Until those disappear we will be able to stand up to these power hungry people.

Hocus-Focus

posted on Nov, 23 2010 @ 10:45 PM

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Xcellent! It is truly a breath of fresh air to have a sane and logical approach to the insane way this is going down.
It is sad though that the time constraint is what makes most of this hard to do.
But...is a few hours worth your freedoms? I would hope the answer would be obvious.

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I.T.S.U.

posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 12:04 AM

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Wanted to start topic, but not enough posts. Going back to what another poster said earlier about drugs being imported into USoA. Bit off topic so apologizes first. A friend and former roommate is in the airforce as a loader/unloader of cargo planes, was stationed in North Carolina before being deployed to Afganiscan't-win. Planes routinely land at such airbase with guard cover as pallets are unloaded from said planes. Being a former dealer as he and I, he KNEW what was being off loaded from Columbia. There main export. Cocaine. Now while this venture is off topic somewhat it goes to show you that the government like parents have the same motto. Do as I say, not as I do.

I'm about to fly from 400 miles from California to California and will be arriving early to see if they put me through such interrogation as I'm tired of seeing my individual rights eroded for nonsense claims. Since coming to ATS have spent hours researching claims found herein and thought about ideas to overturn said powers that hold us back. Still searching, wondering, hoping. Doesn't really matter to most, just another episode of Dancing with the Sluts er Stars.

Outofbox

posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 12:12 AM

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In addition to this information I would like to pass this dangerous health hazard to all. The reuse of the TSA agents gloves and spread what ever your mind can think up. Good luck to all who travel and stay healthy if you can.I hope this becomes a thread as I can not create one yet. More info in link.
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randomname

posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 12:27 AM

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he should sue the government if he thinks his constitutional rights have been violated. isn't there a right against unreasonable searches and seizure. searching someone AFTER they have flown and are in their own country is the definition of unreasonable.

i think these policy is more for catching drug mules than anything else. but since they are going to put so much faith in these machines, you could easily spread a thing layer of coc aine against your body in a pancake like patch and pass no problem.

from what i heard they can only detect hard edges and not thin oval shapes.

Alxandro

posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 12:57 AM

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That guy was too cool.
Extremely patient too.
If more people had the time to do what he did I guarantee TSA agents would be going postal at least once a week.

Lyrian

posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 01:15 AM

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Either way you look at it, the man was "held or detained" for 2,1/2 hours, if more ppl would do, or should I say could do that, the TSA resources would be sorely tested,,,,,and they would be realy pi**ed off!

shagula

posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 01:53 AM

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Originally posted by InnerTruths
If I as a Canadian citizen have to make a connection in say Chicago, to make a flight to Europe, would I have to go through these back scatters or be groped? This is making me very anxious about my upcoming trip to see my family.
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It's required on ALL international flights, incoming/outbound regardless if you clear standard security / boarding.

It's completely invasive and not required... take this as a point that the system can be beat, that it is corrupt and even the bosses behind it can't back it up aside from one single bit of script.

Security Officers my ass... like they'd know what to do in an emergency.

defcon5

posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 02:32 AM

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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

This guy only got away with this because it fell into a gray area. Obviously the building was built before all this security stuff became such an issue, and the customs area dumped people back out into the secured gate/terminal area rather then the unsecured baggage pickup area. That means he was stuck between the two locations, and technically the TSA could have continued to deny him crossing into the secured area indefinitely without it being considered “detaining” him. They would simply be denying him access to secured area, while not restricting his movements in the customs area, this does not constitute a detention, but rather a refusal to allow entry.

Because it was a gray area, created by the layout of the building, there was no legal recourse for anyone to do anything to him, other then allow him to continue to remain in the customs area until he got tired of it and decided to comply with the security protocol, or wait until the aviation authority built him a special direct access doorway/hall bypassing the secured area. In other words, they could have been jerks and just left him sit there forever, but as there were no specific rules to govern such a situation, they compromised and escorted him out while restricting his access to other passengers in the secured terminal/gate area (hence the ring of people walking around him to shield him from other passengers).

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

Azp420

posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 03:09 AM

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Land of the free?

Saw this image and thought some ATSers would get a chuckle.

DEEZNUTZ

posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 03:27 AM

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reply to post by defcon5

I'm sorry but that is still detention without cause. They wouldn't get away in a court of law with that reasoning. He had already passed through customs so obviously he wasn't a terrorist or his passport would have been flagged and detained by Border agents for a more thorough interview and possible arrest.

somewhereisthetruth

posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 03:28 AM

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Originally posted by Azp420
Land of the free?

Saw this image and thought some ATSers would get a chuckle.

It encapuslates our predicament perfectly.

Flighty

posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 04:02 AM

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What was frustrating to them, no doubt, was that he had no where else and no urgency to get it resolved.

It could be that there is a time limit on how long they can hold a person and this guy just stumbled upon it.

defcon5

posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 04:27 AM

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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Originally posted by DEEZNUTZ
I'm sorry but that is still detention without cause. They wouldn't get away in a court of law with that reasoning.

It’s not a detention, it’s a denial of entry into a secured area. It’s not the TSA’s problem that the building is laid out the way it is, it’s only their job to secure certain areas of it. Detention has specific legal terminology associated with it, and when he asked if he was free to leave, they told him he could go back into the customs area. If they told him he couldn't go anywhere, then they would have been detaining him.

This is the same as accusing someplace that charges an admission fee of detaining you for refusing to allow you to enter without complying to their rules for admission. It doesn't hold up in court.

There have been people who have been stuck in customs for long periods of time, not because customs was detaining them, but because they were being denied entry into the country. There has even been a fictionalized movie (The terminal) based on such a real occurrence where a man was stuck in customs for 18 years (Mehran Karimi Nasseri).

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

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mryanbrown

posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 04:50 AM

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You need to take it a step further. Instead of asking if you'll be arrested, aptly state:

"Unless I am under arrest or you have probable cause to detain me, then I am leaving."

And honestly, just walk out. The police need a warrant to search you, whereas the TSA relies on you volunteering.

And I would just like to reiterate that the 4th Amendment states probable cause is used to OBTAIN a warrant, not circumvent the acquisition of one.

defcon5

posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 05:21 AM

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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

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Again the problem is that you can only walk out into an unsecured area without going through the checkpoint. Because of the way this terminal was obviously laid out, that was a problem at that airport. You CAN be denied entry into a secured area for not complying with the requirements for entering that area. If the exit of the building is on the other side of that security checkpoint then you have to comply with the rules or stay on the other side of the checkpoint. If that means you are trapped in customs, well that is not the TSA’s fault, it’s the aviation authorities problem. In this instance he was free to leave:

So, am I free to go? Or am I being detained?”
Young Cop answers, “You aren’t being detained, but you can’t go through there.”
“Isn’t that what detaining is? Preventing me from leaving?”
“You can leave if you want, but it has to be that direction.” He points back towards customs. Young Cop asks, “Why are you doing this?”

Simply not through the secured terminal, but rather back through customs.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

mryanbrown

posted on Nov, 24 2010 @ 05:23 AM

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reply to post by defcon5

I may be mistaken, but I don't believe there was an exit out of the building through Customs.