N. Korea Crisis - Updated as News come to hand

Originally posted by Gazmeister

Originally posted by HattoriHanzou

Originally posted by Gazmeister

Originally posted by Rocky Black

So let me get this straight.

You test under ground nukes.

Shoot missle over Japan.

Shoot missle over korea.

South points in your direction and shoots into the see you open fire on civilians. WTF

Oh, but the liberal tree huggers and tin foil hat brigade would have you believe it was anyone other than North Korea behind it.

edit on 24/11/10 by Gazmeister because: (no reason given)

edit on 24/11/10 by Gazmeister because: (no reason given)

You're talking loud and sayin' nothing.

It is ENTIRELY possible that South Korea instigated this. You know this, I know this, and the studio audience knows this.

Merely being reasonable, and not reaching a conclusion until all the facts are in, does not make a person a liberal, a tree hugger, or a tinfoil hat wearer.

Merely by resorting to such poor tactics, you out yourself as at best, ignorant, and at worst, a POG "desk warrior."

Possible? maybe?
But we all know it's unlikely.

People jumping to the conclusion that it was SK/US behind it when there is absolutely no evidence to suggest it was, that is not being "reasonable".

And yes, liberal or tin foil hat wearers are exactly the type of people who come out with this sort of thing.

edit on 24/11/10 by Gazmeister because: (no reason given)

Don't be silly. All I am saying at this point, is that we don't KNOW who is behind it.

Nice attempt to paint me, but I don't think the audience is buying it. Didn't you learn way back to play to the audience?

Ten pushups for being so obvious.

Originally posted by HattoriHanzou

Originally posted by jonny2410
Surely SK could just be evacuating villages in case of any other shelling in the near future?, not necessarily preparing for war.

I won't pretend to have an abundance of knowledge on military tactics and theory so if anyone can provide some analysis on this news it would be most appreciated!

I doubt it. After all, there is always the risk of shelling close to the border.

I thought that I read on this thread that this the first time artillery fire has been exchanged since 1953.

Originally posted by amurphy245
reply to post by Everwatcher33

 

I live in the uk and i cant afford to travel abroad! i dont think travel to south is permitted but im not sure,its like cold war style east/west germany you would be considered a traitor no matter which side you move to.

Maybe you dont understand the situation from both angles,south koreans are rarely allowed to travel north,in south korea all DPRK books are banned,and if you show any support for the DPRK you will be arrested.

China is not the backbone of the korean economy,the Juche idea demands self reliance in the economy so although the loss of china would be a huge blow their economy it wouldnt finish them off.This was put to the test in the late 80s early 90s when DPRK was faced with immense challenges but unlike every other socialist nation that fell with the soviet union the DPRK got through it thanks to Juche and songun politics.

I do understand the situation, but you have to look at it from a war view. If you are at war (which they are) you wouldn't allow showing of support for the people you are fighting against. You wouldn't let people freely move in and out of their country. And yes I know how it was when the wall was up in Germany as I used to live there during that time. I know how people felt and I know what it felt like to be seperated from the other side. But you are right in a way I can't fully understand something because I have not been on either side of the Korean Line.

You can say that China isn't the backbone of their econ but without their help and help that has been given from other countries their econ wouldn't be anything at all. Their Juche and songun would only get them so far without the help of other people. Why do you think they try to draw so much attention to themselves and get foreign aide? They NEED those supplies because they are so isolated. While it may have served them before I think that they need China even more than they would admit.

Originally posted by butcherguy

Originally posted by HattoriHanzou

Originally posted by jonny2410
Surely SK could just be evacuating villages in case of any other shelling in the near future?, not necessarily preparing for war.

I won't pretend to have an abundance of knowledge on military tactics and theory so if anyone can provide some analysis on this news it would be most appreciated!

I doubt it. After all, there is always the risk of shelling close to the border.

I thought that I read on this thread that this the first time artillery fire has been exchanged since 1953.

No, this is the first time there has been damage to civilian lives and property.

Artillery exchanges happen fairly regularly. I believe the last big one was in 2003.

USS George Washington aircraft carrier are closing SK's sea territory. The situation either improve the tension or worsen it. We will not know until the follow weeks goes.

However, I just wondering the scenario could happen if NK feel provocation from US' carrier. They decide to use one of their nuke on USS G.W. aircraft carrier and send rounds of artillery toward city of Seoul at same time. What can the situation goes? Will USS G.W. aircraft carrier have ability to inception nuke missile then encounter NK's artillery stations, but if they didn't stop nuke and the nuke impaired the carrier and leave city of Seoul defenseless against artillery fire on them. That situation doesn't look good, but otherwise, I hope NK will back off and stand down.

reply to post by HattoriHanzou


Here is the video of Jon Spark's report in which he talks about the seemingly deserted South Korean border villages which he was told had been evacuated:

Link

I'm waiting to hear if any other reporter or eyewitness can confirm this report, but Channel 4 News are more trustworthy than most news programmes IMHO.

Originally posted by Aslpride
USS George Washington aircraft carrier are closing SK's sea territory. The situation either improve the tension or worsen it. We will not know until the follow weeks goes.

However, I just wondering the scenario could happen if NK feel provocation from US' carrier. They decide to use one of their nuke on USS G.W. aircraft carrier and send rounds of artillery toward city of Seoul at same time. What can the situation goes? Will USS G.W. aircraft carrier have ability to inception nuke missile then encounter NK's artillery stations, but if they didn't stop nuke and the nuke impaired the carrier and leave city of Seoul defenseless against artillery fire on them. That situation doesn't look good, but otherwise, I hope NK will back off and stand down.

The next big conflict will prove that aircraft carriers are worthless.

China has managed to get one of their attack subs within very close range of US aircraft carriers several times in the last few years.

In the future I imagine that aircraft carriers will be submarines with UAVs.

Originally posted by HattoriHanzou

No, this is the first time there has been damage to civilian lives and property.

Artillery exchanges happen fairly regularly. I believe the last big one was in 2003.

I tried checking that out but could not find any date where artillery was used in a hostile exchange for 2003. I did find one exchange between the Korea's here, but they only exchanged machine gun fire. I'll do some more digging but I'd have to say that the use of any kind of artillery against another nation, for any reason, would not be a fairly regular occurrence and constitute as a serious escalation in hostilities.

no more bombing I'm guessing, but what was South Korea's counter like anyone have details?

Originally posted by CT_Flyboy
The simple soloution is to put a Sniper team into NK and take out that SOB and his cronies once and for all. Easy to do and its been done before.

Yeah, but then they'd have no war to get rich on. This whole thing is (as we say in the UK) a load of bollocks! Just like this stupid missile defence system to protect Europe against non existent missiles. All being done so the super rich can get even richer by taking our hard earned cash. We are sooo ripped off by the super rich!

Originally posted by Regensturm
reply to post by HattoriHanzou

 

Here is the video of Jon Spark's report in which he talks about the seemingly deserted South Korean border villages which he was told had been evacuated:

Link

I'm waiting to hear if any other reporter or eyewitness can confirm this report, but Channel 4 News are more trustworthy than most news programmes IMHO.

Chased away by the soldiers, eh.

Could be bad. Typically there is no prohibition of media even right up to the border of the DMZ.

My best guess is the concealment of movements, or evacuations.

Originally posted by TSAisaSCAM
no more bombing I'm guessing, but what was South Korea's counter like anyone have details?

edit on 24-11-2010 by TSAisaSCAM because: meant south

Yeah, they lobbed a few shells into the ocean and then made the "shame shame" motion with their finger.

we need someone from south korea to help us out with the border situation. people are interested.

Originally posted by HattoriHanzou

Originally posted by Gazmeister

Originally posted by HattoriHanzou

Originally posted by Gazmeister

Originally posted by Rocky Black

So let me get this straight.

You test under ground nukes.

Shoot missle over Japan.

Shoot missle over korea.

South points in your direction and shoots into the see you open fire on civilians. WTF

Oh, but the liberal tree huggers and tin foil hat brigade would have you believe it was anyone other than North Korea behind it.

edit on 24/11/10 by Gazmeister because: (no reason given)

edit on 24/11/10 by Gazmeister because: (no reason given)

You're talking loud and sayin' nothing.

It is ENTIRELY possible that South Korea instigated this. You know this, I know this, and the studio audience knows this.

Merely being reasonable, and not reaching a conclusion until all the facts are in, does not make a person a liberal, a tree hugger, or a tinfoil hat wearer.

Merely by resorting to such poor tactics, you out yourself as at best, ignorant, and at worst, a POG "desk warrior."

Possible? maybe?
But we all know it's unlikely.

People jumping to the conclusion that it was SK/US behind it when there is absolutely no evidence to suggest it was, that is not being "reasonable".

And yes, liberal or tin foil hat wearers are exactly the type of people who come out with this sort of thing.

edit on 24/11/10 by Gazmeister because: (no reason given)

Don't be silly. All I am saying at this point, is that we don't KNOW who is behind it.

Nice attempt to paint me, but I don't think the audience is buying it. Didn't you learn way back to play to the audience?

Ten pushups for being so obvious.

edit on 24-11-2010 by HattoriHanzou because: (no reason given)

All I'm saying is if Britain, America or South Korea had intentionally targeted a civilian area people would be quick to condemn it and wouldn't even bother asking the question if they actually did it.

North Korea does it and people defend them, when they should be condemning them for firing over 200 shells at a civilian area.

Is it really beyond the realm of possibilty that it actually was North Korea?

Originally posted by Gazmeister

Originally posted by HattoriHanzou

Originally posted by Gazmeister

Originally posted by HattoriHanzou

Originally posted by Gazmeister

Originally posted by Rocky Black

So let me get this straight.

You test under ground nukes.

Shoot missle over Japan.

Shoot missle over korea.

South points in your direction and shoots into the see you open fire on civilians. WTF

Oh, but the liberal tree huggers and tin foil hat brigade would have you believe it was anyone other than North Korea behind it.

edit on 24/11/10 by Gazmeister because: (no reason given)

edit on 24/11/10 by Gazmeister because: (no reason given)

You're talking loud and sayin' nothing.

It is ENTIRELY possible that South Korea instigated this. You know this, I know this, and the studio audience knows this.

Merely being reasonable, and not reaching a conclusion until all the facts are in, does not make a person a liberal, a tree hugger, or a tinfoil hat wearer.

Merely by resorting to such poor tactics, you out yourself as at best, ignorant, and at worst, a POG "desk warrior."

Possible? maybe?
But we all know it's unlikely.

People jumping to the conclusion that it was SK/US behind it when there is absolutely no evidence to suggest it was, that is not being "reasonable".

And yes, liberal or tin foil hat wearers are exactly the type of people who come out with this sort of thing.

edit on 24/11/10 by Gazmeister because: (no reason given)

Don't be silly. All I am saying at this point, is that we don't KNOW who is behind it.

Nice attempt to paint me, but I don't think the audience is buying it. Didn't you learn way back to play to the audience?

Ten pushups for being so obvious.

edit on 24-11-2010 by HattoriHanzou because: (no reason given)

All I'm saying is if Britain, America or South Korea had intentionally targeted a civilian area people would be quick to condemn it and wouldn't even bother asking the question if they actually did it.

North Korea does it and people defend them, when they should be condemning them for firing over 200 shells at a civilian area.

Is it really beyond the realm of possibilty that it actually was North Korea?

edit on 24/11/10 by Gazmeister because: (no reason given)

edit on 24/11/10 by Gazmeister because: (no reason given)

Who in the heck is defending them?

Certainly nobody on this thread. Besides that, Britain and America consistently have targeted civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. We can't take any moral high ground here.

What you are trying to do is play people for fools, and steer the narrative into a comfort zone. People aren't as stupid as you might have been told. Say "hi" to the BC for me.

By the way, that island is hardly a "civilian area" as it contains a medium sized military post.

Originally posted by HattoriHanzou

Originally posted by Gazmeister

Originally posted by HattoriHanzou

Originally posted by Gazmeister

Originally posted by HattoriHanzou

Originally posted by Gazmeister

Originally posted by Rocky Black

So let me get this straight.

You test under ground nukes.

Shoot missle over Japan.

Shoot missle over korea.

South points in your direction and shoots into the see you open fire on civilians. WTF

Oh, but the liberal tree huggers and tin foil hat brigade would have you believe it was anyone other than North Korea behind it.

edit on 24/11/10 by Gazmeister because: (no reason given)

edit on 24/11/10 by Gazmeister because: (no reason given)

You're talking loud and sayin' nothing.

It is ENTIRELY possible that South Korea instigated this. You know this, I know this, and the studio audience knows this.

Merely being reasonable, and not reaching a conclusion until all the facts are in, does not make a person a liberal, a tree hugger, or a tinfoil hat wearer.

Merely by resorting to such poor tactics, you out yourself as at best, ignorant, and at worst, a POG "desk warrior."

Possible? maybe?
But we all know it's unlikely.

People jumping to the conclusion that it was SK/US behind it when there is absolutely no evidence to suggest it was, that is not being "reasonable".

And yes, liberal or tin foil hat wearers are exactly the type of people who come out with this sort of thing.

edit on 24/11/10 by Gazmeister because: (no reason given)

Don't be silly. All I am saying at this point, is that we don't KNOW who is behind it.

Nice attempt to paint me, but I don't think the audience is buying it. Didn't you learn way back to play to the audience?

Ten pushups for being so obvious.

edit on 24-11-2010 by HattoriHanzou because: (no reason given)

All I'm saying is if Britain, America or South Korea had intentionally targeted a civilian area people would be quick to condemn it and wouldn't even bother asking the question if they actually did it.

North Korea does it and people defend them, when they should be condemning them for firing over 200 shells at a civilian area.

Is it really beyond the realm of possibilty that it actually was North Korea?

edit on 24/11/10 by Gazmeister because: (no reason given)

edit on 24/11/10 by Gazmeister because: (no reason given)

Who in the heck is defending them?

Certainly nobody on this thread.

What you are trying to do is play people for fools, and steer the narrative into a comfort zone. People aren't as stupid as you might have been told.

Wait a second here where do you stand.

Also i just wanted to re re re re re quote that again.

Did North Korea acknowledge the counter ??

Originally posted by HattoriHanzou

Yeah, they lobbed a few shells into the ocean and then made the "shame shame" motion with their finger.

I'm edging closer and closer to coming to the conclusion that you've got a case of "diarrhea of the mouth" since several of your last posts have been claims without citation. I've searched for news attributed to your claims but I've yet to find an article lending confirmation to what you say.

Any citation confirming your statements would be a help to myself and others on this thread since you appear to be a prominent poster on this subject?

reply to post by SLAYER69


Heh, good re-re-quote.

I am a patriotic America who is tired of the psyops games that are perpetrated against the poor dumb public in this country.

It's one thing to keep morale up, it's another thing to just lie us into another war. In fact, it's close to treason.

reply to post by mistafaz



Yeah, it's easy to call names. I have provided a hell of a lot of good information so far in this thread. Certainly more than you.

Tell you what, why don't you get crackin' and post some good information, and then you can come back and try this again.

Or you can tuck tail, I don't care. But if you don't have anything better to do than bellyache and moan and groan and roll around on the floor, then please don't expect anybody to pay much attention to you.

On edit: What exactly do you have a problem with? Certainly my assessment of South Korea's response is accurate if not charitable. They are doing what they always do: stern words and no action. Why do you think North Korea has a ticket to do almost anything it likes?

On re-edit: There have been no claims of any damage to any North Korean target by the South Koreans, or the North Koreans. They are operating in an island environment, and while they fired some shells off there is no claim of any target struck. It is the MO of South Korea to trumpet and sing praises when they blow up a speedboat, so it is reasonable to assume that there was no damage done by their artillery.

So, again, unless you can actually refute what I am saying by citation, you are dribbling poop from your lips.