TSA: Travelers Who Refuse Scanning Can't Leave, Will Be Fined

Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy

Originally posted by destination now
Because the vast majority of people travelling on aircraft are not terrorists, and do not have anything to hide!

How are they supposed to determine who is a terrorist or not? Telepathy?

Originally posted by destination now
Security removing childrens clothes in full public view, removing a prosthetic breast from a cabin crew member and threatening anyone who objects to this treatment with detention and a fine? I have a serious problem, and I am not and never will be a terrorist and I pose absolutely no danger to any flight.

...again, how are the supposed to determine who is a threat or not? How are they supposed to determine who poses a danger or not?

The terrorists are running the world, world nappers/hijackers, and the ones with power, who incidentally are not your elected leaders, for they have no power, zero, zip!. And the little guy who looks like a terrorist is controlled by them, influenced by them, or works directly for them.

I will not trade chances of mishap for my liberty. I prefer my liberty.

I will repeat: I will not trade chances of mishap for my liberty. I PREFER MY LIBERTY!

So far, your chance of slipping in the bath and dying has greatly outnumbered your risk of dying from a terrorist attack.

reply to post by destination now


So you advocate discrimination, and racial profiling!? That is just wrong.

So much for the idea that "all men are created equally".

reply to post by Unity_99


Not to mention that rights apply to people not places. You do not lose your rights by simply changing locations. Furthermore a person who uses and/ or retains their rights can not be subject to any more scrutiny, detained or otherwise for simply using or detaining their rights.

reply to post by harvib


as do i. technically hes the DA elect, and wont hold office until january. but is currently a deputy DA of some kind and still has some sort of authority over the sheriff's.

he also stated that santa clara county's DA backs him up and will be doing the same. (thats where san jose airport is located)


it has been said that a handful of airports have decided not to participate with the "TSA". i was told 17 have already given them the boot. it might be helpful to find out which airports those are.

the airports voluntarily go along with the TSA, but are not required to even have them there as its a private business. that is why they threaten you with a civil suite, and require your cooperation to achieve said gropings/scans.

Originally posted by Unity_99
... but excemting Muslim women due to religion and only patting down their heads and necks while the NUN is NOT EXCEMPTED due to religion and goes through the whole sordid deal, this raises serious questions.

That's not true. That was a lie perpetrated by a conservative blog. The TSA is NOT exempting Muslims. You need to read the thread about it and find out the truth about that situation.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Here are the posts that debunks what your post says:

www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Here is the TSA's policy:

You are permitted to wear loose fitting or religious garments during the screening process. You may be directed to additional screening if your clothing (religious or otherwise) is loose fitting or large enough to hide prohibited items. If you are directed by the security officer to proceed to additional screening, then you will undergo a combination of hand-wand screening and/or pat-down inspections that could include any portion of the body and head area that requires further examination.

At any time during the screening process, you may request that screening of your person or property take place in a private screening area. It is our policy that passengers should be screened by a Security Officer of the same gender.

www.tsa.gov...

Please don't continue to spread these lies.

reply to post by Unity_99


With security, you loose some liberty.

Without security, prepare to have ALL your liberties taken from you.

Pick one.

reply to post by RelentlessLurker

that is why they threaten you with a civil suite, and require your cooperation to achieve said gropings/scans.

I believe you are right. That is why I hope someone comes along and post a copy of their ticket so we can figure out what is said in the "fine print". People may be agreeing to some of these measures by purchasing the ticket and the 11,000 "fine" is nothing more then a predetermined civil remedy for breach of contract.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


thats amazing that you know information of this caliber, as i would have thought it impossible for you or anybody else to be able to accurately depict a TSA agents discretion.

let me rephrase that.

due to TSA agent discretion, policy means nothing.

unless its policy to only select attractive women, with large breasts. and little kids that you know will submit.

i cant speak for every airport, but in san jose they just select whomever they want at random, regardless if you set off the metal detector or not.

Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy
reply to post by destination now

 

So you advocate discrimination, and racial profiling!? That is just wrong.

So much for the idea that "all men are created equally".

Not racial profiling, criminal profiling, I'm sure I didn't imagine the so called War on Terror to be specifically aimed at Islamic terrorists, this is what the whole issue was about right? 19 muslim terrorists hi-jacking 4 aircraft and using them as weapons?

And as I've stated before it only seems to be Muslims who are exempt from this...How is that fair, when statistically they are far more likely to be attempting to blow up the aircraft? How does that fit in with "all men are created equally"

Originally posted by RelentlessLurker
thats amazing that you know information of this caliber, as i would have thought it impossible for you or anybody else to be able to accurately depict a TSA agents discretion.

WTF are you talking about? I am not claiming anything about the discretion of TSA agents and I am NOT defending them. Not at all. I think you need to understand my position before making these assumptions.

I'm just correcting the person who said that Muslims are exempt from TSA's policy.

Originally posted by destination now
And as I've stated before it only seems to be Muslims who are exempt from this...

Please provide proof of this statement!

You are spreading lies.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


In the UK though they let a male murderer flee from Heathrow to Somalia because no one lifted "her" veil to check her ID murderer flees UK in veil

Seriously with some of the outrageous political correctness in the UK, muslim "women" are in fact treated with far more "respect" than ordinary citizens

reply to post by destination now


This thread is about the TSA in the US. What's happening in the UK is irrelevant to this thread and your post adds to the hysteria unnecessarily. If you're going to mix the US and the UK, make it clear that you're talking about the UK. I know it's different there and the government caters to Islam more than other religions.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


I think what they are saying is that TSA agents fear accusations of religious prosecution and therefore are not treating those of a particular faith the same as everyone else.

BTW I love your signature! It is spot on!

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


and im simply informing you that TSA's policy means nothing when it comes to who gets a groping and who doesnt.

i think you need to understand that if Muslims are being exempt, its due to TSA discretion.

you stated the policy as if it was supposed to re-assure everybody that muslims are not exempt. they dont need to be explicitly stated as "Exempt" in the policy to actually be "exempt" from enduring patdowns.

do i need to word it simpler for you?

Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy
reply to post by Unity_99

 

With security, you loose some liberty.

Without security, prepare to have ALL your liberties taken from you.

Pick one.

edit on 21-11-2010 by gift0fpr0phecy because: (no reason given)

Don't you worry, I don't think people will ever lose the liberty to hang corporate schills and foreign agents provacatuers who profit off of suggesting Americans should give up some liberties and attempt to terrorize and rob them in the process.

Your arguments are so commical that there is in fact no hiding you have a vested interest in maintaining this perverse and degrading system.

Whether it be for corporate profit, or political power, all such people, will eventually be held to account.

Please do understand that.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


I was replying in context to the question I was asked about how airport security can determine who is a terrorist or not, it doesn't really matter whether you are in the UK or the US and believe me, looking at the way that America seems to be going with the socialist agenda, trust me, it won't be long until you are the same as the UK. Nu-Labour started this in the UK in 1997 and now if you even question in an airport queue about why you are being searched but the Muslim woman isn't, you can be arrested and charged for racism!!!

reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy

Many paraphrased derivatives of this have often become attributed to Franklin:
They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.
He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.
He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.
People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.
If we restrict liberty to attain security we will lose them both.
Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither.
Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither.
Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security.

en.wikiquote.org...


That is the reality: since the trerrorist are the ones searching the innocent ones, supporting that may be at some point, be construed as terroistism... by real people.
The state department's admission they put the underwear bomber on the plane is ample PROOF of that.
Just bend over the turnsyle america, this won't hurt a bit

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Oh yeah, accuse me of having vested interests because I have an opposing opinion and viewpoint of the world. How very mature of you.

I can easily say you have vested interests too, look at yourself, you are supporting chaos and not order. You appear to be a provocateur trying to rile up hatred and fear of government in order to spark outrage and revolt. Well done.

Originally posted by watermama
I call BS on this one. I was just at the TSA website (look it up on Google) and it doesn't say anything about anyone being arrested. Also, yesterday the head guy from TSA (can't remember his name sorry) was on tv CNN I think and he said that everyone has the right to just leave so....

Just more stupid internet rumors being thrown around.

And yeah, don't you think the real news stations would be all over this???

I call HOAX as well...

Modern Academia you should know better than to post something like this especially when it flies in the face of what the TSA is saying through all of their legitimate mouthpieces..