TSA gropes young boy's testicles while he is strip searched in front of everyone

Originally posted by laiguana
And you should also prepare yourself for cavity searches within the next year or so. I hope that's up your ally

I think that's exactly where a cavity search is, right up our alleys.

reply to post by ericsnow


What concerns me is your inaccurate "they're arresting a kid?" no.. they were searching him.. as many undergo random searches.... I think you are alluding to the fact that they are groping him... NO they are doing a standard search...I am more concerned with what you want to see... or what your projecting. I would be more concerned about observational skills, NOTHING you have stated is TRUE in this video. JUST SAYIN...

just skimmed through some of the post..appalled

There is NO reason...NONE for making a little boy take his shirt off in public, and anyone that doesn't notice the invasive pat down is blind stupid or posting here on behalf of the industry the ptb or whatever.

This is not making us any safer and its ridiculous to think that it is, and I'm tired of people using the underwear bomber as an example..he didn't have proper paper work so if just BASIC screening was followed he wouldn't have gotten on the plane.

reply to post by Lostinthedarkness


Ben Franklin said it best: "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Is it time to resist?

Originally posted by tribaltrip
reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy

 

HAHAHAH,
Did you not say, they inform you?

Yes I did say they inform you. And?

Originally posted by tribaltrip
Now you are derailing your exposition!!!

Um, no I am not.

It is very well known that there is a chance for "random" pat-downs. They tell you specifically that you have a chance of being selected and pat-down. So you must prepare for both scanners and pat-downs. They tell you all that.

So... your argument is still highly flawed, and my position hasn't changed.

Originally posted by tribaltrip
If im not mistaken, you said they let you know when you buy your ticket, what you will be going through.

Yes, they tell you you have choice. Scanner or pat-down. They then tell you about being randomly selected for pat-downs.

So what are you going on about exactly?

Originally posted by tribaltrip
Don't start calling people morons because you were proven wrong.

I didn't call anyone a moron, nor did I call someone a moron for proving me wrong because I have yet to be proven wrong.

Originally posted by tribaltrip
As someone mentioned, the american ancestors would be turning in their graves, im sure the natives would be too.

You don't know crap about what the ancestors think. So don't even pretend you do.

Originally posted by tribaltrip
And what about the UN universal rights?

I thought they were inalienable, meaning for no reason EVER shall they be removed?

No rights are removed! No rights are violated! You willingly chose to fly on an aircraft that requires you to go through security. Nobody forced you. You forced yourself.

Just because the librarian tells you to be quiet, doesn't mean she is violating your freedom of speech. You must agree to being quiet while in the library, or you get removed from the library.

reply to post by tribaltrip


Yes, and surely he knew it was old. It had been cooking in a backpack for a week.

Hard to mistake sour milk...damn bastards

I don't understand where all of this seemingly impotent anger is coming from. I think, with some logical reasoning here, we all know what we can do to stop this. If the majority of people here in the U.S. are really upset by this, all we have to do is stop flying for a year. 1 year. That's all it would take.

Most of us don't have the time or money to take on the U.S. federal govt. But guess who does? The airline industry.
And they have lobbyists who will do the job for us. We don't need to make petitions that nobody in office will ever look at or take seriously. We don't need to make phone calls or emails that nobody will listen to or will have cut and paste responses. Just stop flying for 1 year. I promise you, the airline industry will spend and do what they can to get us back in the air and get us our rights back. Lets finally let the industry goons (lobbyists) do something that works for the people.

Originally posted by darrylss
reply to post by ericsnow

 

What concerns me is your inaccurate "they're arresting a kid?" no.. they were searching him.. as many undergo random searches.... I think you are alluding to the fact that they are groping him... NO they are doing a standard search...I am more concerned with what you want to see... or what your projecting. I would be more concerned about observational skills, NOTHING you have stated is TRUE in this video. JUST SAYIN...

Hello!!!.......HE'S A 9 YEAR OLD BOY WITH HIS FAMILY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hardly the description of what I have been brainwashed to believe is a terrorist.
WTH is wrong with people today, have we all been so brainwashed and disconnected that we can't see what is truly happening? Don't just look at WHAT is happening people...........ask yourselves WHY and where will it go now that this step has finally been accepted and accomplished? The absolution of one freedom has ALWAYS led to the sequential usurption of many more freedoms. Just ask yourselves..........40 years ago, what could you do and get by with it? What freedoms did you have, Where could you go or what could you do with minimal intrusion of government? Now askyourself the same question.....only referring to TODAY!! Who is benefitting, people or government? Who is gaining control and who is losing control? Ponder these questions, I need to say no more.

reply to post by ericsnow


I think we have a new terminology "Dumber than a TSA worker"

Originally posted by ericsnow
Obama stands by controversial air security screening methods

Well of course he and the congress that voted them in don't have to undergo them - they are wisked right by thge screeners.

Since when did it become "standard procedure" to literally have someone stand shirtless, literally half-naked while someone pads your sack in full view of everyone. One big 360° collaboration of onlookers for one embarrassing event.

Seriously. Completely removing articles of clothing in public? This is normal?

Well, f** anyone who says this is standard, you deserve a whopping slug in the jaw.

I just started a thread with a petition to be signed to end this TSA madness. If you are really fed up with the direction our country is going then please take a small jog over to my thread and sign.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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This entire topic reminds me of Rorschach tests which use inkblots for a psychological evaluation.

Psychologist: "Tell me... what do you see here?"

ATSMember1: "A guy groping a child!"

ATSMember2: "A TSA agent molesting someone!"

ATSMember3: "A pedophile grabbing a childs junk in front of his father!"

ATSMember4: "Child porn!"

Psychologist: "Hhhmmmmm..... ooook then...."

Psychologist: "And what do you see here?"

ATSMembers: "TSA gropes young boy's testicles while he is strip searched in front of everyone."

Psychologist: "Hhhmmmmm..... alrighty then.... You just may have issues."

Hello Everyone, this is my first post but I have been reading the ATS forums for quite some time, around a year and a half. I have read all 9 pages of posts on this topic (it will probably be more by the time I finish typing and submit my reply) and have digested alot of both sides of the argument/opinions.

Firstly, I do not believe the boy in the video was groped (with any sexual intent), molested or otherwise but I also do not agree it was right. I am not new to security, national security to be more precise. Quick back story on me; I am a first generation American Citizen, my father (born in a Nazi workcamp) immigrated to the U.S. with his father (my grandfather an officer in the Polish Calvary) after WWII. I started working and paying taxes since I was 15, and believe in hard work, doing the right thing (regardless of what others do, as I believe we are all responsible for our own actions), but also admitting fault when wrong.

I joined the U.S. Army in Feb. 2001 and served 3 years Active Duty, and 1 full combat tour in Iraq (in 2003), I landed in Kuwait before the Iraq War was even officially sacationed. I did/do not agree with the war and am a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War, but I still preformed my duties and obligations without sacrificing my morals and princibles. I swore a lifelong oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear truth faith and allegiance to the same. I have been on guard duty at my duty station (in Germany, Rose Barracks) many, many times; on a cillivian ocean vessel in route to deployment, and also in war zones. I have been told not to ask questions to just follow orders when questioning (in my opinion very questionable orders), and regardless of my peers supported me I did not yield. Sure it was hard (and at times I thought I might break) I was singled out, treated unfairly, threatened, faced numerous Article 15's. But I never lost rank or was detained because I never violated any UCMJ article, I did my job to the best of my ability and have earned lots of medals for that but I always got rank well after people who did far less and served far little time then myself. The rank did not bother me the physical punishment I did receive I completed with a smile because it only made me stronger and gain respect with my fellow soldiers wheter they supported me or not.

On Guard Duty/Security Detail we had to search many people and most of us did so with great respect to the person we were searching (strip searches were extremely rare as far as civilians were concerned, and only happen when there was a strong reasonable suspicion to do so). I can only speak for myself but I did not take great pleasure in searching anyone but in some cases (war zones and hostal areas for example) it is a nesscessity in order to know that an area is secure.

In the airport envirornment I do not believe pat downs and strip searchs are necessary at all, especially when a full body scanner is used, in my opinion metal detectors are good enough but the full body scanners are just an added failsafe. Now if you see something supicious on the body scanner or after a metal dection wand is indicating there is a questionable object on your pocession then and only then do I think a pat down and/or strip search can be justified. Even with that beening said it should be preformed in a private area with at least one unbaised supervisor present. Even if this was an adult in the boys position in the video I would still disagree with the search but once again let me reiterate he was not molested in the sense some of you are trying to make it out to be. The problem with most TSA workers and not just them, police, military, government, and many other workers is they are either afraid to speak up and just go along with the norm (even if they do not agree with it, [many reasons, some of us of in their exact same situations and positions might do the same), geniunly see no problem with their behavior (for what ever reason), or have aloughed themselves to be conditioned into believing it is the only way for us as a nation to be secure, they are lots of other reasons I can think of and plenty I have yet to but I will leave stop with that).

Every single citizen of the United States is responsible for our nations security, or at least should have that mindset but that does not mean we all need to sacrifice privacy, digity, and have to feel uneasy in the process. We need to start by policing ourselves and getting each others backs, regardless of political beliefs, reglion, race, sex, age, status, social grouping. We may discover that not only can we be a strong and secure nation, we can also be a tolerent and excepting one. Let's start living by the old saying "United we stand, divided we fall" not just wearing the t-shirt or having the bumper sticker.

No one should have to live in fear and too much of the information the media and the government put out is designed to instill just that. Yes there is violence in the world, yes some people are bad, yes there are posilbilities that terrorist (foreign and domestic) will seek out violence; we will never be able to eliminate that but we can help minimize it by leading by example. I belief we are playing right into that negative hand when we start looking at people and without even trying to hold any communication with them we assume the worse. I wish people would stop with the labeling (democrat, republican, liberal, conservative, zionist, hippy, etc..), it never helps you in your argument and it just further seperates/divides you from the person you are trying to debate with. Someone I respect once told me that as soon as you become hostile in a argument or a debate you have lost any chance to convince the other party; that same person told me thier is only one rule he lived by and that was to be a decent human being. Yes 9-11 was a trajedy but to go to war because of it was not exactly the best opinion, it would be different if we were being attacked no stop... hmmm.. let me us a anology since I do not want to have that start of a thought misinterpereted; if you are punched in the face for no reason and that coward just runs away, by U.S. law you can not chase them down and beat the ever living # out of them, but of they punch you and continue to fight you can defend yourself within reason until they stop at that point so must you. I know it is not the same as murder but the war on terror is not a war that you can win, no matter how many security measures you enact if someone really wants to commit and act of violence they will. The best we can do is just be aware of our surroundings and get to know the people you fear with reason, like neighborhood watch but a national watch.


Sorry for such a long post and jumping all over the place hopefully I have more time to contribute to ATS. (I need to learn how to add line breaks, among other things) I did not mean to offend anyone but we need to start looking at alot of issues as shades of grey not black and white. Before we allow our own personal fears and lack of knowledge to spread like cancer we need to make informed disicions and start to look at sitiuations from all views and angles. P.S. my intent was not to sound preachy or self rightgious as I know it my seem at points, I have plenty of my own faults and by know means am perfect. Mods please let me know if there is anything that I have done improperly so I can make sure I do not make the same mistakes in future posts. Thank you all for your time.

reply to post by darrylss


No Sir, they were undressing that kid.

Argue as much as you want. They were undressing that kid.

I posted this video on a different thread. Now, like I also said in the previous thread, I do not know the circumstances behind this, but what ever the circumstances may be, there is NO excuse...let me say that again....NO excuse for this. Whether or not they actually groped this child's privates is moot, the fact is they stripped him down in front of several people. I have children, and I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that if that were MY child, Momma would be sitting in jail right now and at least one of those TSA members would be sitting in a hospital. You wanna strip and pat my child down in front of people? You wanna strip and pat my child down, PERIOD? I don't think so, you can take your plane, your airport and your pathetic excuse for "homeland security" and you can shove it straight up your collective #'s. I will never fly in this country again. There is no where here I can not get to by car. I refuse to have myself, or my children subjected to this kind of thing. People that think this is ok, wake up! This is not now, nor has it ever been, OK.


They are now, and have been, using the events of 9/11 as a fear tactic to try and make everyone believe that crap like this is ok, and all done in the name of "homeland security". It's a joke. The sad part is, most of the sheeple Americans buy into the bull and we let them get away with it! The foundations of this once great country were put into play "By the People, For the People"..it's about time the People stop being the Sheeple and take it all back and let them know that we want OUR country back, before it's too late.....if it's not too late already.

That is amazing to me. What's even worse is how everyone just stood there watching like cattle waiting to be slaughtered. No one did a God damn thing.

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN!

“In a democracy, the people get the government they deserve”

This is what all of us get for allowing it to happen. This is what we deserve if we do nothing about it.

reply to post by HomerinNC


What would happen to someone that said; "you may remove my pants and shirt but you will do it right here" Who would the law consider a sex offender, the traveler or the person conducting the pat-down/grope? Another question would be; "if what you are doing is morally correct and legal why can't we do this right here"? Though I am a senior citizen and my ego is pretty much out the window the challenge seems legit.

Peace......yak055h

reply to post by Aziuno


They took the boys shirt off. Big deal. They boy has the option to going to a private room. His father had the option of asking for a private room. Neither of them seemed to care enough to ask for a private room. So it probably wasn't a big deal to them.

The sweatshirt the boy was wearing looked twice his size. Baggy clothing is suspicious, not matter who is wearing it. It makes people think you are hiding something under your clothing.

reply to post by Miraj


Maybe you need to watch just alittle bit closer......!!! I'm half blind and I could see that scumbag put his hand in the kids crouch....I'm starting to think the government is trying to push us into doing something that could give them complete control.....Then the games begin.....!!!!Hahahahahaha "de oppresso liber"