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Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by GrinchNoMore
You can continue to laugh, and remain ignorant of science, and physics....(and risk having others laugh at YOUR ignorance)>..
,,,or, you can read, study and learn the science and physics. NOT just from event on 9/11, either. Do some research. Don't you remember that energy cannot be "destroyed"? It is always conserved, in one way or another. I forgot, also, to point out the heat of FRICTION< as part of the total overall, in the collapse sequences.
Back to the WTC....here, read:
www.911myths.com...
Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by Cassius666
Were plenty of things to burn
Fire loads were estimated at about 4 lbs/sq ft. In case you didn't know each floor of WTC was over 40,000 sq fr
Do the math if you are capable....
Thats 160,000 lbs (80 tons) for each floor times 110 stories times 2 buildings equals 17, 600 tons of fuel concentrated in relativity small area
In addition most modern office furnishing are synthethics which are derived from petroleum and burn with 50-
100% more heat energy per pound that organics (wood, paper cloth - 12000-16000 btu per pound vs 8000
Enough to sustain fires for long time - debris at WTC burned for 3 months
Here is enginneering report
Rather doubt you will read it.......
wtc.nist.gov...
Originally posted by benoni
was it yet another one of 9/11's "never seen before...never seen afterwards" coincidences??
All buildings have gas lines running under them, yet Ive never seen an accident site being doused with water months after the fact....
Originally posted by GrinchNoMore
Yea right, lets find some evidence of fires being started because of gravitational energy, or lol "kinetic".
Wikipedia: Fire Pistons
Rapid compression of a gas (known as adiabatic compression) increases its pressure and its temperature at the same time. If this compression is done too slowly the heat will dissipate to the surroundings as the gas returns to equilibrium with them. If the compression is done quickly enough then there is no time for equilibrium to be achieved and the absolute temperature of the gas can suddenly become several times that of its surroundings, increasing the original room temperature of the gas to a temperature hot enough to set tinder alight.
Ask a scientist: Heating from bending metals
When you work on the metal, bending it, the energy that you spent on it
has to go somewhere. It can either be stored in the metal or show up in
some form of energy. In most materials, the work (also called energy) that
you do on the part causes its molecules to rub against each other and
produce heat (just as you when you rub your hands against each other to
warm them). So, the metal gets warm. If you then leave it for a while, it
would cool down to the same temperature as its environment by giving up that
heat to its surroundings.
Ali Khounsary, Ph.D.
Thats quirky except they did not pull out burning plastichairs out of the rubble, it was the steele that was burning red hot.
Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by Cassius666
Thats quirky except they did not pull out burning plastichairs out of the rubble, it was the steele that was burning red hot.
You cant be that dense....
How do think the steel got so hot in the first place ? Magic? Pixie Dust?
How about fires.....?
What do you think fueled the fires?
How about office furniture from 2 110 story buildings...
Is reason did not pull any "plastic chairs" from rubble - one the building collapse chopped fragile items into small
pieces
Two what survived being chopped was then burned......
Had FDNY guy tell me largest piece of such debrsi he saw was half of telephone handset
Underground Fires that Burn For Decades
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Sometimes a fire just won't go out. Uzbekistan is home to a place called Darvaz, nicknamed by locals "the door to hell." It's a semi-underground gas fire that's been burning nonstop for 35 years. Find out why, and see some close-up pictures of this hellmouth after the jump, plus another fire in Pennsylvania that has also been burning underground for over 30 years.
Originally posted by Cassius666
There were not any open flames and admit all that rubble they would have had a tough time to burn for a month. Then there is the fact it is the longest structural fire by a loooong stretch. There isnt any building that burned nearly as long.
en.wikipedia.org...
Subsurface fires: Fires occurring many meters below the surface are a type of smouldering event of colossal magnitude. Subsurface fires in coal mines, peat lands and landfills are rare events, but when active they can smoulder for very long periods of time (months or years), emitting enormous quantities of combustion gases into the atmosphere, causing deterioration of air quality and subsequent health problems. The oldest and largest fires in the world, burning for centuries, are smouldering fires. These fires are fed by the oxygen in the small but continuous flow of air through natural pipe networks, fractured strata, cracks, openings or abandoned mine shafts which permit the air to circulate into the subsurface. The reduced heat losses and high thermal inertia of the underground together with high fuel availability promote long-term smouldering combustion and allow for creeping but extensive propagation. These fires prove difficult to detect, and frustrate most efforts to extinguish them.
Originally posted by defcon5
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
Originally posted by Cassius666
It was a subsurface smoldering fire:
en.wikipedia.org...
Subsurface fires: Fires occurring many meters below the surface are a type of smouldering event of colossal magnitude. Subsurface fires in coal mines, peat lands and landfills are rare events, but when active they can smoulder for very long periods of time (months or years), emitting enormous quantities of combustion gases into the atmosphere, causing deterioration of air quality and subsequent health problems. The oldest and largest fires in the world, burning for centuries, are smouldering fires. These fires are fed by the oxygen in the small but continuous flow of air through natural pipe networks, fractured strata, cracks, openings or abandoned mine shafts which permit the air to circulate into the subsurface. The reduced heat losses and high thermal inertia of the underground together with high fuel availability promote long-term smouldering combustion and allow for creeping but extensive propagation. These fires prove difficult to detect, and frustrate most efforts to extinguish them.As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.
Originally posted by 4nsicphd
reply to post by Cassius666
Math is just another language used to precisely communicate. A Schwartzschild radius, and the mathematical expression I used to precisely describe it, is the spherical radius to which a given mass must be shrunk, in a given gravitational field, in order to create a black hole "singularity. For example, to form a black hole, the earth would need to be shrunken into a sphere with a radius of about a third of an inch. I don't think the rubble pile was quite that small, and if you plug the values into the equation, it works out, after a lot of side calculations because the rubble pile wasn't spherical, that the entire rubble pile would have had to compact to the size of a small grape to produce the kind of gravitational field the OP was talking about. The pix I saw didn't show that.
I'll try to get a little less mathy in the future.
Originally posted by budaruskie
Can you imagine how future generations are going to treat us knowing that so many of us fell for something so obviously silly? I can hear it now, "Really Dad, you thought planes could knock down buildings they didn't even hit? Where are the other planes or Bin Laden...oh yeah that's right they flew his family out of the country because they were such good friends with the President." That alone is enough to never ever trust someone's judgement ever again. We will be known as the most naive, selfish, and ridiculous generation in human history.
Originally posted by Cassius666
Have a good read
www.amazon.de...
www.youtube.com...
www.youtube.com...
But dont trust just those guys, go ahead and ask these slimy evil jewhating truthers what they have going for them.
firefightersfor911truth.org...
Originally posted by Cassius666
But if you want to go on believing, that for the only time in human history high rise steele structures were collapsed by fire go right ahead.
Originally posted by Cassius666
Also you guys are HIGHJACKING MY THREAD AND I WONT HAVE IT. If you want to discuss something unrelated to the thred title, please do so in your own thread.
We all let out a collective sigh.
We all laughed a little and further went on to discover his area of expertise as having to do with theology.
we immediately knew the dreaded secret of his...he was a truther!
So then we discussed it and I stepped up to the plate immediately being infuriated at the blatant misconceptions, lies, and misinformation this dangerous individual spread.
That is because these truther theories this guy spews have been debunked, are illogical, and have no evidence backing them.
First it presumes that the government sits down somewhere and plots to kill Americans on American soil for selfish reasons and that this word carries weight all the way down through the people who are supposed to rig an entire building or two full of explosives without any whistleblowers or moral objectionists.
Not only does this go against most humans' ethics it also goes against history's documentation of whistleblowers for every little event and for one this large it is absolutely unbelievable there can be no whistleblowers or people could practically set this up without anyone noticing.
Oh it wasnt severed gas lines of a sudden? Glad we got that out of the way.
The steele itself was red hot, because it was reacting with something. I cant recall having seen any kind of flame as they dug up the rubble. Chairs paper plastic as the combustible material, your theory just does not hold water. The idea alone to compare a cave that consists of combustible material to a pit full of steele mostly and wet paper in November... But if you think you can produce a picture that shows flames glowing underneath the rubble go right ahead. And I dont know at what temperatures office furniture burns, but I really doubt it burns as high as the temperatures measured. Given the fact that burning paper and burning plastic would produce large ammount of black smoke and a distinct smell of petroleum and not burn hot enough to melt steele, can we move on?
Now if you all can take off your tinfoil hats for a second, I am curious about that Nanothermite they found. How is it different than regular Thermite, what can it do