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"The internet is a viable medium for effecting dramatic change in the physical world”
The dramatic effects of the internet on our world are
apparent in every facet of the developed society.
I readily concede that the internet has already
resulted in a dramatic change to our society
1. Of or relating to drama or the theater.
2. Characterized by or expressive of the action or emotion associated with drama
3. Arresting or forceful in appearance or effect
With the announcement made on 5 August 2010 by Joe Hockey that the Coalition parties will not vote in favour of the policy should the Labor party be re-elected, it is now virtually impossible for the filtering scheme to pass through the Senate.
I contend that for the purposes of this debate the internet is synonymous with the “World Wide Web.”
One can spend but a few minutes on the internet to realize that miscommunications,
misrepresentations, and outright lies are still leading to violence and strife. I appreciate
my opponent’s addition of this example and I will refer back to it often.
I will also refer often to the many vices and potential crimes the internet has created.
it is now a huge marketing and commerce tool.
1. Of or relating to drama or the theater.
2. Characterized by or expressive of the action or emotion associated with drama
3. Arresting or forceful in appearance or effect.
If you want your dramatic in the form of action and emotion, we can start our tour with Project Chanology. Basically, a couple people on 4chan decided to "troll" the Church of Scientology, and this led to years of very much physical, "in real life" protests and marches against them, as well as millions of people being made aware of Scientology via youtube videos. How did they make this happen? Simple: they announced and organized it all on an online image board. An online medium was used to organize the biggest thorn in the side that has ever existed in the history of the church.
If you want "dramatic" in the form of very real and personal experience of people across the world, simply think of how many grannies out there got to see their grandchildren for the first time via a picture sent through email. Think about how many soldiers at war are able to stay in contact with their wives through the internet. Think about how many people have met and get married to people they met online. Think of the 11 million people whose daily lives are ruled by how much they play World of Warcraft.
Google 17th highest market value in the world
Amazon: 101st highest market value in the world
Ebay: 217th highest market value in the world
These are internet companies. What goes on online has the power to make or break companies with more wealth and power than most small countries. Since the "physical" aspect of this topic has been brought into question, let me reiterate that: the internet is used as a medium for activities that have resulted in billions of real world dollars changing hands.
History of the Sears Catalog
The 1943 Sears News Graphic wrote that the Sears catalog, "serves as a mirror of our times, recording for future historians today’s desires, habits, customs, and mode of living."
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Fueled by the Homestead Act of 1862, America’s westward expansion followed the growth of the railroads. The postal system aided the mail order business by permitting the classification of mail order publications as aids in the dissemination of knowledge entitling these catalogs the postage rate of one cent per pound. The advent of Rural Free Delivery in 1896 also made distribution of the catalog economical.
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"Our trade reaches around the World."
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He placed the Graphophone in an office setting, and the optigraph moving picture machine appeared. Reflecting current events, the lantern slide collection included shows on the Klondike gold fields, the destruction of the Maine and the Cuban war
Can you name at least 5 changes in the physical world
during 2010 that were solely a result of the internet?
(Changes in temporary physical state of single person or
group do not suffice. A shooting star can do that.)
After the photograph of Said's corpse started circulating on Facebook
and Twitter, a protest outside the Interior Ministry in Cairo was the
largest in living memory against police brutality.
If social media in the Arab world were merely outlets for venting or "stress relief" -- as detractors claim -- then Said's fate would have ended with some angry comments on Facebook and a tweet or two railing at the Egyptian regime.
Instead, thanks to social media's increasing popularity and ability to connect activists with ordinary people, Egyptians are protesting police brutality in unprecedented numbers. On July 27, the two police officers connected to his death stood trial on charges of illegal arrest and excessive use of force. If convicted, they face three to 15 years' imprisonment.
2. Can you give any vision, direction, or suggestion as to how you would specifically
use only the internet to effect a dramatic change in a stranger’s physical world?
3. Can you state what makes the internet unique as a medium?
In my personal experience I have never been affected by anything related to 4Chan, or Scientology. I have lived in many cities, and I have never seen such a protest.
How many family reunions have been cut short
or preempted because a video chat would suffice?
My opponent goes on to talk of 11 million people playing World of Warcraft.
It seems my opponent has inadvertently admitted that the “virtual” world
has become autonomous and has no real effect on the physical world.
Let’s compare the internet to the Sear’s catalog! Would anyone reading this
forum consider the Sear’s catalog as a “viable medium for effecting dramatic
change in the physical world?” OF COURSE NOT!
If one could make the case that the internet still has potential as a medium
for effecting dramatic change, then one could make the same case for billboards.
seriously suggesting that temporary physical state changes in people or groups don’t’ count as examples of physical change?
roughly 10% of their 2010 volunteers out of a membership of 562 people first heard about and joined Liga after reading about it online.
I think the answer to your question is that I can't find examples that you won't be able to find a way to misrepresent, but if you're willing to be intellectually honest about it, it's trivial to find year-2010 examples of the internet being used as a medium for change.
Broadcast television, cornering nearly 60 percent of total political spending, will still be the undisputed champion in the political advertising space and may see some follow-along ad dollars from online combo buys from the campaigns. With 95 percent penetration, TV is still the fastest way to reach the broadest audience of registered voters.
However, there will be no corresponding bonanza for online media. We forecast online political ad spending will total $20 million in 2008, less than one-half of one percent of all political advertising.
I could, but why?
putting up a billboard with a message is
not “dramatic change.”
A case could be made that the internet is a
direct descendant of that Sear’s catalog!
First, I would like to point out the oxymoron in that statement!
How can anything “trivial” also be “dramatic?”
A 10% increase in volunteers
Was that a dramatic change?
4Chan on the other hand is entirely unknown to the majority of the world.
should we end the debate now? Has my opponent conceded that there
is not a single current example that I won’t be able to rebut?
that I won’t be able to rebut?
Sure my opponent went on to give examples in politics,
but where did the majority of political advertising dollars go?
May I point out that my opponent also entirely deflected my SQ #2!
Linking together a few hundred computers via established communication lines such as DSL or Cable or Cellular technology is different than utilizing the World Wide Web. Network computing is still growing, and it will likely replace what we currently know as the internet.
The real future of “dramatic” change is happening in a cellular environment
from user to user and among thousands of private networks popping up all over the world.
Yes, I gave examples in politics, but the examples I gave had nothing to do with advertising dollars. You're spamming non-sequitors.
And the millions of dollars that go into marketing and political campaigning would tend to agree with you.
40 percent reported no broadband or high-speed access to the Internet, while 30 percent said they have no Internet access at all.
Sponsored by the National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) and conducted by the Census Bureau, the survey found that most of those interviewed said they either don't need broadband or find it too expensive. Some said they have no computer, but many of those in rural areas reported that broadband is simply not available.
Over the past decade, Thomas Frey has built an enormous following around the world based on his ability to develop accurate visions of the future and describe the opportunities ahead.
This extraordinary book explains the engine that has catapulted the Internet from backwater to ubiquity—and reveals that it is sputtering precisely because of its runaway success. With the unwitting help of its users, the generative Internet is on a path to a lockdown, ending its cycle of innovation—and facilitating unsettling new kinds of control.
The Internet’s current trajectory is one of lost opportunity.
I'd be happy to end it right now.
"The internet is a viable medium for effecting dramatic change in the physical world”
#1: I believe this because it was new. A “new” girlfriend is dramatic. An “old” girlfriend just has drama! Entirely different, LOL!
I believe it is being replaced by other media. I believe it has been bastardized by corporations seeking to make a buck off of it. I believe it is inundated with information to the point of having no information. I believe for every decent thing about the internet, there are a dozen problems to block its effectiveness. I believe there is so much faulty information, hoaxes, and faux news that anything credible is discounted or lost in the sea of information.
#2: Network computing projects are not “the internet.” Linking together a few hundred computers via established communication lines such as DSL or Cable or Cellular technology is different than utilizing the World Wide Web. Network computing is still growing, and it will likely replace what we currently know as the internet. In my opinion, the “internet” is now a social and commerce platform. It will continue to be used much like the old “party lines” when telephones were an emerging technology. It is a nightclub, a Sear’s catalog, and a flashing billboard. Nobody is curing Cancer or mapping genomes on the world wide web, they are doing it in their labs, with their colleagues and they are utilizing several communication techniques to collaborate on their projects. When it comes time to publish their results, they will utilize a Press Conference, Cameras, Radio Stations, the World Wide Web, will be an afterthought, just like it was for political advertising!
Computational Engine for Genomic Sequences
Updates of sequence data will be retrieved through the use of Internet retrieval agents and stored in a local data warehouse. Most human genome centers will daily post new sequences on publicly available Internet or World Wide Web sites, and they will establish agreed-upon policies for Internet capture of their data.
Donate your computer's idle CPU time to humanitarian non-profit scientific research projects. Help find cures for diseases like cancer, AIDS, diabetes, MS, Alzheimer, or help predict the earth's climate change, or advance science e.g. search for gravitational waves, help CERN build its latest particle accelerator or Berkeley search for extraterrestrial intelligence
Nobody is curing Cancer or mapping genomes on the world wide web
Help Us Fight Cancer
Simply donate the time your computer is turned on, but would normally lie idle, for projects that benefit humanity. Like a screensaver, grid technology is easy to use, safe and free. When you are ready to use your computer, the grid software will shut itself off until the next time your computer is idle.
The Internet is a global system of interconnected computer networks
And "faulty information, hoaxes and faux news" can very easily cause drama,
According to the dictionary, change is to make the form, nature, content, future course, etc., of (something) different from what it is or from what it would be if left alone. Dramatic means startling, sensational.
This was a real pleasure to read. Both debaters were very competitive and consistent, and didn't bog down in sub-points. Both debaters had at eachother a bit, and I'm pretty sure LordBucket only came across as the one who started it because he posted first, so I will ignore the mutual charges of deception and misrepresentation etc.
Both sides were solid on rebuttals, though I would give the edge on that to Getreadyalready for very clever and clear analogies. MOST of the posts in this debate left me feeling like the poster had the edge. I had to call the early rounds a tie on substance even though LordBucket wasn't helping himself with his dismissive attitude towards his opponent's very novel and nuanced angle on the topic. Getreadyalready began to pull ahead in the middle, but then began to give way again towards the end. I'm can't tell you how close I am to calling it a tie. Alas somebody has to win this one because it's a tournament. Even though I think Getreadyalready showed some signs of potentially having more raw skill, his failure to sufficiently deal with the distributed computing point left me feeling like the internet IS a viable medium for change going forward. Winner: Lord Bucket
"The internet is a viable medium for effecting dramatic change in the physical world”
Well I was disappointed in this debate somewhat..
It was a wonderful topic and it appeared to me that only one fighter attacked the topic..
LordBucket
Getreadyalready never really entered the debate until his last two posts and by then, it was far to little, far too late.
This is a good example of why one should never make excuses about the topic, or his side, in any debate. It made getreadyalreay appear weak right at the start and sadly he never recovered from it.
LorBucket’s only real mistake was to respond to his opponents post as a concession and waste his time with that instead of continuing his Reponses.
Win to LordBucket
GetReadyAlready. This one was a real brawl, and Lord Bucket loses points when he uses as a reference the "Tv Tropes' someone didn't do their research" as link. GetReady gave a very convincing closing argument.