A really cool channeling about time and space (Archangel Metatron)

www.galacticfriends.com...


I just like that channeling. No matter what the source really is, it is quite interesting to say the least.





the cool thing for me is that after reading and listening to a lot of stuff from bashar, law of one (Ra), St Germain, Seth etc...you can clearly distinguish which source is genuine and which source is just "not clean".

The concept that the past is not fixed is also discussed by bashar often and they talk about that in the same way. I really would recommend people who think channeling is bull# to read something from seth (jane roberts) or the Ra material. www.lawofone.info... (all online).

if u did it for some hours there is no way (when u are able to understand the concepts presented there) that u are as sceptical as before. Just because u will have new concepts about the channelings and will digg deeper.

For example one thing u will know: the degree of complexity and intuitive truth presented there can not be expressed by someone who is not centered or who is not speaking from an integrative angle (or standpoint , i dont know how to say that in english).





more thoughts sorry:

there is one concept i have after putting so much time in that topic: there is no way ...really NO WAY that people like Jane Roberts (Seth) or Darryl Anka (Bashar) are lying deliberately to people in terms of their sources.
The next question of course would be if the source is really what the think it is. But even if it is not it is really interesting what the subconscious mind is capable of.

After having heard and seen more than 100 hours of bashar i can truly say: he did not hang loose once. One example of thousands->watch minute 6.21 www.youtube.com... -> there is the question if they in their system have something similar to what we call astrology....
u have to know: he never talked once about astrology and the answer is just (typical bashar) the most precise, integrative and simple answer i ever heard regarding that topic (that is the challenge to put difficult things shortly without making it to complex). I showed it a friend of mine who is really a pro in astrology and he was really happy to hear such a good definition of astrology.
Bashar does not stutter or think or have pauses. A lier would not be able to do something like darryl does.

So please to all the sceptics: be open for that stuff before judging. And if u didnt read much just stay open before making a judgement.

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Wow, l was half way through reading it to my daughter when she told me you were here on ATS. Coincidence or what. LOL. Galactic Friends is a fantastic site, been following it for a couple of years now. very informative. S&F. for you. Portals and stargates here on earth, incredible, going back to finish reading the rest now.
Peace and love starchild.

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as u know my avatar-> "The seeming contradictions of determinism and free will melt when it is accepted that there is such a thing as true simultaneity."

I'll just leave these here

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any more information?

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I haven't really done any research on Washintons metatron itself.
If i remember correctly the "flower of life" was found in the tomb of Osiris, at Abydos. The metatron can be deduced from the flower of life.

What seems most logical to me is that the washinton street layout was designed by a branch of freemasonry that was big on egyptian symbology.

I never TRY to offend anyone, so if I do, sorry. Took a few minutes to check out the site you mentioned and it looks more like a cult than anything else. They have taken lots of big scientific words, and strung them together with no regard as to their meaning. If it gives you peace, then by all means enjoy it, there is a definite lack of that in the world. But,to present these ideas as fact and trying to back it up with false scientific theory, knowing that a LARGE portion of their followers don't understand most of it, is pure commercialism. Archangel Metatron? Exactly where did that name come from? Channeling aliens from other planets and star systems? Hologramic inserts? A quote from the home page:" We assure you that time truly does not exist in the linear manner that you believe, beyond duality." What they are inferring is out of body time travel.So, apparently they have unlocked a secret of physics that the most intelligent minds on the planet have struggled with for years. IF all this is valid, then why has it not been excepted by the scientific community? To claim this is valid, proven fact, is pure nonsense. If these "aliens" really want to help, why not give us cheap clean energy? Things we can actually USE to improve our planet? Let me guess, WE ARE NOT READY TO DISCLOSE THIS INFORMATION. That's the usual line. Humans are not "prepared" enough which translates into, we haven't gotten enough of your money yet. Archangel Metatron? Please.

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Yeah, right now we don't have any evidence to validate the science of what he is saying, but does that part even matter?

A tree should really be judged by its fruit. These "galactic friends" channelers may or may not be bat-sh*t-crazy. But they're not telling you to worship anyone or drink poison kool aid, and their central message is empowering and love-centered.

So, although I'm not sure I buy it all, they're alright by me.

I have always liked Jane Roberts,
and really think she is genuine.

Bashar however... Im not soo sure. lol
I mean, when he "channels bashar"...
He does say some amazingly brilliant things,
things that only a truly enlightened being could think of,
So i have to give him that...

But still...
He just feels a bit... "off" to me, in his "performance"..
a bit "overly dramatic" in his actions./mannerisms.

So, His words make a lot of sense,
and I feel they are words that everyone should take note of....
But, his actions while doing so...
just make me keep that bit of "skepticism" about him. lol

I dont know if he is really channeling, or just a really wise, and intelligent guy..... lol
I think about 55-60% of me feels he probably really is channeling,
but the rest of me... still thinks it may be an "act" of sorts..

I also like B. Marciniak.

Jane Roberts and Barbara Marciniak share some incredibly wise, and intelligent things that I dont feel any regular person could do without "tapping into" something 'higher'.

Whether it be a higher dimension, higher self, higher being...
I dunno...

But it is interesting,
and I think it foolish for people to ignore the words simply because they dont feel comfortable with someone "channeling", or think it is "BS".

Even if the whole "channeling" thing was complete BS~
No one can argue with the wisdom that "it" seems to provide.
The Universal truths that are shared with us during such "sessions".

Thanks for the thread.

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"IF all this is valid, then why has it not been excepted by the scientific community?"


because we just start to understand that consciousness is not a product of matter. It "matters". The whole concepts u read from that sources need this paradigm to be understood. ANd of course there are scientist who already understand the validity of that information. The problem is : what u know as the scientific paradigm is a paradigm that is already outdated just because it takes a long time for new scientific knowledge to enter the mass conscious believe system.

My problem is i can not really discuss in a clear way in english as it is just too complex even in my own language to make clear how u can see the validity of the source. I hope somebody reads here that CAN discuss it in a complex way. I can not do that in another language. i just want to invite the sceptics to READ the seth material and some sessions here: www.lawofone.info... and watch some bashar videos as introduction (he talks about that stuff in the most easy way)

"To claim this is valid, proven fact, is pure nonsense. If these "aliens" really want to help, why not give us cheap clean energy?"

they give hints to that. (skip to the middle he talks how ufos function or gives a hint to that ).www.youtube.com... (we are for example just beginning to understand that the position of an object is a quality of the object itself and not something the object exists in ..do the scientists know that (in terms of quantum physics jes) but it is not common knowledge.
We just begin to understand that everything vibrates and has a certain frequency but we need more insight to use that knowledge to use it in terms of free energy.

u think they should prove who they are by helping us in a effective way but it is not that easy. Our reality is one of limitation and "learning by doing" this is the whole sense of this experiment and they will not distort that.
But of course this sounds like an excuse for u as u think this reality is one where we need help and need proves.

But to really understand that this sources are worth discovering i can only say: read more then a few minutes. (seth material, law of one ,bashar etc) and u will see and understand that this topic has a lot to offer.

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"But still...
He just feels a bit... "off" to me, in his "performance"..
a bit "overly dramatic" in his actions./mannerisms. "

he just has a funny energy and enjoys to overact. But i can say. if he would be fake he could not act like that AND give such brilliant information as an actor can not do both: act with a lot of energy AND be extremely precise.

Sometimes we just need to trust in our senses to know if a source is valid. And i still can not understand why so many people do not perceive that Bashar without exception speaks from an integrative plane that is high above our normal way of analysing things.
If he would be fake he still would be an exceptional being which is highly intelligent. And i think: intelligent people would not use their skills to be so open to attack by critisism . I mean : it would be totally stupid to use that skill becoming a fake "ALIEN".
But darryl by the way is a hollywood respected special effects artist.

Bashar is for me one of the only valid sources right now and i was sceptic too at the beginning because of his way..but after really digging deep i can say: he is an enrichment no matter if it is true that he is ET.

That alone should be enough.

There is also a simple way to see if someone lies and u can prove that by just observing: does information uplift u and give ur intuition a big "yes" or does it not resonate. Our intuition is so much smarter then our scepticism is.

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i agree.
well said my friend.

but a good intro to start with Bashar is this :www.youtube.com...

-> Darryl speaks about how it startet, how he saw a ufo ..how he learned channeling and all that stuff not as bashar but as himself.

Listen to his voice, look into his eyes and if u trust ur senses and have experience in being able to distinguish between fake and true u will see that he is not a liar . And that does not mean that u have to believe he is channeling ET. It is enough to know that here is phenomenon that we should learn more about.
Because even if he believes in something that is not true he still shows that we have a door to much higher states in us.

He even says that he does not know if he is just channeling a portion of himself not in this session but way back in 89 or so)

I just love this guy..
i will post more of my favourite channelings from him as he totally changed my perception of reality in a profound and positive way. I just want to share that.

When you 'channel' you channel from the unconscious. The SUBconscious is the interface between consciousness and the unconscious.

and in any case its ALL subjective, and in many cases projections of your own desires that youre communicating with.

As for channeling the archangel metatron.

It really does amuse me to see non Jews, ignorant of the hebrew language, imaging that theyre really contacting the archangel metatron.

There is a certain maxim in the Jewish mystical tradition that says the archangelic powers - that is, the powers responsible for the phenomena we experience in this world and the world worlds beyond, speak Hebrew.

Therefore the Zohar was written in Aramaic. This is tied to the mystical opinion that Hebrew is the language of creation. Any study of this claim will show it to be true. Hebrew is the archetypal language of creation. G-d communicates to man through the language - and the language itself is the means by which man can LEARN of his creator. The language than is the distilled, constricted essence of the creator. Its his 'mind' as one Rabbi i heard call it.

This reveals itself in its mind blowing consistency at the level of gematria. numerical equivalences between words, word roots etc. Kabbalah is a science, and just like in any science, if you arent acquainted with the terms of its study, you cant possibly know anything of it.

Hebrew is the very means by which the Archangelic forces are 'contacted' and Hebrew is the means used to manipulate (although completely prohibitted by Jewish law) the primordial powers.

So, unless this women can speak Hebrew, she cant have any meaningful conversation with Metatron. Metatron is the 'universal self' - there is no angelic power higher than Metatron. His gematria is the same as El Shaddai. He is the spiritual screen that divides the creator from man, and in fact, its this Metatron, this spiritual reality, which mystics imagine to be the other 'god' - the experience of the void, that gives them the impression of their own godhood.

Many other cultures and traditions have different names for metatron. In hinduism the closest cognate would be purusha - which is similar to Adam kadmon (another name for metatron).

But in any case. Channeling is such a complete waste of time. No spiritually mature person would concern himself in it. Its egotistical - thats it. Theres simply no value which can be garnered from these communications. In kabbalah theres also the 72 names of G-d, the literal archetypal forces which control creation. One can gain knowledge of anything if he chooses, by contacting these powers; except. They operarate According to the vessel - the soul, their communicating with. If you have spiritual 'waste' that is falsehood, confusion,or doubt in you, they'll play off these residues. In many cases people who channel who arent ready (i have never done it myself. im just very knowledgeable of it, and have had conversations with kabbalists who are experienced with this) can become psychotics.

Would anyone seriously be willing to test that?

I liek the serenity, peace and sanity of this world. Ill leave the 'channeling' to the recondite, spiritually advanced and AGED leaders of the generation. Im simply not spiritually developed enough for that, and i highly doubt 98% of the 'channelers' today are either. Theyre simply posers who want to imagine they have power - and its this very desire which crystalizes as commands and information from the other side. A projection from their own unconsciousn, spurred by the archetypal intelligence they contacted.

Gotta be super self aware to know what youre doing when you meddle with these things.

Some nice dialogues


Bashar- M Theory
www.youtube.com...

Bashar- Existence
www.youtube.com...


Bashar -- Life After Death
www.youtube.com...

Bashar- Teleportation
www.youtube.com...

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"Theres simply no value which can be garnered from these communications."


so what would be a valuable way for u to "grow"?

Originally posted by kauskau
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"Theres simply no value which can be garnered from these communications."


so what would be a valuable way for u to "grow"?

So channeling is the only way youve heard of towards growth?

Well, im Jewish so i study Judaism. Apart of the Jewish program of spiritual growth is Talmud - which hones the logical, analytical mind, Mussar - which means discipline, specifically of the emotions, and Kabbalah and Chassidut - the esoteric dimension of Judaism.

In essence, spirituality should be simple. It shouldnt involve communication with not physical entities, as thats completely irrelevant and liable to make you sink into your own subjective reality while alienating yourself from the objectvie world.

this is why Judaism emphasizes Talmud. Talmud corrects the assumptions, prejudices and logical errors of the dualistic mind - which is susceptible to the illusions created by its own ego and the society around him.

Judaism emphasizes Objectivity because without objectivity people can sink into a moral relativism. The ancient pagans were steeped in the world of fantasy - of the 'astral' realm, channelings, magick etc. None of this was real in itself, it was only real to the participants. True reality is the objective world around us. Whether you like it or not, its this world which is most 'real'. Its this world which we make contact with everyday. This is why the torah appears to be so mundane to lay readers. Torah emphasizes physicality - that is, objective living in this world, getting married, having children, socializing, social responsibility for the SAKE of the soul. The soul is being grafted into this physical "mundane" world, or said differently, this world is being elevated to the level of spirit. Think about it for a second. Most religions teach the need to transcend this world. Eastern religions holds passing beyond 'this world' as the ideal for all creatures. Judaism believes the complete opposite. This world is the most real, while the higher worlds are more subtle, less concrete and thus more subjective. True, Judaism does emphasize throughout its philosophy the importance of the next world - the spiritual world. This world is pure peace, delight for the soul. But this world is also a prototype. This world is meant to be reflected in this lowest, dense world of physicality. This physical world is the 'garden' which G-d created for mankind to tend. In the higher worlds, appreciation of self dwindles, and with the loss of self, so does one lose knowledge of the creator. The very existence of duality enables a degree of proximity between self and G-d. This is why g-d created man - so he could know him. Whereas when man dies, hes completely subsumed in the reality of G-d (if he lived a good life, that is. otherwise he suffers for the illusion asserting actions he committed) and thus cant possibly know G-d. He is at one with G-d and completely immersed in the pleasure of that knowledge. But knowing as a separate entity? Theres a definite advantage to this gift the creator gave us. Other religions seek to either empty themselves of this 'ego' through asceticism, or do the extreme opposite, inflate their egos to obscene proportions (they consider themselves gods).

As you can see, channeling doesnt play into any of this. Channeling is a popular practice in occult circles - no doubt. But it does not support spiritual growth. Spiritual growth occurs through effort - self control, meditation, compassion for others, study, and most of all realizing your potential in this world.

This is Judaisms take on spiritual growth. I know many other religions, christianity, islam, buddhism, have a similar idea of social responsibility (as opposed to the popular gnostic moral indifference to social questions)

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no it is not the only way to grow. I was on a path , searching for enlightenment a long time (Zen , Advaita, Satsang) But it is one of many ways to understand many relative things. I distinguish between a spiritual
path of getting to know who or what u are and getting to know how the realities function.


I am just tired of believing and of course u are right. in terms of getting to know who u are no information can help. In fact it was one of the biggest mistakes i made to read a lot about what we call enlightenment. Because now my mind is really good in eating fruits it did not seed.

Originally posted by kauskau
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no it is not the only way to grow. I was on a path , searching for enlightenment a long time (Zen , Advaita, Satsang) But it is one of many ways to understand many relative things. I distinguish between a spiritual
path of getting to know who or what u are and getting to know how the realities function.


I am just tired of believing and of course u are right. in terms of getting to know who u are no information can help. In fact it was one of the biggest mistakes i made to read a lot about what we call enlightenment. Because now my mind is really good in eating fruits it did not seed.

But relevance does 'getting to know how the realities function' hagve to your spiritual growth?

for instance, i know a good deal about theoretical kabbalah - knowledge of the worlds, sefer yetzirah and other kabbalistic subjects. None of this however really changes the fact that none of these things are in my power to control. They are not run by me, but the eternal master, artificer of all reality is taking care of that.

My job is to get to KNOW G-d or 'reality' in a way that is relevant. What is relevant to me is my own good. Like all human beings, i seek my own good. My own good comes from a knowledge of my source. It does not have to be a technical knowledge - although such knowledge is helpful in having, but it most certainly does have to be experienced. I have to KNOW G-d in all my ways, as solomon says in proverbs. This means i connect with the eternal reality - which in Hebrew is called YHVH (which lit. means 'to be' its 4 letters also form the words for Was, is and will be) in each mundane subject i find myself involved with.

This in itself is similar to the zen practice of spiritualizing the mundane through intention. This is making everything spiritual - meaningful and purposeful.

When i die - seeing this world is only an antechamber to the world to come (the word for Earth - Aretz is related to the word for "i run" Arutz. Meaning this world is a world of 'travelling' and movement, whereas the next world Shamayim, is from the Hebrew root Shom - meaning there. Heaven is the destination, this world is the process of getting there) all the experiences of G-d i had created in this world will be in the next world to greet me. Its in that next world where i experience the pleasure of the unity affirming actions i did in this world.

So, i fail to appreciate what spiritual worth communicating with spirits can have. Dont get me wrong, maybe in a future epoch where mankind on the whole is more spiritually evolved, communciating with the creation can be an actual fruitful as opposed to misleading practice. But at this jucture - as this point of time where mankinds collective consciousness has been reduced to a grime - a pitifully low level, how can you expect to recieve 'correct information'?

Were all aspects of the whole - if the whole, that is, the collective mind of mankind is swamped in the world of the knowledge of good and evil - a symbol in kabbalah for the fall of the mind from Eden - pure spiritual awareness of source - to a world of duality specifically a world which also interincludes within it the quality of evil, darkness, falsehood, doubt. Its this which invariably contaminates the pure awareness of the mind/soul. Thus, as long as mankind is collectively exiled from this pure awareness of source, each of us who have found 'release' are still subject to the condition of the whole, and thus always at risk of being fed incorrect messages that may be projections from OTHERS and not ourselves.

but one thing: u limit something which can not be limited. (but all religions do that)

There is no problem to be interested in that stuff as there is also no problem to inform yourself for example about how a engine works. U seem to have a lot of chliches in terms of channeling and the information given.
What good channelers talk about is not how u should perceive god or anyhting as they know that god is not something that can be limited to an object of perception.


As Bashar says: the one as the ONE can not make ANY kind of experience. In every knowledge even in the knowledge "I IAM" is always a space time reference.
And what god is will never be able to know itself because it is what knows but can not be known. So the question is: how can anything that is knowable be dangeorus in terms of spiritual growth.

For me its only dangerous to read about and inform yourself about what god is when u use Knowledge of Enlightend beings with much need to talk about their knowledge before u went on that path by yourself. I think the great Zen masters knew that could be dangerous and only talked in the way of a Koan about the truth that can not be reflected without being "wrong".
"The tao that can be named is not the tao".

-> so i think all u say shows me that in a way u do the same..u know a lot about what god did and duality and polarity and all that stuff but at the end all that knowledge is a wall when u ask yourself: WHO AM I?

The god that can not be found NOW is not a god i want to know because it would be limited to certain circumstances to be known. So my philosophie is: god can only know god by knowing what is not god-> and that is everything which is not eternal. And now we really are in a good empty space as there is not one thing i can find that is something different then a ephemeral thought or object of perception. And here it begins to be dangerous to have to much concepts when u search for what u are. Because then comes the ones with the Bi Polar Image of god (nihilsm and Advaita). They think they did not make an image of god but in a way they did in a much stronger way because they use rational and an objective mind.
I think u should only reflect that when u are really an enlightend being. So in a way i can only through back to u what u said about channeling but i guess i could not really do that ...i am tired and its stressful to write in english .

i ll sleep and will not know anything even that i dont know anything....that is the pure bliss