The Murder, The Patsy, The Conspiracy

wasn't that the smoking man in the x-files?


look, oswald could not have popped off the 3 shots with an wwII italian mauser bolt action.


or whatever it was.

multiple shooters in a crossfire, guaranteed kill.

he told me who but not why.

This slight moving of the head forward is interesting to me for one reason. It should have some tissue exspulsion of its own if this were caused by a round. If he were hit twice in the head there would have been two very quick jerks and two observable impact/tissue damage. This forward motion may have been part of the distress from being wounded by the back shot.

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Hey Rising Against,

Here is a great article I dug out and scanned for you concerning the shooter from the storm drain next to the triple underpass at the west end of the grassy knoll.

I find this one of the best articles on the subject and much respect goes to the original Author for carrying out this research.

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Concerning the storm drain/sewer shot. The last time I visited Dallas I bought a magazine about the assassination and it had these images in it:

Where the storm drain/sewer is situated:

And here is an image showing where JFKs car was at the time of the headshot:

I dont know how accurate this image is but to me a storm drain/sewer shot has never been convincing.

Oh, I was under completely the opposite impression in all honesty, that's why I thought I'd post those 2 previous images in my last post as I thought it would at the very least interest you.

Out of curiosity what do you think happened here and where do you think the shots came from? I’d be interested to hear it.

Anyway, even though you don’t agree with it I thought I would take this opportunity to post what Jim Marrs himself thinks about the possibility of a shot from the sewer purely for arguments sake.

Jim Marrs - A Shot from the sewer - ATS Post

I have heard about the possibility of a shot from the storm drain for many years and even met the daughter of a woman who said she and friends witnessed someone firing from the drain opening. But the mother refused to be interviewed and I have been unable to substantiate this story. I have always hesitated to discuss the storm drain because many years ago one of the earliest and best researchers, Penn Jones Jr., editor of the Midlothian Mirror, was ridiculed incessantly. Debunkers said he was claiming that Kennedy was shot "from a sewer." I have myself stood down in the storm drain which is located a mere six feet from the point of Kennedy’s fatal head shot. I could comfortably stand in this drain (I’m not too tall being 5’7”) and it would have been an easy pistol shot to a person sitting upright in an open convertible. Some witnesses said that one of the shots sounded hollow, had a ringing sound to it. And it could have been possible to leave the storm drain via a large drain pipe which connected to an opening behind the wooden picket fence on the notorious Grassy Knoll. But did a shot come from this drain? At the moment, there is not enough evidence to state yes, but it remains an interesting premise.

An interesting sidebar to this speculation is the fact that in the 1980s a section running vertically down the Grassy knoll collapsed. The Dallas Street Dept. found that someone had dug up a section of this drain pipe and cut away a piece about 2 feet X 4 feet and replaced the cut section. But instead of welding the section back, whoever did this simply replaced the section on the pipe and over time it gave way causing a collapse at that point. There was some speculation that perhaps an assassin had stashed his weapon in the drain pipe and was retrieved surreptitiously at a later date. This drain was connected to the storm drain at the foot of the Grassy Knoll.

(See link above for the rest of this post)

It's an interesting prospect IMO and not something to be completely ruled out but I'm still unconvinced as a shooter from the grassy knoll position is where I think a shot would have come from.

reply to post by fooks

he told me who but not why.

..And who told you exactly?

reply to post by heartsfan

I find this one of the best articles on the subject and much respect goes to the original Author for carrying out this research.

Wow, that's really cool and thank you!!!!

Yes, much respect goes to the original person carrying out this research and much respect goes to you for posting also! It's something I've never seen before as well.

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I am not ruling out a shot from the sewer by the road, I just have never been convinced by that.
In all the years reading about the assassination I have to admit to swaying from side to side on where the shots came from.

Lets take a quick look at where I have thought shots have came from over the years (I will scan some photos in later tonight or tomorrow):

- Eastern end of the 6th floor Depository (So called Oswald Snipers Nest).

- Western end of the 6th floor Depository (In Robert Grodens The Killing Of A President there is a man in this window a few seconds after the assassination and he shows diagrams that show Connally's wounds line up with this window).

- Low floor of the Dal-tex building.

- Roof of the County Records Building (Empty shell casing found here years later and a photo of a bullet strike near a manhole cover that lines up exactly to this location).

- Eastern end of the grassy knoll (Badgeman position or near the corner of the fence).

- Western end of the grassy knoll (Storm Drain on triple underpass)

- Storm Drain/sewer on Elm Street by the road.

And here is a few places I have dismissed straight away as ludicrous that I have read about:

- Grassy knoll south of Dealey Plaza.

- Driver Greer (I remember this was going round ..... so laughable.

- Secret Service Agent Hickey in the follow up car (I have a book that is all about this).

I will write a bigger post about where I think the shots came from when I have more time.

here are a few snippets from whistleblower william coopers book titled 'behold a pale horse.'

A chosen few were later initiated into the secret branch of the Order of the Quest known as the JASON Society. They are all members of the Council on Foreign Relations and at that time were known as THE EASTERN ESTABLISHMENT. This should give you a clue to the far-reaching and serious nature of these most secret college societies. The society is alive and well today, but now includes MEMBERS OF THE TRILATERAL COMMISSION as well. The Trilaterals existed secretly BEFORE 1973. THE NAME OF THE TRILATERAL COMMISSION WAS TAKEN FROM THE ALIEN FLAG KNOWN AS THE TRILATERAL INSIGNIA. Majesty Twelve was to survive right up to the present day. Under Eisenhower and Kennedy it was erroneously called the 5412 Committee, or more correctly, the Special Group. In the Johnson administration it became the 303 Committee because the name '5412' had been compromised in the book 'THE SECRET GOVERNMENT.' Actually, NSC 5412/1 was leaked to the author to hide the existence of NSC 5410. ...

"BY 1955 IT BECAME OBVIOUS THAT THE ALIENS HAD DECEIVED EISENHOWER AND HAD BROKEN THE TREATY. MUTILATED HUMANS WERE BEING FOUND ALONG WITH MUTILATED ANIMALS ACROSS THE UNITED STATES. IT WAS SUSPECTED THAT THE ALIENS WERE NOT SUBMITTING A COMPLETE LIST OF HUMAN CONTACTS AND ABDUCTEES TO MAJESTY TWELVE AND IT WAS SUSPECTED THAT NOT ALL ABDUCTEES HAD BEEN RETURNED. The Soviet Union was suspected of interacting with them, an this proved to be true. THE ALIENS STATED THAT THEY HAD BEEN, AND WERE THEN, MANIPULATING MASSES OF PEOPLE THROUGH SECRET SOCIETIES, WITCHCRAFT, MAGIC, THE OCCULT, AND RELIGION. You must understand that this claim could also be a manipulation. AFTER SEVERAL AIR FORCE COMBAT AIR ENGAGEMENTS WITH ALIEN CRAFT it became apparent that our weapons were no match against them. "In November 1955 NSC-5412/2 was issued establishing a study committee to explore 'all factors which are involved in the making and implementing of foreign policy in the nuclear age.' This was only a blanket of snow that covered the real subject of study, the alien question. "By secret Executive Memorandum NSC 5511 in 1954, President Eisenhower had commissioned the study group to 'EXAMINE ALL THE FACTS, EVIDENCE, LIES, AND DECEPTION AND DISCOVER THE TRUTH OF THE ALIEN QUESTION.' NSC 5412/2 was only a cover that had become necessary when the press began inquiring as to the purpose of regular meetings of such important men. The first meetings began in 1954 and were called the Quantico meetings because they met at the Quantico Marine Base. The study group was made up solely of 35 members of the Council on Foreign Relations' secret study group. Dr. Edward Teller was invited to participate. Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski was the study director for the first 18 months. Dr. Henry Kissinger was chosen as the group's study director for the second 18 months beginning in November 1955. Nelson Rockefeller was a frequent visitor during the study.

THE STUDY GROUP MEMBERS Gordon Dean, Chairman Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski, Study Director - 1st Phase Dr. Henry Kissinger, Study Director - 2nd Phase Dr. Edward Teller Maj.Gen. Richard C. Lindsay Mr. Hanson W. Baldwin Maj.Gen. James McCormack, Jr. Mr. Frank C. Nash Mr. Paul H. Nitze Mr. Charles P. Noyes Mr. Frank Pace, Jr. Mr. James A. Perkins Mr. Don K. Price Mr. David Rockefeller Mr. Oscar M. Ruebhausen Lt. Gen. James M. Gavin Mr. Caryl P. Haskins Mr. James T. Hill, Jr. Mr. Joseph E. Johnson Mr. MeNin J. Kelly Mr. Frank Altschul Mr. Hamilton Fish Armstrong Mr. Lloyd V. Berkner Mr. Robert R. Bowie Mr. McGeorge Bundy Mr. William A.M.Burden Mr. John C. Campbell Mr. Thomas K. Finletter Mr. George S. Franklin, Jr. Mr. I.I. Rabi Mr. Roswell L. Gilpatric Mr. N.E. Halaby Mr. Gen. Vincent Bedell Smith Mr. Henry DeWolf Smyth Mr. Shields Warren Mr. Carrol L. Wilson Mr. Arnold Wolfers

"The second-phase meetings were also held at the Marine base at Quantico, Virginia, and the group became known as Quantico II. Nelson Rockefeller built a retreat somewhere in Maryland for Majesty Twelve and the study committee. It could be reached only by air. In this manner they could meet away from public scrutiny. This secret meeting place is known by the code name 'the Country Club.' Complete living, eating, recreation, library, and meeting facilities exist at the location (The Aspen Institute is not the Country Club). "The study group was publicly terminated in the later months on 1956. Henry Kissinger wrote what was officially termed the results of 1957 as 'NUCLEAR WEAPONS AND FOREIGN POLICY,' published for the Council on Foreign Relations by Harper & Brothers, New York. IN TRUTH, THE MANUSCRIPT HAD ALREADY BEEN 80% WRITTEN WHILE KISSINGER WAS AT HARVARD. THE STUDY GROUP CONTINUED, VEILED IN SECRECY. A clue to the seriousness Kissinger attached to the study can be found in statements by his wife and friends. Many of them stated that Henry would leave home early each morning and return late each night without speaking to anyone or responding to anyone. It seemed as if he were in another world which held no room for outsiders. "These statements are very revealing. The revelations of the alien presence and actions during the study must have been a great shock. Henry Kissinger was definitely out of character during this time. He would never again be affected in this manner, no matter the seriousness of any subsequent event. On many occasions he would work very late into the night after having put in a full day. This behavior eventually led to divorce. "A major finding of the alien study WAS THAT THE PUBLIC COULD NOT BE TOLD. IT WAS BELIEVED THAT THIS WOULD MOST CERTAINLY LEAD TO ECONOMIC COLLAPSE, COLLAPSE OF THE RELIGIOUS STRUCTURE, AND NATIONAL PANIC, WHICH COULD LEAD TO ANARCHY

(Note: This was no doubt based largely on the assumption that the existence of these 'aliens' could not be explained in terms of traditional Christian religion, which conclusion might have been reached by many, especially in the face of the saurian grays' persistent attempts to hide their true reptilian nature as it relates to ancient Biblical history and prophecy. However, based on what we've already covered in these files, it is evident that such alien activity does in reality conform to Christian theology and was in fact prophesied in Judeo-Christian scripture thousands of years ago. The ignorance would merely be an inability to properly interpret these ancient prophecies due to a lack of a foundational knowledge necessary to make such correct interpretations. "Secrecy thus continued. An offshoot of this finding was that if the public could not be told, Congress could not be told. Funding for the projects and research would have to come from outside the Government. In the meantime money was to be obtained from the military budget and from CIA confidential, non-appropriated funds. "ANOTHER MAJOR FINDING WAS THAT THE ALIENS WERE USING HUMANS AND ANIMALS FOR A SOURCE OF GLANDULAR SECRETIONS, ENZYMES, HORMONAL SECRETIONS, BLOOD PLASMA AND POSSIBLY IN GENETIC EXPERIMENTS. The aliens explained these actions as necessary to their survival. They stated that their genetic structure had deteriorated and that they were no longer able to reproduce. They stated that if they were unable to improve their genetic structure, their race would soon cease to exist. WE LOOKED UPON THEIR EXPLANATIONS WITH SUSPICION (Note: According to sources which we will quote later on, the actual purposes of the mutilations are far different than what these alien creatures allege them to be. Some groups connected to MJ-12 however seem to have fallen for this propaganda, such as the top secret 'Yellow Fruit' unit working in Nevada who are, or at least were at one point, convinced that the 'grays' were incapable of reproducing. "Since our weapons were literally useless against the aliens, Majesty Twelve decided to continue friendly diplomatic relations UNTIL SUCH A TIME AS WE WERE ABLE TO DEVELOP A TECHNOLOGY WHICH WOULD ENABLE US TO CHALLENGE THEM ON A MILITARY BASES. Overtures would have to be made to the Soviet Union and other nations to join forces for the survival of humanity. In the meantime PLANS WERE DEVELOPED TO RESEARCH AND CONSTRUCT TWO WEAPONS SYSTEMS USING CONVENTIONAL AND NUCLEAR TECHNOLOGY, WHICH WOULD HOPEFULLY BRING US TO PARITY.

"The results of the research were Projects JOSHUA and EXCALIBUR. JOSHUA was a weapon captured from the Germans which was capable of shattering 4-inch-thick armor plate at a range of two miles. It used aimed, low-frequency sound waves, and it was believed that this weapon would be effective against the alien craft and beam weapons. EXCALIBUR was a weapon carried by a missile not to rise above 30,000 feet above ground level (AGL), not to deviate from designated target more than 50 meters, able to... penetrate '1,000 METERS OF TUFA, HARD- PACKED SOIL SUCH AS THAT FOUND IN NEW MEXICO,' carry a one-megaton warhead, and intended for use in destroying the aliens in their underground bases (Note: According to many sources several of the 'alien' underground bases contain humans - human-soulled-hybrids, and human captives both living and in cold storage, who have been the victims of alien abductions from surface and in some cases subsurface or extrasurface communities. "JOSHUA was developed successfully but never used, to my knowledge. EXCALIBUR was not pushed until recent years and now, we are told, THERE IS AN UNPRECEDENTED EFFORT TO DEVELOP THIS WEAPON. The public would be told that EXCALIBUR would be needed to take out Soviet underground command posts. We know that is not true because one rule of war is that you try not to destroy the leaders. They are needed to ensure peaceful transition of power and compliance of the populace to all negotiated or dictated terms. William Cooper continues with his report by stating: "...A symposium was held in 1957 which was attended by some of the great scientific minds then living. They reached the conclusion that by, or shortly after, the year 2000 the planet WOULD self-destruct due to increased population and man's exploitation of the environment WITHOUT ANY HELP FROM GOD OR THE ALIENS. "By secret Executive order of President Eisenhower, the JASON Scholars were ordered to study this scenario and make recommendations from their findings. The JASON Society CONFIRMED the findings of the scientists and made three recommendations called ALTERNATIVES 1, 2, AND 3. "Alternative 1 was to use nuclear devices to blast holes in the stratosphere from which the heat and pollution could escape into space.

They would then change the human cultures from that of exploitation into cultures of environmental protection. Of the three this was decided to be the least likely to succeed due to the inherent nature of man and the additional damage the nuclear explosions would themselves create. THE EXISTENCE OF A HOLE IN THE OZONE LAYER MAY INDICATE THAT ALTERNATIVE 1 MIGHT HAVE BEEN ATTEMPTED. THIS IS, HOWEVER, ONLY CONJECTURE. "ALTERNATIVE 2 WAS TO BUILD A VAST NETWORK OF UNDERGROUND CITIES AND TUNNELS IN WHICH A SELECT REPRESENTATION OF ALL CULTURES AND OCCUPATIONS WOULD SURVIVE AND CARRY ON THE HUMAN RACE. THE REST OF HUMANITY WOULD BE LEFT TO FEND FOR THEMSELVES ON THE SURFACE OF THE PLANET. We know that these facilities have been built and are ready and waiting for the chosen few to be notified. "Alternative 3 was to exploit the alien and conventional technology in order for a select few to leave the earth and establish colonies in outer space. I am not able to either confirm or deny the existence of 'batch consignments' of human slaves, which would be used for the manual labor as a part of the plan. The Moon, code-named ADAM, was the object of primary intrest, followed by the planet Mars, code-named EVE. I am now in possession of official NASA photographs of one of the moon bases. I believe that the Mars colony is also a reality (Note: There are some who suggest that "global warming" may not actually be taking place as believed, and that this "scare" is based largely on computerized models or simulations which have not always coincided with actual temperature variations. Is it possible that the earth is attempting to "heal" itself? Could it be that to some extent "global warming" is more-or-less an "excuse" that is being used to justify huge expenditures for subterran and exterran "bases"? "As a delaying action, ALL THREE ALTERNATIVES included BIRTH CONTROL, STERILIZATION, AND THE INTRODUCTION OF DEADLY MICROBES TO CONTROL OR SLOW THE GROWTH OF EARTH'S POPULATION. AIDS is only ONE result of these plans. It was decided BY THE ELITE that since the population must be reduced and controlled, it would be in the best intrest of the human race to rid ourselves of undesirable elements of our society. Specific targeted populations included BLACKS, HISPANICS, and HOMOSEXUALS." (Note: It appears that when they made this decision the elite were on the verge of possessing the technology to solve the overpopulation, food and energy problems - even to the point of being able to transport excess populations to other planetary bodies if necessary. Apparently they opted for mass genocide which they believed would keep the population to a manageable minimum, not wishing to give up the political and economic control which they possessed and which would to a large degree be lost if they openly gave this super- technology to humanity.)

"The joint U.S. and Soviet leadership dismissed Alternative 1 BUT ORDERED WORK TO BEGIN ON ALTERNATIVES 2 AND 3 VIRTUALLY AT THE SAME TIME. "In 1959 the Rand Corporation hosted a Deep Underground Construction Symposium. In the symposium report, machines are pictured and described WHICH COULD BORE A TUNNEL 45 FEET IN DIAMETER AT THE RATE OF 5 FEET PER HOUR IN 1959. IT ALSO DISPLAYS PICTURES OF HUGE TUNNELS AND UNDERGROUND VAULTS CONTAINING WHAT APPEAR TO BE COMPLEX FACILITIES AND POSSIBLY EVEN CITIES. IT APPEARS THAT THE PREVIOUS FIVE YEARS OF ALL- OUT UNDERGROUND CONSTRUCTION HAD MADE SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS BY THAT TIME. "The ruling powers decided that one means of funding the alien- connected and other 'black' projects was to corner the illegal drug market. THE ENGLISH AND THE FRENCH HAD ESTABLISHED A HISTORICAL PRECEDENT WHEN THEY EXPLOITED THE OPIUM TRADE IN THE FAR EAST AND USED IT TO FILL THEIR COFFERS AND GAIN A SOLID FOOTHOLD IN CHINA AND VIETNAM, RESPECTIVELY. "A young ambitious member of the Council on Foreign Relations was approached. His name was George Bush, who at the time was the president and CEO of THE OFFSHORE DIVISION OF ZAPATA OIL, BASED IN TEXAS. Zapata Oil was experimenting with the new technology of offshore drilling. It was correctly thought that the drugs could be shipped from South America to the offshore platforms by fishing boat, to be taken from there to shore by the normal transportation used for supplies and personnel. By this method no customs or law enforcement agency would subject the cargo to search. "George Bush agreed to help, and organized the operation IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CIA. The plan worked better than anyone had dreamed. It has since expanded worldwide. There are now many other methods of bringing illegal drugs into the country. IT MUST ALWAYS BE REMEMBERED THAT GEORGE BUSH BEGAN THE SALE OF DRUGS TO OUR CHILDREN. The CIA now controls most of the world's illegal drug markets.

"The official space program was boosted by President Kennedy in his inaugural address when he mandated that the United States put a man on the Moon before the end of the decade. Although innocent in its conception, this mandate enabled those in charge to funnel vast amounts of money into black projects AND CONCEAL THE REAL SPACE PROGRAM FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. A similar program in the Soviet Union served the same purpose. IN FACT, A JOINT ALIEN, UNITED STATES, AND SOVIET UNION BASE EXISTED ON THE MOON AT THE VERY MOMENT KENNEDY SPOKE THE WORDS. "On May 22, 1962, a space probe landed on Mars and confirmed the existence of AN ENVIRONMENT WHICH COULD SUPPORT LIFE (Note: Some may recall many years later when the first PUBLICIZED probe landed on the surface of Mars and began sending back pictures of a reddish-brown planet with a light blue sky. Immediately after this we were told "oops," the blue sky was just a mistake in the programming of the camera, which began sending the "photos" back to earth in the wrong color. "Fortunately" the problem was "solved" and subsequent photographs appeared in which the sky was reddish-pink. - Branton). Not long afterward the construction of a colony on the planet Mars began in earnest. Today I believe a colony exists on Mars populated by specially selected people from different cultures and occupations taken from all over the Earth. A PUBLIC CHARADE of antagonism between the Soviet Union and the United States has been maintained over all these years IN ORDER TO FUND PROJECTS IN THE NAME OF NATIONAL DEFENSE WHEN IN F "At some point President Kennedy discovered portions of the truth concerning the drugs and aliens. He issued an ultimatum in 1963 to Majesty Twelve. President Kennedy assured them that if they did not clean up the drug problem, he would. HE INFORMED MAJORITY TWELVE THAT HE INTENDED TO REVEAL THE PRESENCE OF (THE) ALIENS TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WITHIN THE FOLLOWING YEAR, AND ORDERED A PLAN DEVELOPED TO IMPLEMENT HIS DECISION (Note: We can consider these Files and other present efforts to inform the public of the alien problem as being nothing less than a Patriotic duty to fulfill the decree as set out by this former American President - Branton). "President Kennedy's decision struck fear into the hearts of those in charge. His assassination was ordered by the Policy Committee and the order was carried out by agents in Dallas. -----------------------------------

"During the United States' initial space exploration and the Moon landings every launch was accompanied by alien craft. ON NOVEMBER 20, 1990, LOS ANGELES TV CHANNEL 2 ANNOUNCED THAT A SEPARATE, RED, GLOWING, ROUND-SHAPED OBJECT ACCOMPANIED THE SPACE SHUTTLE ATLANTIS ON IT'S LATEST CLASSIFIED MILITARY MISSION. THAT WAS THE FIRST PUBLIC ADMISSION. "The Moon base, Luna, was photographed by the Lunar Orbiter and filmed by the Apollo astronauts. Domes, spires, tall round structures which look like silos, huge T-shaped mining vehicles that left stitchlike tracks in the lunar surface, and extremely large as well as small alien craft appear in the official NASA photographs. It is a joint United States and Soviet base. THE SPACE PROGRAM IS A FARCE AND AN UNBELIEVABLE WASTE OF MONEY. ALTERNATIVE 3 IS A REALITY. IT IS NOT SCIENCE FICTION. "The Apollo astronauts were severely shaken by this experience, and their lives and subsequent statements reflect the depth of the revelation and the effect of the muzzle order which followed. They were ordered to remain silent or suffer the extreme penalty, death, which was termed an 'EXPEDIENCY.' One astronaut actually did talk to the British producers of the TV expose 'ALTERNATIVE 003.' It was aired on the documentary, NONFICTION program named 'SCIENCE REPORT,' confirming many of the allegations. "In the book 'ALTERNATIVE 003' the pseudonym 'Bob Grodin' was used in place of the astronaut's identity. (The real Bob Grodin is a friend of Leslie Watkins and is a part of the Kennedy assassination cover-up.)

It was also stated that the astronaut 'committed suicide' in 1978. This cannot be validated by any source, and I believe that several so- called facts in the book are really disinformation. I firmly believe that this disinformation is a result of pressure put upon the authors and is meant to nullify the effect upon the populace of the British TV expose 'ALTERNATIVE 003.' "THE HEADQUARTERS OF THE INTERNATIONAL CONSPIRACY IS IN GENEVA, SWITZERLAND. THE RULING BODY IS MADE UP OF THREE COMMITTEES CONSISTING OF THIRTEEN MEMBERS EACH, AND ALL THREE TOGETHER COMPRISE THE 39 MEMBERS OF THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF THE BODY KNOWN AS THE BILDERBERG GROUP. The most important and powerful of the three committees is the Policy Committee. (It is more than interesting to note that the United States had thirteen original colonies and that 39 delegates from these colonies signed the Constitution after it was written and adopted in the first Constitutional Convention. Do you believe that is coincidence?) Policy Committee meetings are held on a nuclear submarine beneath the polar icecap. A Soviet sub and an American sub join at an airlock and the meeting is convened. The secrecy is such that this was the only method which would ensure that the meetings could not be bugged (Note: or in simple terms, the "Illuminati" operating in the highest levels of the American and Russian governments have fo "I can say that the book 'ALTERNATIVE 003' is at least 70% true from my own knowledge and the knowledge of my sources. I believe that the disinformation was an attempt to compromise the British TV expose with information that could be false, just as the 'Eisenhower Briefing Document,' which was released here in the United States under the contingency plan Majestic Twelve, can also be proven false. "Since our interaction with the aliens began we have come into possession of technology beyond our wildest dreams. We currently have, and fly, atomic-powered antigravity-type craft in Nevada. Our pilots have made interplanetary voyages in these craft and have been to the Moon, Mars, and other planets. We have been lied to about the true nature of the Moon, the planets Mars and Venus, and the REAL state of technology that we possess today, at this very moment.

"There are areas on the Moon where plant life grows and even changes color with the seasons. This seasonal effect is because the Moon does not, as claimed, always present the exact same side to the Earth or the Sun. The Moon has several man-made lakes and ponds upon its surface, and clouds have been observed and filmed in its atmosphere. It possesses a gravity field -- and man can walk upon its surface WITHOUT A SPACE SUIT, breathing from an oxygen bottle and undergoing decompression, the same way as any deep-sea diver! "I have the official NASA photographs. Some of them were published in the books 'WE DISCOVERED ALIEN BASES ON THE MOON' by Frank Steckling and 'SOMEONE ELSE IS ON THE MOON'. In 1969 a confrontation broke out between the Soviets and Americans at the lunar base. The Soviets attempted to take control of the base and held American scientists and personnel hostage (Note: There is evidence that the Luna Base on the Moon, the Dreamland Base in Nevada-California, and the Dulce-Archuleta Base near the four- corners are all tied-together. Other sources such as former Dulce security officer "Thomas C." stated that another "altercation" DID in fact break out in the Dulce Base while he was there, and possibly in the Nevada Base as well about the same time, although such an altercation in the tunnels beneath the Nevada Military Complex has not been 'confirmed' to us. Either these two accounts--Luna and Dulce--are based on the same incident, or more than one "altercation" took place, one between Americans and Russians in "The Soviets were suspended from the program for a period of two years. A reconciliation eventually took place and once again we began to interact. "I cannot even begin to outline the entire financial empire controlled by the CIA, the NSA, and the Council on Foreign Relations, WHICH IN TURN CONTROL AND LAUNDER THE MONEY FROM DRUGS AND OTHER INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY PROPRIETARY VENTURES; but I can give you a beginning.

THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IS BEYOND ANYTHING YOU CAN IMAGINE AND IS HIDDEN IS A VAST NETWORK OF BANKS AND HOLDING COMPANIES. You should first begin to look at the J. Henry Schroder Banking Corporation, the Schroder Trust Company, Schroders Ltd. (London), Helbert Wagg Holdings Ltd., J. Henry Schroder-Wagg & Co. Ltd., Schroder Gerbruder and Company (Germany), Schroder Munchmeyer Gengst and Company, Castle Bank and its holding companies, the Asian Development Bank, and the Nugan Hand octopus of banks and holding companies. "A contingency plan was formulated by Majesty Twelve to throw every one off the trail should they come close to the truth. The plan was known as MAJESTIC TWELVE. IT WAS IMPLEMENTED WITH THE RELEASE BY MOORE, SHANDERA, AND FRIEDMAN OF THE PURPORTED EISENHOWER BRIEFING DOCUMENT. THE DOCUMENT IS A FRAUD, BECAUSE IT IS NUMBERED 092447, A NUMBER WHICH DOES NOT EXIST AND WILL NOT EXIST FOR QUITE A LONG TIME AT THE PRESENT RATE. Truman wrote Executive orders in the 9000 range; Eisenhower's were in the 10,000; Ford was up to the 11,000 bracket; and Reagan reached only into the 12,000s. Executive orders are numbered consecutively, no matter who occupies the White House, for reasons of continuity, record keeping, and to prevent confusion. THIS RED HERRING HAS THROWN THE ENTIRE RESEARCH COMMUNITY OFF THE TRAIL FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND HAS RESULTED IN THE WASTED EXPENDITURE OF MONEY LOOKING FOR INFORMATION WHICH DOES NOT EXIST. "...Another plan is in force. It is the plan to prepare the public for eventual confrontation with an alien race. IT COULD ALSO INTEND TO MAKE YOU BELIEVE IN AN ALIEN RACE THAT DOES NOT EXIST. The public is being bombarded with movies, radio, advertising, and TV programs depicting almost every aspect of the "purported" true nature of the alien presence. This includes the good and bad. Look around and pay attention. SOMEONE IS PLANNING TO MAKE THEIR PRESENCE KNOWN AND THE GOVERNMENT IS PREPARING YOU FOR IT. They do not want any panic. The unprecedented number of sightings worldwide indicates that public exposure is not far off. Never in history have there been so many official acknowledgements. "For many years the Secret Government has been importing drugs and selling them to the people, mainly the poor and minorities. Social welfare programs were put into place to create a dependent, nonworking element in our society. The government then began to remove these programs to force people into a criminal class that did not exist in the '50s and '60s.

"The government encouraged the manufacture and importation of military firearms for the criminals to use. This is intended to foster a feeling of insecurity, which would lead the American people to voluntarily disarm themselves by passing laws against firearms (in a "dis-armed" society, the law-abiding citizens would give up their gun rights, while the "criminals" who are conditioned to not following the laws anyways would still retain their firearms. They will be "illegal" of course, but breaking the law would be nothing new to them - Branton). Using drugs and hypnosis on mental patients in a process called Orion, the CIA inculcated the desire in these people to open fire on schoolyards and thus inflame the antigun lobby (Note: This aspect of "hypnosis" has been used in other murders-assassinations. Contrary to popular belief, a person CAN be forced to commit an act under hypnosis that they would not normally commit in waking consciousness. For instance they could be told that so-and-so was a threat to ci

"AUTHOR'S NOTE: I HAVE FOUND THAT THESE EVENTS HAVE INDEED HAPPENED OVER THE COUNTRY. IN EVERY INSTANCE THAT I HAVE INVESTIGATED--THE INCIDENT AT THE WOMAN'S SCHOOL IN CANADA, THE SHOPPING CENTER INCIDENT IN CANADA, THE STOCKTON, CALIFORNIA, MASSACRE, AND THE MURDER OF RABBI MEIR KAHANE--THE SHOOTERS WERE ALL EX-MENTAL PATIENTS OR WERE CURRENT MENTAL PATIENTS WHO WERE ALL ON THE DRUG PROZAC! THIS DRUG, WHEN TAKEN IN CERTAIN DOSES, INCREASES THE SEROTONIN LEVEL IN THE PATIENT, CAUSING EXTREME VIOLENCE. COUPLE THAT WITH A POSTHYPNOTIC SUGGESTION OR CONTROL THROUGH AN ELECTRONIC BRAIN IMPLANT OR MICROWAVE OR E.L.F. INTRUSION AND YOU GET A MASS MURDER, ENDING IN EVERY CASE WITH THE SUICIDE OF THE PERPETRATOR. EXHUME THE BODIES OF THE MURDERERS AND CHECK FOR A BRAIN IMPLANT. I THINK YOU ARE GOING TO BE SURPRISED. IN EVERY CASE THE NAME OF THE MURDERER'S DOCTOR OR MENTAL TREATMENT FACILITY HAS BEEN WITHHELD. I BELIEVE WE WILL BE ABLE TO ESTABLISH INTELLIGENCE-COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS AND/OR CONNECTIONS "Due to the wave of crime sweeping the nation, the media will convince the American people that a state of anarchy exists within the major cities. They are now building their case almost nightly on TV and daily in the newspapers. WHEN PUBLIC OPINION HAS BEEN WON TO THIS IDEA, THEY INTEND TO STATE THAT A TERRORIST GROUP ARMED WITH A NUCLEAR WEAPON HAS ENTERED THE UNITED STATES AND THAT THEY PLAN TO DETONATE THIS DEVICE IN ONE OF OUR CITIES. (THIS IS NOW BEING SET UP BY THE CRISIS IN THE MIDDLE EAST.) THE GOVERNMENT WILL THEN SUSPEND THE CONSTITUTION AND DECLARE MARTIAL LAW. THE SECRET ALIEN ARMY OF IMPLANTED HUMANS AND ALL DISSIDENTS, WHICH TRANSLATES INTO ANYONE THEY CHOOSE, WILL BE ROUNDED UP AND PLACED IN THE ONE-MILE-SQUARE CONCENTRATION CAMPS WHICH ALREADY EXIST. Are the people whom they intend to place in these concentration camps destined to make up the reported 'batch consignments' of slave labor needed by the space colonies?

"The media--radio, TV, newspapers, AND COMPUTER NETWORKS-- will be nationalized and seized. ANYONE WHO RESISTS WILL BE TAKEN OR KILLED. THIS ENTIRE OPERATION WAS REHEARSED BY THE GOVERNMENT AND MILITARY IN 1984 UNDER THE CODE NAME REX-84A AND IT WENT OFF WITHOUT A HITCH. When these events have transpired, the SECRET GOVERNMENT and/or ALIEN takeover will be complete. YOUR FREEDOM WILL NEVER BE RETURNED AND YOU WILL LIVE IN SLAVERY THE REMAINDER OF YOUR LIFE. You had better wake up and you had better do it now! "PHILIP KLASS IS AN AGENT OF THE CIA. THIS WAS STATED IN THE DOCUMENTS I SAW BETWEEN 1970 AND 1973. ONE OF HIS JOBS AS AN AVIATION EXPERT WAS TO DEBUNK EVERYTHING TO DO WITH UFOS. All military commanders were instructed to call him to gain information on how to debunk and/or explain UFO contacts and/or sightings to the public and/or the press if and when the need arose. Some people seem to love Klass. They encourage him and heap large doses of attention upon him. He is invited to speak at UFO events and is quoted in papers, books, and newspapers as being the expert on 'what really happened.'

"Philip Klass is not operating in our best intrest. His debunking and explanations of UFO sightings are so full of holes that a six-year-old child should be able to discern his true purpose. I have seen poor misled people actually ask Klass for his autograph, an act similar in magnitude to Elliot Ness asking Al Capone for His autograph. I have found that in many instances the secret elect are absolutely right when they state that 'people who will not use their intelligence are no better than animals who do not have intelligence. Such people are beasts of burden and steaks on the table by choice and consent.' (Quote from: "Silent Weapons of Quite Wars", which is according to Cooper the Illuminati's declaration of War upon the people of America, as it was formulated by the Policy Committee of the Bilderberg Group during its first known meeting in 1954. The document, dated May 1979, was found on July 7, 1986, in an IBM copier that had been purchased at a surplus sale. Copies of this manual, designated 'TM-SW7 "William Moore, Jaime Shandera, and Stanton Friedman are witting (with full knowledge, understanding, and consent) agents of the Secret Government. William Moore's reported use of a Defense Investigative Service ID card and his reported self- confession to Lee Graham that he is an agent of the government confirmed it. (Lee Graham phoned me at my home, and when asked, confirmed that MOORE HAD INDEED SHOWN HIM A DEFENSE INVESTIGATIVE SERVICE ID.) Moore's later confession proved it without any doubt. "AUTHOR'S NOTE: ON JULY 1, 1989, THE NIGHT BEFORE I PRESENTED THIS PAPER TO THE 'MUFON' SYMPOSIUM IN LAS VEGAS, WILLIAM MOORE ADMITTED THAT HE WAS A GOVERNMENT AGENT, THAT HE HAD RELEASED DISINFORMATION TO RESEARCHERS, THAT HE HAD FALSIFIED DOCUMENTS, THAT HE HAD SPIED UPON RESEARCHERS AND REPORTED INFORMATION CONCERNING THOSE RESEARCHERS TO THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY, THAT HE HAD HELPED IN A COUNTERINTLLIGENCE OPERATION AGAINST PAUL BENNEWITZ THAT RESULTED IN MR. BENNEWITZ'S COMMITMENT TO A MENTAL INSTITUTION, AND THAT HE HAD DONE ALL THIS WITH FULL KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT HE WAS DOING. HE IS EITHER A TRAITOR OR A STONE-HEARTED MANIPULATOR AT BEST.

"Some of the self-appointed 'ufologists' still look up to Moore, and still cite his research in their correspondence, papers, and books. This reflects a degree of ignorance and stupidity in the UFO community. Bruce Maccabee wrote a letter to CAVEAT EMPTOR citing articles from William Moore's publication, FOCUS, as proof that I am discredited. Dream on. it is no mystery to me why mainstream America calls ufologists whackos, loonies, and nuts. In some cases they are. "In documents that I read between 1970 and 1973, the names of individuals were listed who had been targeted for recruitment. These documents stated that these people were to be coerced, using patriotism as a motivating force whenever possible. If necessary, financial assistance would be provided through employment with a proprietary front company or through grants (Note: This does not mean that all of these actually WERE recruited, at least let us hope that was the case. Nor does it mean that all who were "recruited" have been told the whole truth. Secret Societies, the CIA included, often use deception to manipulate the "lower" hierarchies into carrying out particular actions which the inner core wish to implement. There is usually only a very small group of "inner elite" who know the whole story. The "pawns" would most likely not offer their services if they knew where their actions were taking them and their country. For instance a CIA "asset" serving the "Company" for "patriotic" reasons may in essence be digging their own grave, in reality selling out the country they are trying to defend, selling out themselves, their descendants, and so on to an agenda they don't know anything about - Branton). Cooper continues, "This is, coincidentally, the method by which Friedman got his $16,000 from another agent, Bruce Maccabee. We have also found that Moore has received money for research from at least two CIA front companies. This has been confirmed by the research of Grant Cameron. Others named on the list were cited as active intelligence agency assets. When I first presented this paper I gave only a partial list of those named on the Naval Intelligence documents. Following are as many names as I can remember. (There may be more, but these are all I can recall at this time.)... (Note: Some of these are apparently CIA AGENTS, while others are CIA ASSETS. An agent would know what's going on while an "asset" may not - but may be "strung along" and manipulated without fully realizing it - Branton). "Stanton Friedman, CIA; John Lear, CIA (Lear's father was named as having participated in antigravity research); William Moore; John Keel (was he used to trump up the existing through not-all-inclusive PARAPHYSIAL aspect of UFO's to the exclusion of the physical aspects? - Branton); Charles Berlitz; Bruce Maccabee, ONI (Office of Naval Intelligence); Linda Moulton Howe; Philip Klass, CIA; James Moseley, CIA (Moseley's father was discussed in a very complimentary manner); Virgil Armstrong, CIA (listed as Postlethwaite); Wendelle Stevens, CIA; Dr. J. Allen Hynek, CIA. "That is the list as I remember it. There may have been others, but I cannot recall. I know of other agents who were not on the list. You must remember that when I first wrote this paper I thought that Bruce Maccabee might not have been recruited, but then later he proved me wrong when he gave Stanton Friedman $16,000 to investigate himself. "There was a two-word code that these people were to use to identify each other. The first word was a color and the second was a bird. The code was 'Gold Eagle.' When Stanton Friedman first contacted me he used the code. I pretended ignorance but he asked me several times if I had ever seen or heard of Gold Eagle. John Lear also asked me if I had ever heard of Gold Eagle. He too was testing me. They knew that I had access to correct information and were attempting to determine if I were one of them. As George Bush would say, 'Read my lips.' I was never one of you. I will NEVER be one of you. "When I talked to Stan Deyo in Australia by phone, he told me the code given to him was 'Blue Falcon.' Stan was a victim of mind-control experimentation while a cadet at the Air Force Academy. He and over 80 other cadet mind-control subjects resigned from the academy in protest. He has been on crusade to discover the truth ever since. Stan has written two excellent books, 'THE COSMIC CONSPIRACY,' and 'THE VINDICATOR SCROLLS.' I recommend you read them both. "I THINK THAT LINDA MOULTON HOWE MAY BE INNOCENT OF WITTING INVOLVEMENT. Linda in particular seems to have exercised extreme care in what she has presented to the public. Her research is excellent. I was impressed when she confided to me that Sgt. Richard Doty of the Counterintelligence Division of the Air Force Office of Special Investigations had taken her into the Intelligence office at Kirtland Air Force Base in New Mexico AND SHOWED HER THE EXACT SAME DOCUMENTS THAT I HAD SEEN WHILE IN THE NAVY. SHE EVEN SAW THE SAME INFORMATION ON THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION NAMING GREER AS THE ASSASSIN. Ms. Howe is the only person in the world outside the intelligence community who knows the truth as I know it regarding Operation MAJORITY. She has exercised good judgement and great restraint in NOT revealing the contents of those documents to the public. It is for this reason that I believe that an attempt has been made to use her. Fortunately, Linda did not fall off a turnip truck and she didn't play the game. "I have discovered that Whitley Strieber is a CIA asset, as is Budd Hopkins. Strieber's book 'MAJESTIC' has convicted him with those of us IN THE KNOW. It is the true story of the Roswell crash taken from the confiscated diaries of James Forrestal. That is, assuming that the documents that I saw in the Navy were not a hoax. I do not believe that they were. The names of people and names of projects and operations have been changed in Strieber's book, but other than that the information and documentation is true. The autopsy reports are exactly the same that I saw in Project GRUDGE 18 years ago. "I have recently come into possession of an affidavit that is signed, notarized, and sworn under penalty of perjury from an M.D. in New York stating that the M.D. was recruited by a CIA agent named Budd Hopkins (ie. author of the book, and later the Television dramatization "INTRUDERS" - Branton) to help work with abductees for the CIA... I knew that Hopkins was not right when I met him in Modesto. He could not look me in the eyes, and anyone who cannot look me in the eyes is not right. He spent the whole time, including his speech, TRYING TO CONVINCE PEOPLE OF THE INNOCENCE OF THE ABDUCTEE EXPERIENCE AND THE ABSENCE OF THE ALIENS' MALEVOLENCE, WHICH WAS A TOTAL CROCK. It was an insult to anyone who had investigated abductees (Note: This may tie-in with the fact that many "bases" are JOINTLY occupied by saurian- grays and implanted-controlled CIA personnel. in other words, the "Intruders" have apparently infiltrated the CIA to some extent through implantation, etc. and are using the CIA to paint a "benevol "I know that all of the major UFO research organizations were targeted for infiltration and control by the Secret Government, just as NICAP was infiltrated and controlled. In fact, NICAP was eventually destroyed from within. I know that these efforts have been successful. "MUFON is a great example. Hundreds of members all over the world conduct investigations and send in physical evidence to MUFON headquarters, where it quickly disappears. Everyone screams for physical evidence as proof. Recently samples were collected of a liquid that had dripped from a saucer onto a schoolyard in Gulf Breeze, Florida. The samples were sent to MUFON, WHERE THEY IMMEDIATELY VANISHED. Walt Andrus has stated that it was an accident. BALONEY! THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME 'MUFON' HAS 'LOST' EVIDENCE. I CONSIDER 'MUFON' THE GREAT BLACK HOLE OF THE UFO COMMUNITY. THE CONTROL OF INFORMATION IS SO TIGHT THAT NOTHING ESCAPES. Anyone who tells it like it really is, is debunked and barred from symposiums. The members are told what to believe and what not to believe. The members of the MUFON board of directors and the members of the advisory board of consultants are for the most part supported by the Government in the form of salaries, grants, or retirement checks. Who can believe that this does not cons "How can you possibly believe the 'Government' could not control the people to whom it funnels money? MONEY IS THE BASIC METHOD OF CONTROL (As the Bible says: "The LOVE of money is the root of ALL EVIL!"

sorry if it comes up looking like it came out of a blender, but theres alot of aspects to the jfk assassination in there that havent been covered on this thread.

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Bill Cooper was certainly a major contributor to the understanding of Alien/MIC agendas and his work was fascinating and thought provoking. My problem with accepting Bills findings is that ultimately his Paronoia ruled his thinking.

Friedman, Hopkins, Strieber, Molton-Howe, Lear, Art Bell, Hoagland, this list is endless, where ALL CIA according to Cooper. Whilst he may have had good reason to suspect some, his judgement seemed a little delussional in my humble opinion. But if you can get past that Bill certainly was and still is a great read. R I P.

Thanks for the post, and info. There is as awful lot there. The OP has stated he has not touched on all of the possibilities as to WHY...just the assassination itself.

I think for anyone to expect us to believe that Lee Oswald did this alone is an insult to our intelligence.

I don't think the people that called the shots will ever allow the truth to be known though. Sure would be nice though.

Originally posted by boogiegk
I don't think the people that called the shots will ever allow the truth to be known though. Sure would be nice though.

Yeah, I agree, it seems as though the truth will never come out as those in charge simply wouldn't ever allow it sadly.

We’ve had subtle hints though and In case you haven’t seen this yet, maybe you should check out what Jack Ruby says shortly before he dies in regards to the truth being revealed. It makes for interesting watching especially from a conspiracy theorists POV.

Google Video Link

(He also hints at the VP's involvment as well. )

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yes bills writings can be a little extreme. although there are good lists that he came up with regarding all this insider information.

theres alot of holes to his assassination too. cooper had spent the last month challenging the government's claims about what caused the destruction of the wtc on september the 11th. the feds were putting him under surveillance and they constantly showed up around his house. he put up a diary on his website with daily updates on how the feds intervened with his privacy and his freedom. he wrote on the same page, that if one day he would stop updating his public diary, he would probably have been killed or kidnapped. one day, in november of 2001 he stopped writing...

when it comes to the jfk assassination, i think he holds some credibility no doubt, the list of names he has are quite extensive.

Originally posted by Cobra.EXE
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yes bills writings can be a little extreme. although there are good lists that he came up with regarding all this insider information.

theres alot of holes to his assassination too. cooper had spent the last month challenging the government's claims about what caused the destruction of the wtc on september the 11th. the feds were putting him under surveillance and they constantly showed up around his house. he put up a diary on his website with daily updates on how the feds intervened with his privacy and his freedom. he wrote on the same page, that if one day he would stop updating his public diary, he would probably have been killed or kidnapped. one day, in november of 2001 he stopped writing...

when it comes to the jfk assassination, i think he holds some credibility no doubt, the list of names he has are quite extensive.

They set-up Bill and shot him in the back on his own property. Cooper would have been world famous because of 911. No doubt they killed him because of 911 and the driver stuff was nothing compared to 911.

Originally posted by 7forever

Originally posted by Cobra.EXE
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yes bills writings can be a little extreme. although there are good lists that he came up with regarding all this insider information.

theres alot of holes to his assassination too. cooper had spent the last month challenging the government's claims about what caused the destruction of the wtc on september the 11th. the feds were putting him under surveillance and they constantly showed up around his house. he put up a diary on his website with daily updates on how the feds intervened with his privacy and his freedom. he wrote on the same page, that if one day he would stop updating his public diary, he would probably have been killed or kidnapped. one day, in november of 2001 he stopped writing...

when it comes to the jfk assassination, i think he holds some credibility no doubt, the list of names he has are quite extensive.

They set-up Bill and shot him in the back on his own property. Cooper would have been world famous because of 911. No doubt they killed him because of 911 and the driver stuff was nothing compared to 911.

i agree absolutely, would it be illegal to hand out his books in front of colleges/schools? some people call bill crazy because his claims are definitely something else, but you know what they say. truth is stranger than fiction.

Originally posted by Cobra.EXE

Originally posted by 7forever

Originally posted by Cobra.EXE
reply to post by Seeker PI

 

yes bills writings can be a little extreme. although there are good lists that he came up with regarding all this insider information.

theres alot of holes to his assassination too. cooper had spent the last month challenging the government's claims about what caused the destruction of the wtc on september the 11th. the feds were putting him under surveillance and they constantly showed up around his house. he put up a diary on his website with daily updates on how the feds intervened with his privacy and his freedom. he wrote on the same page, that if one day he would stop updating his public diary, he would probably have been killed or kidnapped. one day, in november of 2001 he stopped writing...

when it comes to the jfk assassination, i think he holds some credibility no doubt, the list of names he has are quite extensive.

They set-up Bill and shot him in the back on his own property. Cooper would have been world famous because of 911. No doubt they killed him because of 911 and the driver stuff was nothing compared to 911.

i agree absolutely, would it be illegal to hand out his books in front of colleges/schools? some people call bill crazy because his claims are definitely something else, but you know what they say. truth is stranger than fiction.

The driver shooting Kennedy is strange, shocking, and idiotic on the part of Kennedy's killers but that's the way it happened. While 911 will never entirely be solved because it's way complicated, Greer firing the fatal shot is stupid easy.

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Wow, great presentation! I was in high school at the time and swallowed everything the government fed me until the early 70's. Does anyone else find it disturbing that the majority of Americans think the official findings fed to them is corral dust? TPTB know that it doesn't matter. If someone had a picture of someone holding a pistol to JFK's head at the moment of discharge they would say "nope, didn't happen that way". Everyone would know that it did but could do nothing. THEY know that WE know it didn't happen that way, but THEY have no reason to be concerned if it's not believable.....Shot-with an I.

Peace......yak055h

i agree and also believe the driver or passenger in front of kennedy are the ones who shot him, you clearly see it in the film. i dont know if its the zapruder or grassy knoll video but its there. for everyone to see.

i dont see how its so hard for people to understand or to get some kind of legal prosecution going. i mean, clearly somebody is to be held accountable for the murder of one of our greatest presidents.

obama bin laden drives this country into the ground, and all we do is celebrate. youd think somebody would have assassinated him by now....

Simply, getting this obvious truth to millions is my goal. Greer's been dead since 85, so IMO nothing will ever happen except them knowing the truth was finally articulated and posted online.

Hey Rising Against,

Ok you asked what I thought happened and where I think the shots came from ........

Well I try to keep an open mind on all things surrounding the Assassination and have changed my mind again and again on these two questions you ask ... thats what I love about the JFK Assassination .... there are so many theories on what happened and where the shots came from and the coverup that it keeps you thinking and thinking.

But I will say this about these two questions:

I believe (at this time) that there were at least 3 shooters. Where were these shooters ....



Low floor of the Dal-tex building - This shooter shot Kennedy in the back and also missed the car which caused James Tagues wound. I also think this shooter hit Kennedy in the head firing a shot a fraction of a second before a frontal shooter. (As Kennedys head goes forward first before backwards on the headshot)



The Western end of the Depository - This shooter caused the wounds of Connally.



The Storm Drain at the Western End of the Grassy Knoll - This shooter also shot Kennedy in the head. Now this position also could have cause Kennedys neck wound BUT this image shows that you couldnt see the car at the time of the neck wound and I dont know if it was the same in 1963. That is the only problem I have with this position.

Also I think there was a guy in Oswalds Sniper nest in the Eastern end of the Sixth Floor of the Depository but I think this was just a decoy and didnt fire any shots. I say this because the pipes next to the window make it hard to get a good aim.

Concerning the number of shots I wouldnt like to speculate as there were a number of missed shots:



As you can see this lines up to the County Records Building (Another shooter position?)



Does this line up with the Western End of The Depository?



JFKs Limo Windscreen



Chrome in JFKs Limo



The mark where a bullet struck that caused James Tagues wound

Also some witnesses saw a bullet strike the road near the corner of Elm & Houston St, saying this was the first shot fired.

Just taking these missed ones ..... thats 6 shots right there. I mean if these are true missed shots how many shots in total were fired? It keeps going up and up. One thing I can be sure of ..... there were more than 3 that the Warren Commission said. Yet the majority of witnesses say they only heard 3 shots!

A little off topic on you're questions but ......
One thing I would like to add for all the people that have never been to Dealey Plaza is that when you visit you cannot believe how small it is. I couldnt believe it. You see it on TV or video or in pictures and it looks quite big ..... but it aint. lol.

Thanks for posting and my apologies for the slow replying time here, I've just been busy lately and haven't had time to concentrate on researching and posting as much as I would have liked. Anyway in regards to your post I wholeheartedly agree with the fact that there were more than 3 shots, whether it was 6 or not I'm not so sure but more than 3 shots definitely.

So, people hearing just 3 shots then could be down to shots being fired roughly at the same time giving the effect of a single shot which is an explanation for the fatal shot sounding like a single shot and at the same time causing Kennedy’s head to move forward and then violently backwards and to the left. Something which I'm sure you know already and something I believe James files claimed when his shot and Charles Nicoletti’s shot (according to him) was to strike the president.