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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by SaturnFX
Oh I am sorry I didn't realize, I had strayed off topic, considering the other post.
sorry
You are saying that the logical failure I am experiencing is due to the fact that speculation about religion and speculation of ETs existing or coming here to earth..the subject in general, both are little more than fantasy that merit equal consideration.
First off, the issue of religion is that it is supernatural or paranormal in its nature. the ET/Alien subject is not...there is absolutely nothing about the concept that is supernatural in nature. It falls into the same area as a new breed of fish at the bottom of the ocean...it is testable.
re·li·gion noun ri-ˈli-jən
Definition of RELIGION
1a : the state of a religious b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness
4: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
— re·li·gion·less adjective
Examples of RELIGION
Many people turn to religion for comfort in a time of crisis.
There are many religions, such as Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, and Judaism.
Shinto is a religion that is unique to Japan.
Hockey is a religion in Canada.
Politics are a religion to him.
Where I live, high school football is religion.
Food is religion in this house.
Origin of RELIGION
Middle English religioun, from Anglo-French religiun, Latin religion-, religio supernatural constraint, sanction, religious practice, perhaps from religare to restrain, tie back — more at rely
First Known Use: 13th century
Related to RELIGION
Synonyms: credo, creed, cult, faith, persuasion
Antonyms: atheism, godlessness
Organizations have popped up to test this theory, such as SETI, that are actively seeking out signals of alien origin. Hubble spends plenty of time looking at planets to determine if it is habitable and able to house if not already houseing life.
NASA has sent out probes such as Pioneer 10 to broadcast our own signals specifically to alien races, to include a starmap, pictorial of what we look like, etc.
Is there a government funded equal in regards to any religion whatsoever to determine and test the god theory? no...there isn't, because as much posturing as government officals do, they know that they cannot prove a negative also in these regards...there is simply no satisfactory way to test for God because it is paranormal in nature...aka, no test will ever work because such a being is undetectable by tests...therefore the hypothesis itself is without merit...it is not science..science requires you to be able to test, measure, observe it.
Aliens - testable (if a bit time consuming)
Deitys - untestible
There is no logical fallicy I am committing beyond being a bit presumptious as to how the tests will eventually turn out...in a way, one could see that as faith, I simply view it as a statistical certainty.,,the dice are loaded and we got a trillion trillion chances to roll snake eyes.
1faith noun ˈfāth
plural faithsˈfāths, sometimes ˈfāthz
Definition of FAITH
1a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religionb (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3: something that is believed especially with strong conviction;
especially : a system of religious beliefs
— on faith
: without question
Examples of FAITH
His supporters have accepted his claims with blind faith.
Our faith in the government has been badly shaken by the recent scandals.
Lending him the money to start his own business was an act of faith.
It requires a giant leap of faith for us to believe that she is telling the truth.
Nothing is more important to her than her faith in God.
She says that her faith has given her the courage to deal with this tragedy.
Origin of FAITH
Middle English feith, from Anglo-French feid, fei, from Latin fides; akin to Latin fidere to trust — more at bide
First Known Use: 13th century
Related to FAITH
Synonyms: devotion, piety, religion
Antonyms: atheism, godlessness
guess: a message expressing an opinion based on incomplete evidence
a hypothesis that has been formed by speculating or conjecturing (usually with little hard evidence); "speculations about the outcome of the election"; "he dismissed it as mere conjecture"
an investment that is very risky but could yield great profits; "he knew the stock was a speculation when he bought it"
meditation: continuous and profound contemplation or musing on a subject or series of subjects of a deep or abstruse nature; "the habit of meditation is the basis for all real knowledge"
(wiki)
The Drake equation states that:
where:
N = the number of civilizations in our galaxy with which communication might be possible;
and
R* = the average rate of star formation per year in our galaxy
fp = the fraction of those stars that have planets
ne = the average number of planets that can potentially support life per star that has planets
fℓ = the fraction of the above that actually go on to develop life at some point
fi = the fraction of the above that actually go on to develop intelligent life
fc = the fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space
L = the length of time such civilizations release detectable signals into space.[3]
Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
Originally posted by amari
What if she or the UN sells out mankind and gives the go ahead to exterminate 5 billion humans or enslave the world population. What if she or the UN gives the go ahead to aliens to eat as many humans as they wish. What if she gives the go ahead to evacuate millions of people off this planet to be taken to God knows where. You may laugh but these are serious concerns for mankind. You may say this will never happen but can you guarantee it will never happen. Aliens will have far advanced technology and will want to control everything just like Cortez did when he invaded the Aztecs in Mexico. You may say the aliens will not harm us and will let humans exist and live their lives as usual. I say dream on.
I don't think you are giving due credit to ET. There is much to said about the idea that if ET wanted to exterminate some or all of Human life, or enslave you, it would have already have happened. As it hasn't; it seems clear that ET has no such intention. Also, ET doesn't eat Humans, while all space faring species are or rather were preditors, there are few, if any, species that roam the galaxy in search of food, there are far better ways.
There is currently no need of evacuating any of you to anywhere, yet, what if there is that "perfect" solar storm? Would you want to stay here?
You are right, these are serious concerns, yet, the answers to many of them are right in front of you, all you need do is recognize this face.
Comparing us to the likes of Cortez is an insult! None of us are quite that backward. Most of us have evolved for hundreds to thousands of years beyond Human kind. The likes of Cortez would be considered a criminal in virtually any space faring society.
You may think that ET has motives and intent to cause harm to Earth and Humans; You are wrong! While not all ET's are the most friendly towards aliens such ah Humans, very few would seek to cause harm. With the array of different ET species and their respective governments, I don't think you will have any trouble finding a "good fit". You may still have cause for concern over the Humans you allow to run your governments, but, that is your problem, and you cannot blame ET for that.
You place your trust in total strangers every minute of every day, the only difference is that they are the same species as you. Trusting in ET to do the right thing is no different, we are at least as civilized as you.
As for the U.N. or other Terrestrial governments; you really have little choice. ET has already been talking with the UN anf the G20. Preliminary agreements have already been struck, and it is likely way too late for you to hold planetary elections on who you will have as negociators. The general feel I am getting from both Humans and my people is that disclosure is less than a year away.
Etharzi od Oma,
Anthra
Originally posted by amari
There are good aliens and bad aliens the problem is the U.S. negotiated with the bad aliens.
ET does not eat humans? I do not know that.
Comparing Cortez as an invader like the ETs, I do and yes there will be a tremendous technology and a mental capacity gap hundreds to thousands of years beyond Human kind. The likes of Cortez would be considered a criminal in virtually any space faring society, dream on. In many circles Cortez was considered a hero in Europe and you are considering all aliens are nice little fuzzy beings that will do no harm? Let me set the record straight I do not in any way condone what Cortez did to the Aztec civilization.
What makes you think the ETs are not running and controlling the show from underground and in space anyway? I understand many humans, but I do not trust Ets because they have a different mind set and agenda good or bad. Of course the aliens have been in communications with governments and the UN I mentioned that. Yes We have a choice are you saying surrender and our voice does not matter at all. Let me correct you it is never ever to late to have elections on any issue. Disclosure has already been made in many circles or have you missed it.
Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by SaturnFX
Please excuse me but if it's speculative and your belief then why do you speak in statements of fact? Through out the OP and up until recent?
And incidentally, why must they be friendly or hostile? You did not cover the fact that they could be neutral.
Originally posted by insubordinate
You are entitled to your own opinion that if aliens did "Exist" this is a reasoning behind it... However you are making it out to be factual and people need to know that this is only your opinion!
Originally posted by TheFlash
I don't think it's religion, though it may be a part of it. I think it is due to the other topic that is never does any good to debate with people about - politics.
Originally posted by enkira
Originally posted by TheFlash
I don't think it's religion, though it may be a part of it. I think it is due to the other topic that is never does any good to debate with people about - politics.
Religion and politics well,they've been up and down the memory ,lane hand in hand since history was written...often times we find it hard to recognize which is which...its only very recently that religion was toned down such as church and state separation...islam never did, their koran is their constitution (sharia law), the xtians their bibles and politicians are affililiated to religious congregations who has the "numbers" aka members...
our generation maybe "modernized" up front, and politics seems honorable to some degree, but its religion that makes this world go round...
Originally posted by insubordinate
You are entitled to your own opinion that if aliens did "Exist" this is a reasoning behind it... However you are making it out to be factual and people need to know that this is only your opinion!
How do you know this is the reasoning behind aliens not making official contact?
Why do you assume and what has lead to this assumption?
Until it happens we will never know and until that day comes I remain "Skeptical" about Aliens & UFOs
I just finished reading one of my favorite net philosophers and his take on the whole UFO/ET thing. He has put together a fantastic hypothesis that seems the most logical aspect of the why in regards to ETs (why they are here, why they haven't landed on the white house lawn, etc).