Muslims do NOT care if we burn the Koran! They care about THIS!

reply to post by Juan520

Hi Juan520
Didn't Bert once appear next to bin laden on a poster? ....

There is most def a threat from islamists but various governments do like to spread the fear; Easier to control a scared population I guess.

Former Australian PM attacks multiculturalism

John Howard, the former prime minister of Australia, has attacked "multiculturalism" in English-speaking nations, saying that some countries have gone too far in accommodating Muslim minorities.

He criticised those who would make cultural identity "mushy and unclear and undistinct," rejecting the "assumption that the way to win favour from extremism is to make yourself a little more attractive to that extremism."

www.telegraph.co.uk...

At least 20 Britons are undergoing terrorist training in Pakistan to launch Mumbai-style shootings and suicide attacks in Britain

The young Muslims, who all hold British passports, are said to have travelled into the lawless tribal areas of Pakistan to join training camps run by al-Qaeda and their associated militant groups.

The disclosure comes after the CIA launched drone strikes on Pakistan training camps in North and South Waziristan in an attempt to disrupt an al-Qaeda plot to launch an attack targeting Britain, France and Germany.

The 10 Pakistani terrorists who attacked Mumbai in India two years ago killed 166 people and injured more than 300. The attack marked a shift in tactics in the use of terrorist soldiers on the ground using guns and grenades, rather than suicide bombers targeting transport networks.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

If i can tell everyone something, in the 1980's there was a mass killing of Bahai's in iran due to political and religious problems. Thousands died and hundreds kept in prison. For years Islam has hated the bahai faith because it teaches that universal love, tolerance, compasion and respect are primary. Women should be treated as equals to men, houses of worship are homes of bahai's that share the space with others in respect to there faith. No monetary commitments its all volutary and very private so no one knows who decided to give to charity or in house functions. I dont hate islam its a beautifull religion but in time all religions turn sour. When power is centralized it corrupts. Best way to avoid it is to have equal say in matters and instead of appointing people because of birth or pollitical affiliation it should be based on voting and commitment to said faith. Israel took in thousands of bahai's during that period, bahai's dont try to convert people or say that they are better than anyone
but tend to think that all prophets are manifestations of the universal god. Its sad but islam and others dont think that way and tend to vilify people who try to bring equality to one another. One thing is that no bahai will ever kill another person or participate in violence, thats why most islamic countrys tried to kill them off because they would not convert or join in wars.

Its sad but islam and others dont think that way and tend to vilify people who try to bring equality to one another.

Would 'others' also include the Bahaiis refusal to acknowledge lesbian or gay relationships?

Thats the problem with all of the organaised Abrahamic religions, once you scratch around a bit they all disaprove of something.
Strange really,seeing as we are all made in gods image.

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Cool, please explain to me how sharia affects my daily life because, and Im being honest here, it kinda doesn't.

Yeah, lets wait until it does..

I think that significant part of muslim community would not hesitate to introduce sharia law in the west, if they could. That is a cause for concern, at least.

reply to post by Maslo

Yeah, lets wait until it does..

Theres the fear again. Tell me, do you guys ever get bored of doing the terrorists work for them? You do know they want us to fear and mistrust each other, right?

I think that significant part of muslim community would not hesitate to introduce sharia law in the west, if they could.

Happily we have no need to rely on what you think, we have us a survey! Remember the policy exchange document that olli posted and that you both agreed was sound?:

59% of Muslims would prefer to live
under British law, compared to 28%
who would prefer to live under sharia
law. 37% of 16-24 year olds prefer sharia
compared to 17% of 55+ year olds.

A majority of British citizens who happen to be muslim would prefer to live under British law!

Personaly, I am far more concerned at the Europisation of Britain than supposed islamification, as I'm not sure that the free movement of economic migrants is beneficial to the UK interest.

reply to post by joewalker

Theres the fear again. Tell me, do you guys ever get bored of doing the terrorists work for them? You do know they want us to fear and mistrust each other, right?

Who "they" ? Last time I checked, all "their" media were unisono spouting political corectness, multi-culti and hate crime crap. I dont remember if I ever heard about negative impacts of immigration from them, but I hear a lot about so called "racism" and "tolerance". Just see for example recent affair with illegal immigrants in France.
So if we want to take it from the NWO conspiracy standpoint, isnt it more likely YOU who is doing work for them?

Happily we have no need to rely on what you think, we have us a survey! Remember the policy exchange document that olli posted and that you both agreed was sound?:

Yes, and I consider the numbers in the survey very disturbing. They are showing that significant part of british muslims supports religious fundamentalism and sharia law. I know its not majority, but 37% is still very shocking number to me, especially because the numbers show an increasing trend, if you compare elders and youngs. I wouldnt worry if it was like 5%, but not 37! Dont you consider that statistic at least a bit worrying? I cant believe that..

Personaly, I am far more concerned at the Europisation of Britain than supposed islamification, as I'm not sure that the free movement of economic migrants is beneficial to the UK interest.

That is a problem too, I agree, but islamification is also, maybe even more dangerous in the long run. Good immigration policy would solve both.

Originally posted by joewalker
Theres the fear again. Tell me, do you guys ever get bored of doing the terrorists work for them?

The terrorists are happy to let Muslim populations grow in the West. In fact, they wouldn't have it any other way.

Here is a another survey on British Muslim students attitudes.

40% want Sharia law introduced into British Law for Muslims.

33% want the introduction of a worldwide Islamic Caliph (government) based on Sharia law, while 25% are opposed. 41% are not sure.

32% felt it could be justifiable to kill in the name of religion.

57% felt that Muslims serving in the UK armed forces should have the right to opt out if the British army is fighting in a Muslim country.

today.yougov.co.uk...

Originally posted by joewalker
You do know they want us to fear and mistrust each other, right?

I am afraid that people's apprehensions are very much based in reality.

'Islamization' of Paris a Warning to the West

PARIS - Friday in Paris. A hidden camera shows streets blocked by huge crowds of Muslim worshippers and enforced by a private security force.

An ordinary French citizen who has been watching the Islamization of Paris decided that the world needed to see what was happening to his city. He used a hidden camera to start posting videos on YouTube.

His life has been threatened and so he uses the alias of "Maxime Lepante."

www.cbn.com...

Watch the a video in the cbn link above or watch on YouTube

www.youtube.com...

reply to post by Maslo

Hey Maslo, sorry for the delay in replying. I was busy laughing at your mates latest attempt at disinfo, that I accidently deleted my original.

So if we want to take it from the NWO conspiracy standpoint, isnt it more likely YOU who is doing work for them?

'They' are the terrorists and planners who seek to, well, terrorise - YOU are happy to help the terrorists by spreading hate and divide, I am not.
You believe the islamification line put forth by Steyn and Phillips et al without once questioning the motives. I do not. Sorry, no NWO conspiracies here, just a continuation of the old ones.

But then, I've lived under the threat of terrorism for most of my life and refuse to be scared by them. I am also aware from just where the Police and security experts receive much of their information.

I dont remember if I ever heard about negative impacts of immigration from them, but I hear a lot about so called "racism" and "tolerance". Just see for example recent affair with illegal immigrants in France

Read a copy of the Daily Fail, er, Mail and you will see lots of it. Sometimes its even true.

The recent action by the French against the Roma prob was against European law and the banning of garments which cover the face is more about government seeking to restrict 'freedoms'; Something which will become very obvious the next time the French unions try to protest (about anything). You dont really believe it was about what a mere 1'800 women wear, do you?

Yes, and I consider the numbers in the survey very disturbing. They are showing that significant part of british muslims supports religious fundamentalism and sharia law. I know its not majority, but 37% is still very shocking number to me, especially because the numbers show an increasing trend, if you compare elders and youngs. I wouldnt worry if it was like 5%, but not 37! Dont you consider that statistic at least a bit worrying? I cant believe that

Depends whether you believe the survey and source can be trusted or not.
Policy Exchange (PE) has been found to be less than honest in the past and while that shouldn’t negate all their research surely it should be questioned.
The problems of methodology in opinion surveys are very well known and discussed elsewhere.

Honestly maslo, I do not believe the percentages presented by PE although I do believe that the overall gist of the survey is correct.
But lets speculate:
Am I shocked that a minority say they would prefer sharia to British law? No, not very, its a good way to make a political point.

Am I shocked that a minority say that the punishment for leaving their religion should be death? Slightly, although I don’t believe that to be a significant view within British Muslims and it doesn’t affect me as I am neither a current nor former Muslim. But happily, your mate ollc has just posted yet another survey which proves the point.

That is a problem too, I agree, but islamification is also, maybe even more dangerous in the long run. Good immigration policy would solve both

No, I disagree. The EU freedom of movement is costing the UK economy both money and jobs and at a time when British subjects, people of all race and creeds, need both.

Polish migrants living in Britain claiming £21m in child benefits for children left behind:
www.dailymail.co.uk...
£50m/ yr paid out so migrants don’t bring their kids with them and that maslo, is just the tip of the iceberg.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by joewalker
Theres the fear again. Tell me, do you guys ever get bored of doing the terrorists work for them?

The terrorists are happy to let Muslim populations grow in the West. In fact, they wouldn't have it any other way.

FYI If anyone wants to see an amazing theme...check out ollncasino's posting history.

Hundreds of posts if not over a thousand by now..A single topic...Hate Mongering toward Muslims...

I take solace in history…America has survived xenophobic and bigoted lunatics before and we will survive it again…

The bigots and hate-mongers will return to beneath the rocks from whence they came…History has shown we survive these times.....

Like when people murdered Catholics in the streets in the 19th century…

Anti-Catholic animus in the United States reached a peak in the nineteenth century when the Protestant population became alarmed by the influx of Catholic immigrants. Some American Protestants, having an increased interest in prophecies regarding the end of time, claimed that the Catholic Church was the Whore of Babylon in the Book of Revelation. The resulting "nativist" movement, which achieved prominence in the 1840s, was whipped into a frenzy of anti-Catholicism that led to mob violence, the burning of Catholic property, and the killing of Catholics.This violence was fed by claims that Catholics were destroying the culture of the United States.

en.wikipedia.org...

Or when John F. Kennedy was elected…

The issue persisted throughout the campaign. As in 1928, bigots and extremists on the right continued to issue warnings that the Pope would be governing America if Kennedy were elected. Anti-Catholic tracts were distributed to millions of homes, along with radio and TV attacks and countless mailings. Kennedy won by the barest of margins…

books.google.com...=onepage&q=catholic%20discrimi nation%20kennedy&f=false

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Is 'Islamophobia' a Worldwide Free Speech Threat?

COPENHAGEN, Denmark -- Freedom of speech around the world has been a hallmark of Christian civilization, but today there is less and less freedom to criticize Islam.

In Denmark, a 15-year-old Danish boy faces prison time for distributing leaflets warning that the country could someday become a Muslim nation and that he thinks that is a bad thing. A Danish prosecutor called the leaflets "hate speech."

It does not matter if the criticism is factual.

For instance, Islam teaches that when Mohammed was 52, he consummated his marriage to a 9-year-old girl. But when Austrian politician Susanne Winter said that, in today's world, Mohammed would be considered a child molester, she was convicted of hate speech.

Dutch Parliament member Geert Wilders is awaiting trial on the charge of "inciting hatred and discrimination." In Wilders' short film about Islamic violence "Fitna," he simply reprinted violent verses from the Koran itself and added video of radical sermons and photos of Islamic terrorism.

"He's being accused of hate speech for repeating in a film what radical imams and religious leaders have been saying about their own motives and their beliefs," Hedegaard said. "They're not being prosecuted for hate speech. He's being prosecuted for repeating it."

The censorship of criticism of Islam is also in America as well.

A new book about the 2005 Danish Mohammed cartoon controversy, The Cartoons that Shook the World, contains no pictures of the Mohammed cartoons. The American publisher Yale University Press decided it would be too offensive to Muslims to actually show the cartoons.

The Wilders case is just a small part of a growing worldwide phenomenon-- the censorship of any speech that criticizes Islam.

"You'd better care because this is a road circus that's coming your way," Hedegaard warned Americans.
Wilders agreed, saying, "Don't think this won't happen to you. Don't think it won't happen to the United States."

www.cbn.com...

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Norway terror plot 'targeted Danish paper'

Three terror suspects who were arrested in an alleged al-Qaeda plot in Norway were probably planning an attack against a Danish newspaper that caricatured the Prophet Muhammad, police have said.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

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KUHNER: Radical Islam's conquest of America

The Sept. 11 attacks were committed by Muslim extremists in the name of holy war against the West. They used the Koran and Islamic principles to justify their actions. Their goal was to bring jihad to America, unleashing a clash of civilizations. Across the world, Islamists seek to impose a world Muslim empire based on Shariah law. Ground zero is where the war came home to America.

Hence, the building of this mosque is a sacrilegious act - a deliberate slap in the face to the victims, their families and all Americans. It also is why the sponsors of this project refuse to back down.

The imam spearheading the initiative, Feisal Abdul Rauf, is an unrepentant militant Muslim, an Islamist fellow traveler. He has said publicly that "United States policies were an accessory" to the Sept. 11 attacks. In other words, in his view, we brought the atrocities upon ourselves. He is a defender of Hamas, justifying the mass murder of innocent Jews (and Palestinians). He has called for the introduction of Shariah law courts in America.

In short, he openly seeks the Islamization of America.

Mr. Rauf is a typical Islamist hypocrite: He uses the U.S. Constitution to demand the exercise of religious freedom while advocating for Shariah law, which fuses church and state and seeks to subjugate non-Muslims. Islamists are using our freedoms in an effort to destroy our freedoms.

Moreover, much of the $100 million in funding for the mosque is coming from Saudi Arabia. Riyadh has been aggressively supporting the building of madrassas and mosques around the world. The Saudi regime promotes Wahhabism, a particularly virulent strain of Islam.

www.washingtontimes.com...

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FYI If anyone wants to see an amazing theme...check out ollncasino's posting history. Hundreds of posts if not over a thousand by now..A single topic...Hate Mongering toward Muslims...

Isnt it more alarming that after this amount of posts he still has material to post? Majority of his posts are not mindless rants, but contain documented cases of criminal acts motivated by islamic fundamentalism and culture. I dare you to find similar amount of criminal acts motivated by any other religion! Otherwise you dont have right to criticize him. Stating facts is not hate mongering.

Originally posted by Maslo
Majority of his posts are not mindless rants, but contain documented cases of criminal acts motivated by islamic fundamentalism and culture. I dare you to find similar amount of criminal acts motivated by any other religion!

Otherwise you dont have right to criticize him. Stating facts is not hate mongering.

Unfortunately, the incidents I have posted are just the tip of the iceberg.

What is frightening is that a small (but thankfully ever decreasing) minority are keen to defend Islamic intolerance. All in the name of tolerance!


For instance, under Sharia Law

1. Unlawful Intercourse—Zina: This occurs when a person has sexual relations with anyone not their spouse, nor a concubine (Shari’ah accepts sexual slavery).

The punishment here can be stoning, lashing, or both, depending upon the school.

Naturally, homosexual men are not married under Islamic law and can look forward to the above punishments.

2. Drinking of Wine—Shurb: Alcohol was not originally illegal but became so after Muhammad was appalled at the drunkenness of Arab society.

The penalty for intoxicant imbibing is 20-40 lashes.

3. Leaving Islam - Apostates may renounce Islam by word or deed, including rejecting axiomatic articles of faith, like denying Muhammad’s mission, fasting, or disrespecting the Qur’an.

The apostate (ridda) is given three days to reflect, then put to death.

Some schools only execute men, whereas the women are kept alive but flogged during the hours of prayer.

Studies of Saudi Arabia states that apostates are beheaded in Saudi Arabia before huge crowds on Friday afternoons, in the public square, directly after prayer time has ceased.

canadafreepress.com...

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Jeffery T Kuhner, the self styled ‘last honest man in Washington’.

Jeffery is also, in his words, “a devout Catholic”. So using his (cough) logic that all Muslims are condemned by the action of a few, does that mean that all Catholics condone child abuse?

Of course it doesn’t.

The imam spearheading the initiative, Feisal Abdul Rauf, is an unrepentant militant Muslim, an Islamist fellow traveler. He has said publicly that "United States policies were an accessory" to the Sept. 11 attacks.

And that most religious man with a direct line to god and Jesus - Pat Robinson also said something very similar in the aftermath of the attacks, inferring that American domestic policies were to blame for the murderous attacks of 9/11.

So ollnc to bring this thread back on topic, would you agree or disagree that Western policies towards Countries and people in the mid east and se Asia may have, just possibly, laid the foundations for the stupid acts of murder we see today?

Before you go off on another cut and paste rampage, search ATS for the 'Eisenhower memo'.

Moreover, much of the $100 million in funding for the mosque is coming from Saudi Arabia. Riyadh has been aggressively supporting the building of madrassas and mosques around the world. The Saudi regime promotes Wahhabism, a particularly virulent strain of Islam.

Excellent work by our Jeffery. The best propaganda ‘writers’ mix a little bit of truth in with the rant and here is a little bit of truth, though he forgot to mention the salafi’s.

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Jeffery is also, in his words, “a devout Catholic”. So using his (cough) logic that all Muslims are condemned by the action of a few, does that mean that all Catholics condone child abuse? Of course it doesn’t.

Of course not, nobody says that all muslims support shariah and restrictions of freedom. But if one third of catholics would support child abuse, I would definitely be alarmed!

Originally posted by joewalker
So ollnc to bring this thread back on topic, would you agree or disagree that Western policies towards Countries and people in the mid east and se Asia may have, just possibly, laid the foundations for the stupid acts of murder we see today?

134th teacher assassinated by Muslim terrorists in Thailand this year

undhimmi.com...

You appear to be suggesting that Islamic terrorists in Thailand have killed 134 Thai teachers this year due to Western policies?

You appear to be have very little understanding of what motivates Islamic terrorists.

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But is it faith?:

An influential Muslim scholar has issued a global ruling against terrorism and suicide bombing.

In his religious ruling, delivered in London, Dr Qadri says that Islam forbids the massacre of innocent citizens and suicide bombings.

Islamic scholar Tahir ul-Qadri issues terrorism fatwa