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Originally posted by bsbray11
It's also a conflict of interest to be commenting on what a "truth movement" should or shouldn't do, when you aren't even involved with it and in fact disagree with basically everything anyone associated with it says.
Originally posted by exponent
Why do you find this so hard to believe? Would you please stop doubting my intentions and focus on the topic at hand?
Originally posted by OldDragger
The "truth" movement will continue as it has.
It is a cottage industry to sell books and videos. It's members will continue in their self righteous rambling, more BS will be added to the present mythology ( to sell new books and DVD's), the whole thing has already become like the moon landing conspiracy or the JFK assasination, just a genre for conspiacy fans.
If anything were proof, or even close to proof of an "inside job", we would know it by now. Oh sure, you guys will say there is proof. Please don't post your boring "research" I can read that crap in the 9/11 forum if I want to.
Facts and reason are not on the truthers side. It's just another moderm myth.
Originally posted by exponent
There must be someone here who wants to propose an experiment that can be carried out, that wants to discuss what theories are most plausible currently.
I will help out in any way I can, but I can't push forward a movement I don't belong to.
Originally posted by bsbray11
and now many organizations that act independently of each other, the only common denominator being that they all disagree with government reports and want better ones.
I too wish more people would actually spend time performing physical experiments.
Originally posted by exponent
For example, do people still adhere to the idea that the fires did not reach ~1000C at ceiling levels? We could easily come up with experimental criteria to test this, NIST already have done so in fact so we could just steal theirs, but that is the sort of discussion I want to have.
Of interest is the maximum value which is fairly regularly found. This value turns out to be around 1200°C, although a typical post-flashover room fire will more commonly be 900~1000°C. The time-temperature curve for the standard fire endurance test, ASTM E 119 [13] goes up to 1260°C, but this is reached only in 8 hr. In actual fact, no jurisdiction demands fire endurance periods for over 4 hr, at which point the curve only reaches 1093°C
Originally posted by ANOK
(And no that is not a 'truther' site, or a damned fool conspiracy site)
WTC 2 fell after an hour of fire, not enough time to reach 1000C. But regardless room temperature does not indicate steel temperatures. The steel itself will not reach the same temp as the room until equilibrium is reached and ALL the steel that's connected is uniformly heated, as the heat spreads through the steel effectively cooling the hot spots.
Originally posted by OldDragger
I just love the holographic, the no plane, missle pd, etc "theories".
Originally posted by exponent
Originally posted by ANOK
(And no that is not a 'truther' site, or a damned fool conspiracy site)
WTC 2 fell after an hour of fire, not enough time to reach 1000C. But regardless room temperature does not indicate steel temperatures. The steel itself will not reach the same temp as the room until equilibrium is reached and ALL the steel that's connected is uniformly heated, as the heat spreads through the steel effectively cooling the hot spots.
That's not actually true, but it's not too far off.
Still, shouldn't you be interested in the actual fire temperatures from that day? I'm trying not to make this a thread for debate, rather for a thread to come up with concrete ways for the truth movement to move forward. Ideas that need to be formulated, experiments that need to be done etc. Can you help with this?
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Originally posted by bsbray11
Originally posted by OldDragger
I just love the holographic, the no plane, missle pd, etc "theories".
Of course you do. Because then you can just act incredulous of everything except the official story and pretend like it makes more sense.
Like I said, I never see you on the more technical threads. You just look for good opportunities to rant off apparently. That's okay though, my grandparents do the same thing but I still love them despite all their outdated perspectives on world politics.