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Originally posted by Hefficide
The fact that my idea of Heaven is rather hedonistic, involving notions of a hedonistic keg party without end...
I can say that I've wrestled with the premise you are suggesting for a long time and have never come to a satisfactory conclusion.
I would like to hear some input from Christians but
obviously any/all opinions are welcome.
sense the closest we seem to get to heaven here on earth is
during sex, an easy example for me is, how long could an amazing
orgasm last before it started to actually kinda suck or feel
psychotic? 15 minutes? an hour? 4 day orgasm? 20 year long orgasm?
wouldn't you want it to end at some point then?
if all you know is pleasure and there is no more pain...
wouldn't you basically forget what pain was eventually
and no longer be able to appreciate the pleasure?
It's a paradox
Now, if the child is in hell and the mother is in heaven. How can it be heaven for the mother if her child is burning in hell?
Originally posted by LordBucket
reply to post by bodes
sense the closest we seem to get to heaven here on earth is
during sex, an easy example for me is, how long could an amazing
orgasm last before it started to actually kinda suck or feel
psychotic? 15 minutes? an hour? 4 day orgasm? 20 year long orgasm?
wouldn't you want it to end at some point then?
I don't think anyone is suggesting that in heaven you'll be tied down to a chair and given compulsory orgasms until you go insane.
If you want it to end...then, it ends? Why is that such a stretch? If we simplify and say that the premise of heaven is "it's a great place," how do you take it from there to this idea that it's a "permanent state of compulsory bliss from which there is no escape, mwahahah!"
Consider here on earth. Maybe one night you have great sex. The following night you see a great movie. The third night you snuggle with cuddly bunny rabbits while sipping schnapps. You have a great time each night. Is there any contradiction here? Of course not. Sure...you probably would get bored havign sex for three days straight, but there's no reason to try to do that when there are movies and bunny rabbits too.
if all you know is pleasure and there is no more pain...
wouldn't you basically forget what pain was eventually
and no longer be able to appreciate the pleasure?
...do you really believe that your ability to appreciate pleasure is based on your ability to compare and contrast it with the experience of pain?
Really?
if God could make a heaven, why are we here now? Why do we
have to play this grand game when we could have all defaulted
to a Heaven experience and skipped all the BS?
if God could make a heaven, why are we here now? Why do we
have to play this grand game when we could have all defaulted
to a Heaven experience and skipped all the BS?
yes, I really am suggesting that perhaps we do
need pain to have pleasure. Really
As I understand it heaven is the place where you go when you die, if you have followed the teachings of Christ and have lived a "good" life.
I understand hell to be basically the complete opposite of this. You go here if you choose not to give yourself over to Christ and have lived a sinful life.