Calling all Debunkers, and anyone who thinks Holocaust Denial is offensive, debunk this!

You see, This is exactly the problem I was referring to earlier.

I asked What exactly is the holocaust ?

AngryCymraeg posted...

No, it refers to the Jews that were mass-murdered by the Germans.

Whilst neformore posted...

The holocaust refers to all people who were mass executed at the hands of the Nazi's in WW2

And that is why you can't have a discussion about the holocaust, because it is an umbrella term with varying meanings.




Oh and bknapple32 "Hence the crickets " I think you may be suffering from Tinitus......I hear no crickets.

Two interesting propaganda methods there.

"We all know that..."

~ when actually "we" don't, Eric. You think it, and your ilk thinks it. "We all" don't know it though. Trying to reinforce your prejudice with an affirmative statement doesn't work

And then Ken comes along to try and reinforce the propaganda with

"And that is why you can't have a discussion about the holocaust, because it is an umbrella term with varying meanings"

~ which tries to obfuscate the issue once again and suggest that - because people aren't quite seeing it his way that there is a problem.

Its easy to discuss the holocaust and include all its victims, but deniers don't want to concede that because that way they can't get their bigotry in.

reply to post by neformore


It's semantics. The point is it has, without a doubt, affected the attitude of the U.S. Judeo-Christians toward supporting Israel NOW. It has Jewish bankster (Goldman Sachs) backed politicians letting their constituents know they are sympathetic to Israel BECAUSE OF THE HOLOCAUST and subsequent Christian values of Americans because some make believe book says so.

And I don't have an ilk except the evidence that speaks to my own logic. Logic that if presented to any rational person for examinations would be suspect. And again, it's semantics NOW, it's the blowback it has created justifying the Neoconservative agenda for global fascist dominance using religion as a control mechanism to divide and conquer humanity with an "us vs. them" mentality.

reply to post by EricChanning


Oops, let me rephrase that ((reference error...arrrgghh).

That is to say the accepted Holocaust story would be suspect if presented and examined by any rational person's logic and not that "the logic was suspected".

Originally posted by EricChanning
It has Jewish bankster (Goldman Sachs) backed politicians letting their constituents know they are sympathetic to Israel BECAUSE OF THE HOLOCAUST and subsequent Christian values of Americans because some make believe book says so.

I wasn't aware that Goldman Sachs was jewish. Can you provide some cites for that? Other than, of course, some comments about the name?

reply to post by AngryCymraeg


There is a hierarchy of financial players involved stemming from the U.S.'s relationship with Israel. The rabbit hole goes pretty deep and yes, Goldman Sachs in part of the "money changers" network. Religion i.e. the Judeo-Christian acceptance of the U.S.s relationship with Israel is just one of the control mechanisms being deployed. The Holocaust story also sets up emotional response that governs the unsuspected "good Christian's" religious morality that drives the decision making process over riding people's ability to think analytically and critically.

It's simply too much work for the average American to think for themselves. So the Zionist controlled media creates an attitude that serves their interest; which chiefly keeps the U.S. Sheople using the current monetary system. A monetary system based on fiat currency used to control primarily finite resources, like oil i.e. the petro dollar, and other finite commodities without any backing. It also allow for fractional banking and creating debt out of thin air; controlling people as "debt slaves". Currently, the average American is $65,000 negative net worth.

How "I" perceive this vast network of manipulation may not "speak" to you. It may not stir you to dive in to the rabbit hole as I have. I can say I am a trained scientist; my mind is wired to be highly skeptical and non-emotional and allows multiple hypotheses in the possibility space. I am also an atheist, a Libertarian, I have both series 7 and 66 SEC financial certifications as well as a Certified Financial Manager and a Accredited Asset Manager Specialist.

I was also a Walmart Business Analyst working with global markets of Consumer Packaged Goods for a couple of years so I understand syndicated data and consumer behaviorism as it relates to driving profits and maximizing throughput based on demographic models, ethnic groups, communities, competition, opening price points and the many aspects of marketing to various economic and environmental variables.

However, I have no delusions of grandeur that I will ever understand the intricacies of the global elite that control the world. I am not part of the best and the brightest they recruit and use to drive their agenda. And I may not be able to out run the bear but I don't have to, I only need to out run the slowest camper...

You many not want to spend the thousands of hours I have so I can give you a couple of sites I feel "tell the tale" and cut to the chase. Not necessarily the Holocaust story. That's just part of the manipulation as I've explained above,"hype" to provoke emotion...etc. But if you are interested, listen to this YouTube video interview and read the link. I do think awareness is important and the Holocaust story being fore fronted is just a tool to manipulate weak minded people to feel sorry for Jewish people shadowing the Jewish Zionist covert shadow operations behind the financial institutions.

I was robbed once. Someone broke into my dorm room while I was out-of-town and stole a few things including some shirts that were private labeled for one clothing store in my small hometown. A few days later, I saw this guy wearing one of my stolen shirts. I alerted the dorm management and we confronted the thief, identifying the shirt with the private label. The thief was African American, on scholarship for basketball, said I was being prejudice. He got several other African Americans all worked up for the persecuted for being black and calling him a thief. Then a bunch of these the rodeo team stepped in; seeing the obvious and they too we called prejudice; the name calling started, one of the other black guys called one of the rodeo guys "a cracker ass" and the white guys said the "n" word. The thief's defense was taking my stuff was reparation for slavery and the persecution and plight of being African American.

That's exactly what happens when you say anything about many Jews and money. Regardless of the truth, they call you racist and quite often talk about the persecution and the Holocaust. They don't want to just "let it go" because it's a tool they can justify with "guilting" others to "turn the other cheek" and feel sorry for them or whatever. And as the case may be, make it down-right rude and politically incorrect; even shameful to suggest anything but the canned explanation. And I'm sure many Jews have been told b.s. stories and feel sorry for themselves and defensive just like the guy who stole my shirt. It's just the culture he absorbed growing up in.

In my mind, both groups need to grow up and let it go. We are all humans; we all have the same African ancestors.

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reply to post by EricChanning


And I'm a former financial journalist who still works in the City of London and you know what? I've never seen anything of this so-called great conspiracy that you seem to have observed. And can I point out, once again, that the Holocaust is not a "story". You dishonour the memory of the millions of victims of the Nazis by describing it so. Shame on you.

reply to post by AngryCymraeg


The "dishonor" thing, really? It's more "dishonor" to give credence to one tiny group's b.s. story as victims in light of the over all devastation of WW2. You know, the other 99% of the victims, where's your honor for them? Where's the 20 million Chinese people's reparations? How about the 30 million Russians? You know, those folks that actually won the war and actually defeated the Nazi's and the Japanese and had by far the most casualties? Where's their shrine in Washington DC?

Instead, Truman got a hard on destroying any civil relationship that Roosevelt built with Russia (The USSR at the time) because he wanted to show off his short comings as a man by flexing the U.S.'s nukes. And guess why? Because war is good business, especially for the people who finance it. Guess who financed the U.S. nuke program? You guessed it! The same "people" that used the Holocaust to get the U.S. behind them and created the state of Israel in the process. Guess who "owns" Israel? Hmm, what a coincidence?!? But you don't see it (or don't want to see it)?

” The society will be dominated by an elite of persons free from traditional values who will have no doubt in fulfilling their objectives by means of purged techniques with which they will influence the behavior of people and will control and watch the society in all details. It will become possible to exert a practically permanent watch on each citizen of the world. ” – Zbigniew Brzezinski

reply to post by AngryCymraeg


In every premeditated "crime", there are three elements. Means, Motive and Opportunity.

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reply to post by EricChanning


Your entire post seems to based on poor research and dubious allegations. The atomic bomb programme was in fact funded by the US Government, as it required a huge amount of resources. Important elements were also added by the British Government, whose own Tube Alloys project was folded into the Manhattan Project. I wasn't aware of any claim that the Jews funded it.
As for Truman and the Soviets I think that you'll find that he was ruder then Roosevelt was because by the time that the latter died it was increasingly obvious that Stalin was only obeying those bits of the Yalta agreement that he thought were useful to him. He was not, in other words, trustworthy. Oh and finally - reparations? What reparations?
Again - I find your arguments unconvincing because I fail to see any evidence for them.

reply to post by AngryCymraeg


“Myth is much more important and true than history. History is just journalism and you know how reliable that is.”
― Joseph Campbell

Originally posted by BobJosef
reply to post by AngryCymraeg

 

“Myth is much more important and true than history. History is just journalism and you know how reliable that is.”
― Joseph Campbell

Given how much evidence we have for the Holocaust I fail to see the relevance of your quote.

Originally posted by BobJosef
reply to post by AngryCymraeg

 

“Myth is much more important and true than history. History is just journalism and you know how reliable that is.”
― Joseph Campbell

Actually, I'm tempted to point out that Holocaust Denial is the very worst form of myth.

reply to post by KurtKendrick


Right. Ok. Are you accusing the mods of pro-Holocaust thought control then? Based on what exactly?

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg
reply to post by KurtKendrick

 

Right. Ok. Are you accusing the mods of pro-Holocaust thought control then? Based on what exactly?

Well let's see, this thread is in its own happy little realm, and his post was censored, so...the facts seem to speak for themselves. If the mods were open minded this topic would not be buried.

Originally posted by Lord Jules

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg
reply to post by KurtKendrick

 

Right. Ok. Are you accusing the mods of pro-Holocaust thought control then? Based on what exactly?

Well let's see, this thread is in its own happy little realm, and his post was censored, so...the facts seem to speak for themselves. If the mods were open minded this topic would not be buried.

EXACTLY. In one word: Pathetic. Same old same old in here. So transparent it is laughable. Ofcourse we do not need to research other massacres. Why? Because it is legal to do so. You can research all you want: but -eh- except the Holocaust. That is forbidden by law. And THAT is exactly the reason why I started researching the Holocaust and know what I know today. And no 1000 super moderators can and will ever change my opinion. AND I will speak it in public. I do not submit to tyranny thank you very much. In Spain they already reversed these Draconian laws - GOOD FOR THEM.

The same old trolls post the same old defamation garbage on people who actually had something to say about the matter and could scientifically prove there are major issues with Auschwitz for one but hey - I could write about 10000 words about how wrong it is ti attack the messengers but I won't. It has all been said and written before as you can see in my posts, ken's and many many others.

Their only defense is ridicule and defamation and they are doing a damned fine job too.

They do not want the layman to start thinking on these issues. That is their biggest fear. Laymen: get busy. The more the merrier. The foundations are showing signs of wear and tear. Is that a crack forming?

reply to post by MoonMine


The foundations are just fine thank you and there are no cracks. There are just increasingly desperate attacks by Holocaust deniers who cannot face the truth - that it all happened.

ATS staff should just rename this forum as "Holocaust threads we don't like", since they have an open we don't like Hitler policy already.

reply to post by MoonMine


Good for you, their fanatacism will backfire, forcing more people to look behind the curtain and see the "wizard" for what he really is. All they have left is to censor, but that helps expose the fraud, so they are in a sticky situation, they can only distract, which they are good at (Miley Cyrus VMA's, Syrian War, UFO's, etc). But debate they are not good at, and censorship they can do, but it doesn't work. Distraction is their only advantage, mostly because people have a short attention span, but as the economy gets worse, that will not even be possible anymore. Keep up the good fight! You make me proud!