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Originally posted by just an allusion
Alright, so by "ZPE" we're referring to a Zero Point Energy system wherein the irreducible minimum energy possessed by a physical system is either equal to or greater than the amount of input energy required for it to function, you know, wherein the work product exceeds the amount of work required for it to work, and not so much a matter of a particular substance, object, or configuration of substances or objects, that generate a form of energy without any apparent outside influence or instigation ...Agreed?
Originally posted by DutchBigBoy
All the big corporations who make money with selling energy in various ways like oil companies do hold back the technology. They will not want their income to get lost.
[edit on 5-7-2010 by DutchBigBoy]
Originally posted by playswithmachines
First of all, my research in electromagnetics, gravity, & 'free' energy (free meaning you don't have to pay for it, or use any hydrocarbon fuel) goes back 30 years.
Originally posted by Larryman
On the basis of ZPE = Vacuum Energy... this new article may be of interest to some:
"Neutron Stars Are Doomed if Vacuum Energy Goes Wild"
www.space.com...
In the article is stated:
"What is often thought of as the empty vacuum of space is actually filled with ghostly energy and virtual particles wavering in and out of existence, a bizarre prediction of quantum theory that numerous experiments have proven true."
Originally posted by playswithmachines
reply to post by The Cusp
You will find you can pause the video and read the documents.
They state very clearly what ZPE is, where it comes from, & why it's being supressed. I also stated that most 'free energy' devices are faked, but the ones that actually work receive the most criticism, i also explained why.
The mathematical proof is there, so is the physical evidence.
I also know why some inventors meet with 'accidents' & why others don't.
Aspden & others explain how 'overunity' is not breaking any physical laws, Bearden's theory of 'engineering reality itself' is not as crazy as it seems.
It is clear that conventional EM theory is in a bad way.
What makes ME angry is that we should have had this technology 100 years ago
Originally posted by mbkennel
Originally posted by DutchBigBoy
All the big corporations who make money with selling energy in various ways like oil companies do hold back the technology. They will not want their income to get lost.
[edit on 5-7-2010 by DutchBigBoy]
That's total baloney.
The U.S. Army, Airforce & Navy spend tons of money dealing with fuel logistics. They would love to get rid of it all.
General Electric, Westinghouse, Toshiba, Siemens, Honeywell, L3, Lockheed, Boeing and SAIC would dream to design, sell, and service these new "free energy" devices.
It would be stupendously profitable, and together they are more important than the oil companies. Remember that now, 90% of the planet's remaining oil is owned by nationalized petroleum companies from places that capitalists are not fond of.
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Yes I think at the very least people need to stop calling it zero point energy if they expect to be able to get any energy out of it.
On the other hand, it saves me a lot of time researching ideas from ignorant people when they claim that they can extract energy from something that by definition is already at its lowest possible energy state:
Zero-point energy
You can read the rest of the explanation at the link.
Zero-point energy is the lowest possible energy that a quantum mechanical physical system may have and is the energy of the ground state...
The discovery of zero point energy did not alter the implausibility of perpetual motion machines. Much attention has been given to reputable science suggesting that zero point energy is infinite, but zero point energy is a minimum energy below which a thermodynamic system can never go, thus none of this energy can be withdrawn....
By the way we've already built the "Atmos clock" runs with no batteries or winding and extracts its energy from thin air without violating the laws of physics, so why are people so intent on trying to violate the laws of physics to extract energy, when we can extract energy from thin air without violating the laws of physics?
[edit on 24-8-2010 by Arbitrageur]
Originally posted by GeeGee
Well to be fair, Robert Forward showed that in principle, it is possible to extract energy from the vacuum, but the real question is whether or not you can extract any useful energy from the vacuum.
This paper describes his thought experiment well enough.
But undoubtedly the biggest question in relation to the quantum vacuum is how much energy is there. As I mentioned in another thread, GR states that if the energy density of the vacuum was really as large as some claim, then the universe would crumple into a tiny ball. So according to GR, there should be either zero or close to zero vacuum energy. Considering GR's success, it's a safe bet that there's little of it. However, the energy density of the vacuum is still a highly debated topic in physics and by no means resolved.
"What's the energy density of the vacuum?"
Originally posted by Amaterasu
I think it is fair to say there is a great deal of energy - the whole universe is accelerating in its expansion from it, after all. And how can you extract energy that is useless? That has me scratching my head.
However, if one is considering a net cyclical process on the basis of, say, the Casimir Effect, then energy would not be able to be continually extracted without a violation of the second law of thermodynamics. Thus, Forward’s process cannot be cycled to yield a continuous extraction of energy. Here, the recharging of the battery would, owing to frictional and other losses, require more energy than is gained from the ZPF. There is no useful engine cycle in this process; nonetheless, the plate-contraction phase of the cycle does demonstrate the ability to cause “extraction” of energy from the ZPF. It does reflect work done by the ZPF on matter.
Originally posted by playswithmachines
reply to post by imnotbncre8ive
Answering your questions;
1) the field varies infinitely with distance (of course you will never get an infinite charge because it will leak away to ares of lesser charge.
2) Vector A does not have a curl component, B does, this will be at a tangent to the vector A, being 90 deg.
3) Only if the particle is moving. Of course you can set it moving by varying mag field intensity (delta B)-and you can accelerate them almost to c.(particle beam weapons)
Maxwell clearly made the distinction between vector & scalar fields, a vector is composed of magnitude (power component) and direction (information component). A scalar field may be composed of magnitude & 3 dimensions phi, theta and radius-representing a 3d point in space.
A scalar may also have n extra dimensions, not direction related, but still regarded as 'information' functions.
How about Q? Is it really connected to the mass of a particle? Spin is also important, making field theory the most complex subject there is, no, i am not an 'expert' but i have made plenty of observations that show gaping holes in classical physics.
assuming the vacuum energy density is as enormous as some claim it to be.
Originally posted by Amaterasu
Originally posted by mbkennel
Originally posted by DutchBigBoy
All the big corporations who make money with selling energy in various ways like oil companies do hold back the technology. They will not want their income to get lost.
[edit on 5-7-2010 by DutchBigBoy]
That's total baloney.
The U.S. Army, Airforce & Navy spend tons of money dealing with fuel logistics. They would love to get rid of it all.
General Electric, Westinghouse, Toshiba, Siemens, Honeywell, L3, Lockheed, Boeing and SAIC would dream to design, sell, and service these new "free energy" devices.
It would be stupendously profitable, and together they are more important than the oil companies. Remember that now, 90% of the planet's remaining oil is owned by nationalized petroleum companies from places that capitalists are not fond of.
Not so. Free energy would eliminate the need for money, freeing Humanity in autonomous power over self, and eliminating power over others. Ergo, the present power elite will do anything to keep it suppressed. Read The End of Entropy linked in my sig.
Originally posted by Amaterasu
reply to post by GeeGee
My issue with the link you offer is that Einstein's work was based in large part on "Maxwell's" equations, which are really Heaviside/Briggs truncations of Maxwell's quaternions. This truncation threw out precisely half of what Maxwell described. It is no wonder that there is so much unexplained. And the assessments made in that article all bring up Einstein's work.