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Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
I'll gladly concur with these statements;
Reaper2137 - Trust no one..
Smack - Simple logic will suffice to expose a falsehood. It does not require any 'qualification', other than the ability to read and reason.
Tomblvd - I don't depend on anyone to tell me what the truth is. As far as things like the Apollo landings go, I trust the science. If someone tells me something, I only believe it if I can confirm it from other sources. NOBODY has a monopoly on the truth.
FoosM - nice scoop on the JW interview Dec 3 upload by un4g1v3n1 but the pt.3 and pt.4 didn't seem to make it up. FYI.edit on 12201012/4/1010 by SayonaraJupiter because: edit to add a smiley
Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by Smack
I have a PHD in common sense..
But then I'm not saying others are fools and hoaxers..
WW will be proud of you
Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
reply to post by Tomblvd
Tomblvd, I have a neutral stance on the sub-topic of radiation. I'd like to see a private space company launch a copy cat Apollo 8 and stream every second of the radiation data back to Earth in real time, open source formatting using open source communications channels. And I'd like that data to be publicly examined by scientists, skeptics & believers. If the experiment can not be reproduced then the original claim would lose credibility and maybe even reach the point of being falsified.
If there were already such a mission(s) that I was not aware of then I do apologize. JW's greatest #1 is the science of the radiation. Radiation is actually the easiest & best way to flim flam the public who don't know anything about such things (this includes myself).
Remember that old Thomas Dolby tune - She Blinded Me With Science? Enjoy! www.youtube.com...
JW's greatest #1 is the science of the radiation. The radiation is the weakest link in the official story, imo.
Originally posted by Tomblvd
Could you please give us the most complelling radiation argument, in your opinion?
Originally posted by Tomblvd
Originally posted by Tomblvd
Could you please give us the most complelling radiation argument, in your opinion?
Sayonara, to save time, and against my better judgment, perhaps you can just point to the JW video that gives this compelling information on radiation...
We'll do our best to explain where he goes astray.
Guys, be nice.
Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
Tomblvd, it would be tough to single out JW's best video on radiation argument. Let us suffice to say that it his main argument. Besides, JW has already stated his conclusions and this thread is pretty good evidence to me that his conclusions are not accepted by your side of the debate which says NASA sent men to the moon.
Second, if I linked to a specific JW video I could be criticized for Argumentum YouTubum (or whatever it translates to Latin) I wouldn't want to argue JW's argument for him nor would I wish to defend JW's from you guys.
The OV1 series of experiments were going from OV1-1 (21-Jan-1965) through to OV1-21 (7-Aug-1971). There are many notable mission failures in the series. What do you think?edit on 12/7/2010 by SayonaraJupiter because: add 3rd source
I wouldn't mind working from a different thread because this radiation topic might be a substantially off-topic for this thread.
The OV1 series of experiments were going from OV1-1 (21-Jan-1965) through to OV1-21 (7-Aug-1971). There are many notable mission failures in the series. What do you think?
Originally posted by theability
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter
I wouldn't mind working from a different thread because this radiation topic might be a substantially off-topic for this thread.
You obviously haven't read the ENTIRE thread, because if you had you wouldn't suggest radiation discussion warrants another thread, the topic has been address over and over here, so why open another thread?
Next, since you seem to have skipped the thread, I suggest you read the whole thing, so that you understand the fine line that has been walked here by Foosm and others regarding JW ignorant attempts to hack apart Apollo missions, he has failed miserably and to know what has been discussed and what hasn't would benefit you greatly.
The OV1 series of experiments were going from OV1-1 (21-Jan-1965) through to OV1-21 (7-Aug-1971). There are many notable mission failures in the series. What do you think?
You ask Tom what he thinks, yet you haven't asked a question. So what is the point of all this, when you haven't defined what it is you need explained, or what exactly you trying to accomplish?
First you will come back to say, Apollo astronauts were only in outer space for a few days and radiation was not a serious, life threatening issue.
Originally posted by theability
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter
First you will come back to say, Apollo astronauts were only in outer space for a few days and radiation was not a serious, life threatening issue.
That about sums up the radiation argument in one sentence!!!
And you found the answer in your own post, excellent.
The only issue was solar flares and there was ample time to abort the mission no matter what phase it was to escape the effects and be on the way home once the flare was in proximity of the spacecraft. They'd have about three days till the flare reached them.
As for the rest of your post, I suggest you read up on formatting your posts so that one can tell quotes from sources, your input and the rest of your thoughts. As I really can't differentiate what is what.
BTW JW radiation argument isn't valid, it has been torn to shreds in this thread, over and over and over and over and over and over and over........
Rinse and repeat for everything he has presented.
Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter
Irrelevant. That's like asking for all the sailors who circumnavigated the globe before Magellan.
Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
Magellan is the wrong answer. The Magellan spacecraft was a space probe sent to the planet Venus.
DJW001, could you please point out to me any successful science missions (US or USSR) doing human tissue or live animal testing which exceeded beyond LEO and beyond the VAB's prior to A8, launch date December 21, 1968? Same question for weed and Tomblvd. It is a yes or no question.
If, yes, please cite your sources.
Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
So the OV1 (all in LEO) series with full of fail,
theability, could you please point out to me any successful science missions (US or USSR) doing human tissue or live animal testing which exceeded beyond LEO and beyond the VAB's prior to A8, launch date December 21, 1968? Same question for weed and Tomblvd. It is a yes or no question.
If, yes, please cite your sources.