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Originally posted by Josephus23
The one thing that I do know is that the blood "purity" of their offspring is of primary importance to TPTB, and it all seems to all revolve around the fact that they want to preserve the rh- blood factor because it is a recessive trait.
(it is a trait that is only found in Rhesus Monkeys and most humans as well, which throws a wench into the alien interdiction into evolution debate)
Having the factor also causes several physical effects on the person, .
Having the factor also causes several physical effects on the person, . Does it ever cause you to crave bananas? Are your feet joints different from others? Like, can you curl your toes around and all?
Originally posted by squirelnutz
reply to post by Josephus23
Don't mean to be one of those guys, buddy, but does anyone have proof that the elite favor one blood over another? Or, that they even take interest in blood?
Originally posted by Extant Taxon
My intent was to point out a major factor that has been missing from your theory, one that doesn't require the fiction of Caesar surviving the assassination attempt, for a direct line of transmission from Rome to Freemasonry. That theory in itself is speculative, but there are some distinct parallels between those organisations that may make such flights of fancy worthwhile.
There are three or four theories which hold that one may trace a certain tenuous continuity between the Roman collegia and modern Freemasonry.
One of these is the Dionysiac Artificers theory. This hypothesis was given the shape with which we are now familiar by Hyppolito Joseph Da Costa in his Sketch for the History of the Dionysian Artificers (published complete in instalment form in The Montana Mason beginning with November, 1921), and he was followed, and his arguments repeated, by The History of Freemasonry, drawn from authentic source of information; with an account of the Grand Lodge of Scotland, from its Institution in 1736 to the present time, compiled from the Records; and an Appendix of Original Papers, a famous old volume long attributed to Alexander Lawrie but now generally believed to have been written by Sir David Brewster. The essence of this theory is that these Artificers were employed - lodges of them, that is - in the building of King Solomon's Temple, and that they preserved the secrets of architecture until at last they transmitted them to such of the Roman collegia as practised that art.
At this juncture the equally well known Comacine theory comes in. According to this reading of the matter, as we may learn from Cathedral Builders, by "Leader Scott," and from Brother Ravenscroft's codicils to the same in his Comacines - Their Predecessors and Their Successors, a few of the Roman builders' collegia (collegia fabrorum) took refuge from the Barbarian invasions on or near Lake Como in Northern Italy and there kept alive a knowledge of building until such time as conditions had stabilized themselves and Europe had become ready for another civilization. When the barbarian peoples began to build their own cities and to lay out their highways these Comacini, so the theory has it, went here and there to teach the people the arts of building. They established schools, and acted as missionaries in general throughout the various countries of Europe, England included, all of which will be described in more adequate manner in a chapter to come.
The third of the theories that would connect the collegia with early Masonic guilds is that which Gould elaborates at some length in the first volume of his History, but without committing himself one way or the other. According to this theory, collegia entered Britain with the Roman army of conquest and were responsible for the cities, highways, dikes and churches, some remains of which are still in existence. When the Angles, Saxons and Danes made an end of the Roman civilization in the islands, the collegia continued to exist among them in a somewhat changed form, known as guilds. Among these guilds were those devoted to building and its allied arts, and out of these guilds there emerged in time those organizations of Masons who gave us Freemasonry. Some of the greatest historians in the world deny all this in toto - Freeman among them - while others accept it. A layman must make up his mind to suit himself.
Still another theory is that which connects the medieval guilds of Europe with the collegia that lingered late in and about Constantinople, or, as it was called, Byzantium. It is supposed that as these organizations of Byzantine builders came more and more into demand they moved gradually across Italy and on up into central Europe where they served as the seed out of which came the Teutonic guilds. According to the theory, it was from these Teutonic guilds that the Masonic guilds of England came, and it was out of the English guilds that Freemasonry emerged.
Originally posted by Extant Taxon
As I said previously, I can't see any way for ProtoplasmicTraveller's original theory to progress based on the fantastical notion that Caesar survived and founded masonry, and other secret societies.
Originally posted by Extant Taxon
I'd propose that, originally, the religion promoted by Freemasonry was a more heterodox form of Christianity, usually those not wishing to conform to the "Universal" Church's edicts were various sorts of the hermetically and mystically inclined, who gathered under the Protestant banner. It seemed to be more forgiving in this respect than Catholicism. This was especially so in the British Isles, and the battle between nascent Freemasonry and the Catholic Church was very much of a purely religious nature.
Freethinkers vs. rigid dogmatism, to make too broad a generalisation for the sake of this conversation.
While the modern institution may only stipulate belief in a generic "supreme being" it was at one time very much a Christian orientated order, if at times the Christians therein possessed unorthodox beliefs, such as deism.
Originally posted by Extant Taxon
reply to post by IAMIAM
Yes, there are many theories regarding the philosophical roots of Freemasonry, with others, such as you have, pointing to the Mysteries of old. It's a fascinating thought.
Regarding the animosity between the Catholic Church and Freemasonry I've read a few reports that the origins of this grudge were earlier than 1717 (the so-called "official beginnings of the speculative craft), and lay with the Scottish operative masons who resented the imposition of Catholicism. The basis of this in the operative tradition then transferred to the speculative, where there was crossover early on in Scottish lodges that possessed both operative and non-operative masons, the latter who laid the foundations for the genesis of the speculative.
David Stevenson's The Origins of Freemasonry: Scotland's Century 1590 - 1710 goes into this I think.
Thanks for your reply.
Originally posted by Extant Taxon
reply to post by IAMIAM
My intent was to point out a major factor that has been missing from your theory, one that doesn't require the fiction of Caesar surviving the assassination attempt
Originally posted by Josephus23
All of the money's in the world can be traced to London, but more specifically the Rothschilds, whose many banks hold the Vatican treasure, which is used as the liquidity that allows them to work their fractional reserve banking system that enslaves us all by using debt as a weapon.
Originally posted by mick1423
Everything Proto said about Julius Caesar surviving the assassination attempt, 322 and recovery in Seborga is true, he told me that he will soon, reveal very important secrets about it...