All Roads Lead to Rome

Originally posted by orangetom1999
By their Talmudic tendency's.or patterns of operation. One standard for insiders or initiates and another for outsiders. Very much like the Hebrews or Jews of today. Once again ..not every Hebrew or Mason operates under this template. But the mechanism is there for them if necessary. Another example of this is dual system is in Mormonism. A standard for the Saints and another for non Saints. Mormonism is clandestine Masonry.
Once again..the mechanism is there in place and not known by the bulk of peoples not well versed in this history.

I became a Mason when I was a practicing Palero, a priest of the Afro Carribean faith based out of Cuba called Palomayombe. The rituals in Freemasonry are so generic in nature that even I saw similarities with my faith. Mormonism is NOT clandestine Masonry. It is a faith founded by a man who happened to be a Freemason. I know many Mormons and many Masons and a few mormons who happen to be Masons.

Originally posted by orangetom1999
I have myself seen this in operation in the public courts with a lawyer giving the cut throat sign in front of the Judge. The Judge certainly caught it but most of the public in court did not. Those who did ..did not tell. This is a dual system of operation within our courts. The Republican form of government cannot survive such an separate operation within it. It must eventually fall.

So what we have is your sole testimony based on a sign you saw that you do not even know by experience is in fact a sign? Am I understanding this correctly?

Originally posted by orangetom1999
Years ago the Irish carried out a mortar attack on of all places ..the Crown..in OLde London. As I recall the attack was launched from a van with a removable or sliding roof. When the news media got there they came to a heavily fenced wrought Iron area of the Crown. At the top of the fence was the Compass and Square. This played briefly across the news media before it was quickly removed....within a few hours.

Your description of the events leaves much to the imagination here. Is there any trace of the media report still around?

Originally posted by orangetom1999
In Catholicism like Mormonism and even Masonry there is an ability to treat those outside the fold differently from those inside the fold..the initiates. Dual standards. This is a concept hardly taught in public schools in the urge to get most to think we are all alike...all the same. Secular..yet ignorant of this pattern and its existence.

Yes, we treat those within differently than those without. So does a bowling team. So does a football team. So does the Boy Scouts, The United Auto Workers, and every other organisation. Memebership creates a fimiliarity and expectation to support the organisation which one is a member of. In the case of Freemasonry, I trust Masons more than I trust non Masons. Why? Because I know they are held to a higher standard of conduct than the general population.

Originally posted by orangetom1999
Correct on this. As I recall Albert Pike was a prolific writer. At one time I had a copy of his Rig Veda on very nice expensive paper and binding. Unfortunately I loaned it to someone and never got it back as has been the case with several copies of Morals and Dogma.

I am sorry to hear of your loss. If you had loaned it to a Mason, you would have gotten it back!

But seriously, I am sorry for your loss. I do not agree with all of Pike's work, but I do appreciate the vast wealth of knowledge contained there. Coincidently, Pike came under fire for interpretations of Masonic ritual by several Masonic scholars during his day. Most notably of these was Bro. Albert G. Mackey.

Originally posted by orangetom1999
The religion of a dual system in operation. A dual system not known by the bulk of peoples affected by it.

There is no system of religion within Freemasonry. Here you are just plain wrong. Freemasonry requires of it's members to have a belief in a Supreme Being, however it never questions the petitioner beyond that, nor does it seek to define it beyond that in any of its rituals or ceremonies. Religion is not even discussed in lodge, it is forbidden to do so. This is because the doors are open to men of all faiths. To prevent discord, the dogma of faith is not discussed that all may meet on the level.

Originally posted by orangetom1999
I do not travel to the east ..up seven steps..but I am familiar with some of the ritual and signs grips etc.

I used to think that this was something of importance..knowing this stuff..but it is not.

What is important is recognizing the two religions in operation..One after Ishmael and the other after Issac.... the pattern and towards what goal it attempts to move. The Ishmaelite religion comes in many types, flavors, tones, variations. The Issac religion comes in only one.

Again, see my above on religion.

Originally posted by orangetom1999
Hope this helps to clarify.

Thank you for your time and post.
Orangetom

It does help clarify my friend, but I think your information is in error. I won't dispute it any more than I have already. What I will do is offer myself as a point of reference on the craft. All that I know and am not obligated to hold secret I will share with you if you like. To be clear, I am only not permitted to reveal our ritual work. The reason for this is it spoils the experience for those who may one day take the degrees.

Besides the ritual work, there is a wealth of information that I can share. There are lectures which explain the symbols of the craft, there are the laws (like the Constitution I already provided above), and most important, there are experiences as a Mason. If you are interested with a sincere desire to learn, I will gladly share all of this. If however, you have already made up your mind that you know what the craft is all about, let me know and I will not waste my time.

Thank you for taking the time to reply. For the record, I do believe there is a conspiracy to dominate the world. I do see it as being based out of Rome. I do believe the people of this world have become ensnared in a tyrannical empire. What I do not believe is jumping to conclusions and throwing the blame on institutions which exist outside it is any way to bring it down. The truth is, the top will never be uncovered. It exists by the will of the people. The only way to bring it down is by raising the will of the people to do so.

With Love,

Your Brother

No wonder why IAMIAM found this thread interesting..., we are all brothers..!

After all... The Great Architect of the Universe is in reality, not a God or a universal name for God, like most are misled to believe but an organisation...! the secret society of the Ancient Roman Empire...and the Greatest Architect of all time is.... Julius Caesar..!

All Roads Lead to Rome...!

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IAMIAM-

I want to post this to you because you honestly seem like a really good chap.

Honestly...

I know that I have dogged on you before, and for that i am sorry, you really seem like a nice guy.
So, I am going to give you the honest skinny on why so many of us are wary and accusatory of Freemasonry.

First and foremost, the framework for a secret society allows for bifurcation, or a dual purpose.
An inner circle that is inside the inner circle. A secret society inside of the secret society.

I am sure you get the point.

In the book Goel, Escher, Bach the concept of a strange loop is discussed and that is EXACTLY what has happened with Freemasonry.
We supposedly live in a free and open society, but more importantly, we are supposed to have a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

But that has been usurped. And this is all the product of the Military/Industrial/Prison/Intelligence/Security complex.
All of which is a product of the CIA, which was a creation of the National Security Act, which was signed by Harry Truman.
Who happened to be a ummm.... 32nd, I believe, Scottish Rite Freemason.

This strange loop in the fabric of society and now government due to good ole Truman allows for the most evil of individuals to engage in the their treasonous and inhumane deeds while under the cover of "intellectual decompression".
It is like a contradictory command, like buy/sell.

Open freedom society, but secrecy.
And you have secrets, whether you admit it or not.

Several regimes have banned Freemasonry.
Like Stalin, who himself was a 33rd degree Freemason.


It is my personal opinion that whatever secret teachings was imparted onto the Knights Templar were passed down to a few and the original fraternal houses were infiltrated, so to speak, by those who feel above the law.

The perfect cover is to associate and have the idea of SECRECY associated with someone as upstanding as yourself.

This is all I have for now.

Cheers mate