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Originally posted by Annee
Both are fully responsible for the ACT of creating a living physical being. Therefore - both are equally responsible for the financial aspect of that physical beings needs.
The relationship between the man and woman - will determine if both have a say so in keeping or aborting. There have been cases where the parents agreed to full term and the father took full custody and responsibility.
The high percentage of men who abandon women who become pregnant is ridiculous. As a woman - I really have no sympathy for man complaining about abortion. NONE ZERO.
Originally posted by Jovi1
Originally posted by Annee
Both are fully responsible for the ACT of creating a living physical being. Therefore - both are equally responsible for the financial aspect of that physical beings needs.
Unfortunately your right but if your going to penalize a man financially because the woman decides to keep said child then he should have the right to demand that said child be carried to term and given custody of if he so chose.
The relationship between the man and woman - will determine if both have a say so in keeping or aborting. There have been cases where the parents agreed to full term and the father took full custody and responsibility.
However this is not the norm.
The high percentage of men who abandon women who become pregnant is ridiculous. As a woman - I really have no sympathy for man complaining about abortion. NONE ZERO.
Unfortunately this is all too often the case and is a large part of the problem in our society.
And I have no sympathy for woman who uses poor judgment and gets pregnant, really in this day and age if your too stupid to use birth control your to stupid to be having sex to begin with. I am all prochoice as long as your making that choice before you decide to be a whore and spread your legs.
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
what i hate about all of this is that the guy doesn't get any say, because the woman will say "its my body, i can do whatever i want with it" but if the guy has money, after the baby is born, hes gonna foot some of the bill, so how is that fair? the guy being forced to pay for a child when he didn't have a say in keeping him/her or not. sure, its in the girls body, but it isn't her body, and it takes two.
Both are fully responsible for the ACT of creating a living physical being. Therefore - both are equally responsible for the financial aspect of that physical beings needs.
The relationship between the man and woman - will determine if both have a say so in keeping or aborting. There have been cases where the parents agreed to full term and the father took full custody and responsibility.
The high percentage of men who abandon women who become pregnant is ridiculous. As a woman - I really have no sympathy for man complaining about abortion. NONE ZERO.
Originally posted by Annee
My first pregnancy ended in a fourth month miscarriage. I had 2 pregnancies (2 daughters) following that. Then I had an abortion.
My opinion is not just lip service.
It is no one's business but the person making the decision - PERIOD!
Originally posted by kozmo
Originally posted by Annee
My first pregnancy ended in a fourth month miscarriage. I had 2 pregnancies (2 daughters) following that. Then I had an abortion.
My opinion is not just lip service.
It is no one's business but the person making the decision - PERIOD!
I beg to differ... It is the business of the child you've just murdered - it's a shame they didn't get to voice their opinion on the matter... Oh yeah, and it's God's business as well. But don't worry, you'll have the opportunity to explain it to Him later.
Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
there are absolutes in life, which means that no matter your take on the issue, there is a right and wrong. you didn't tell me if its ok for me to key your car, or a man to rape women because he "believes" its ok. most murderers have no qualms against killing, so going by your world view, we aren't allowed to tell them they can't murder, and we aren't allowed to punish them. or rapists.
Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
reply to post by Annee
ugh. here you go again with the "well thats what you believe, not what i believe" stuff. i've already pointed out how that isn't a valid or logical system of thought. just because you believe the sky is green doesn't make it true.
Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
yes, demand. you said yourself "it takes two", why then do you deny the man's right to his child?
Originally posted by Annee
That is your personal belief.
Your God?
Originally posted by kozmo
Originally posted by Annee
That is your personal belief.
Your God?
Um, not really... That would be the belief of CHRISTIANITY - also known as about 2.1 BILLION people! By the way, that's about 1/3 of the world's total population.
But I wouldn't expect someone who so eagerly defends the murder of unborn babies to understand that. Again, no need to worry... God will explain it all to you in due time. If I were you, I'd be preparing my speech.
Originally posted by walsbg22
reply to post by Annee
Jeez, just wanted to know. when does it go from destroying cells to murder, I don't really know but late-term is killing to me but just asking a more pro-choice person their opinion.
Originally posted by kozmo
reply to post by Annee
Rationalize it anyway you'd like. Trick yourself, fool yourself, use circular logic, bank on fallacious arguments... whatever. Doesn't matter to me in the least. I'm not the one who has to pay for YOUR sins. I'm also not the one who you will stand before to receive your final judgement.
Soooooooo... good luck rationalizing the whole baby killing thing, I guess.
The Nebraska law grew out of a battle over abortion waged in a far different forum. After an abortion opponent killed Dr. George R. Tiller, a leading late-term abortion provider in Wichita, Kan., last year, Dr. LeRoy H. Carhart, who sometimes worked with Dr. Tiller, said he would carry on his legacy by performing some later-term abortions in his clinic in Bellevue, Neb.
Originally posted by kozmo
I beg to differ... It is the business of the child you've just murdered - it's a shame they didn't get to voice their opinion on the matter... Oh yeah, and it's God's business as well. But don't worry, you'll have the opportunity to explain it to Him later.
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
yes, demand. you said yourself "it takes two", why then do you deny the man's right to his child?
FIRST - - you wanted to deny monetary compensation for a viable human being following birth. Your thoughts obviously are not with the welfare of the child. Therefore - I would flat out deny you the child.
SECOND - - you blamed the woman.
With this sexist antiquated mindset - - YOU want ME to take you seriously on the rights of the sperm donor?
OH WOW SHOCKING - - I give rights to the woman. And OF COURSE - - I'm sure she must be one of those bitchy feminists.
As I said - - which you so casually label as "its not the norm" - - there have been relationships where the woman carried the child and the father took full responsibility after its birth.
Again - if men like you are truly 100% serious - then I want to see you legislate mandatory DNA paternity and mandatory child support for every single pregnancy/child.
Until then - - you have nothing but quick sand to stand on.