Wikileaks Video Released!!

This video just appeared at the front page of the website of one of Belgiums MSM quality newspapers: De Morgen
Hopefully it gets some attention in the US as well. Although I'm afraid it won't, since 'quality news' and 'MSM' seem to be a contradictio in terminis over there, and thus not to be mentioned in the same sentence.


[edit on 6/4/10 by Movhisattva]

Originally posted by Cabaret Voltaire
Exactly. This thread is about hating America.

Wrong.

This thread is about a violation of Article 3 of the Fourth Geneva convention, as I pointed out here

No amount of obfuscation or blind patriotic chest thumping can cover that up.

The Apaches engaged a group of civilians that apparently posed no threat to them, then engaged a wounded person, and the people trying to help that person.

That is cut and dried. Its not about "hating America" - its about a war crime on video.






[edit on 6/4/10 by neformore]

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Oh nice, I'm sorry I missed that before. Shooting an injured man and people coming to his aide is so morally reprehensible it shouldn't matter if they are combatants or not. I can see confusing the camera with an RPG or weapon, but a crawling wounded man I cannot. That part, was horrifying.

I watched this video last night, and I can not even begin to describe what I felt when I saw that.

After reading 50 odd pages I don't know who but someone said in a post. They had a right to fire at the van cause they could have been carrying weapons.

Ok if I was driving down the road and saw people being killed right in front of me, and then saw a man crawling away wounded, wanna know what I would do? The same thing they did save him.

If you try and justify this soldiers actions then your deluded.

Not all soldiers are bad though, But what these guys did was unjustified and the personal glee they got from it was sick.

America.

From now on i cannot support anything you do from this moment onwards.

Do NOT try and justify your murdering ways with me any more.

This video is evidence of murder. Nothing more, nothing less.


Scum.

[edit on 6-4-2010 by mr-lizard]

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i will classify 2 kinds of people posting in this thread.

Blind patriots: Support the war (and the murder in the video) the way the mainstream sells it.

and

Patriots: those who question the crime/cover-up (both the war and the cover up!) without bias.

Neformore, thanks for the Geneva convention article. It was clearly a violation.

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There are still good Americans out there who know whats going on, and are trying their best to stop this genocide in the middle east.

Originally posted by MajinRoshi
What do you call this? It isn't a camera! Its CLEARLY an RPG!

Maybe you should visit an eye-doctor...
It's not an RPG, it's a camera Tripod! (which journalists tend to use...)
Whoops there goes your justification of a brutal slaughter...

Seriously anyone trying to justify this video is as bad as the Apache pilots in teh video... you are a disgrace.

Did you hear the pilots?
"Haha they just drove over a dead body hahahah" disgusting!
"that's what you get for bringing your children to a warzone" yeah i'm sure they "choose" to put their children there...sigh

This video needs to be spread everywhere, and people who try to justify it, should be called out.

You know what's most shocking about this :
The Pilots were given a pardon by the us military, stating they did nothing wrong.

The fact that the US wanted to cover this up, should be proof of the authenticity of the video.

i just watched the 18mins,

i still support our troops but if the dialog is accurate, i expect a full investigation and charges if needed.


this is not a shining moment.

Originally posted by ugie1028
reply to post by mr-lizard

 

There are still good Americans out there who know whats going on, and are trying their best to stop this genocide in the middle east.

Of course - i was referring to the policies in the middle east and the American military.

Contact the UK media:

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David Edwards, Editor
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David Cromwell, Editor
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Olly Maw, Webmaster
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Helen Boaden, Director of BBC news
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Peter Horrocks, Head of BBC TV News
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Richard Sambrook, Director of the World Service and Global News
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Malcolm Balen, Senior Editorial Adviser (Middle East)
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Craig Oliver, Editor, Ten O'Clock News, BBC1
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Mark Popescu, Editor, BBC News 24
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Ceri Thomas, Editor, Today Programme, Radio 4
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More gun toting American patriots. It is sickening that all of this is done under our names and under the guise of freedom. No wonder nobody has any respect for the West and its causes. God bless America, may God help the rest of us...

It is unfortunate that this had to happen but guess what people, this is war and it is ugly. There was no way the pilot-gunner and forward air controller could have identified every single detail and catch the fact that there were children or innocent civilians mixed in with these other individuals. The comment the pilot/gunner make at the end about 'they shouldn't have brought children to the battle' was a quick response to help them cope with the immediate realization of the situtation. When they get back to base their adrenaline will have subsided and the reality of situtation will have set in. No soldier wants to kill a child, but make no mistake war is a travesty and this will continue as long as the means of war are available. I hold no one at fault.

Man that's just wrong...

What really gets me is what the American military has become.

There will always be trigger happy guys in any military but to turn war into a video game is just wrong.

The guys in these state of the art helicopters really have nothing to fear. It's no different that playing a video game.

This is what Rumsfeld was pushing for, He took over the pentagon during the first bush administration and changed the military combat style from grunt troops to what you see in the video.

Sure it's a lot safer for American troops but it strips war of it's danger and turns it into some thing Kids could do from their X-Box console.

Seriously the Guys in the Video are a piggy hair from using words like "You just got Pwned you Naabing Froobs Noobs, oooo head shot nice!!".

Fighting like this just does not make any sense, I can't even call this war, it's more like Leet players with real bullets. That's whats so wrong about it.

I bet you the Iraqi people sure miss Saddam.

War is tragic......

This mistake is tragic.....

God knows it will have destroyed the lives of those who made this mistake.....

.....as it did those whose lives were destroyed by this mistake.

What a sick, awful mess.

Well for 90% of the people posting on this thread, you will never have to be put in this situation because I am sure you would ride a unicorn into battle shotting gum drops and hersheys kisses at everyone. How can you know war when to you it is just a word and a quick emotion. Hind sight is 20/20 and that is the world 'peaceful minded people' see.

U.S. pilot seen firing on people in Iraq looks like msnbc has picked up the story
www.msnbc.msn.com...

i thought that generally speaking in the rules of war, it was accepted practice to let the other side at least gather their wounded?

isnt or shouldnt that be in the geneva convention?

also i do not see how gathering a wounded person is a threatening act?

also shooting a clearly wounded person seems a very cowardly thing to do.

Originally posted by Blood Eagle
Well for 90% of the people posting on this thread, you will never have to be put in this situation because I am sure you would ride a unicorn into battle shotting gum drops and hersheys kisses at everyone. How can you know war when to you it is just a word and a quick emotion. Hind sight is 20/20 and that is the world 'peaceful minded people' see.

Maybe we actively choose NOT to consider our career choice as a gun-toting murderer?

Just a thought?

Well at least the biggest newspaper in the country here has picked up this story.

Sky news: 'Let Us Shoot': US Troops Fire On Journalists

And people can actually see this instead of it being brushed under the carpet for once.

[edit on 6-4-2010 by Rising Against]