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Originally posted by trueperspective
God created the universe in order to have companionship with autonomious self thinking free entities. (you) Freedom gives you the right to live contrary to your creator. (God) However, there are consequences to living contrary to your Creator. (the fall) Life as you know it is corrupt and depraved along with you and me. We are still free and autonomious but with a natural bend towards disobidence to the Creator. Christ came to take the punishment, restoring in you the purpose for which you were created. Now by the Holy Spirit you are still free and autonomious, but are now bent towards living in agreement with the Creator. This is only temporary. One day after all autonomious beings have had there chance to chose. God will punish the disobident and reward the faithful. (Heaven and Hell) The Creator only desires fellowship with those that freely chose Him. This is why Hell is eternal. Seek to be saved from wrong choices and be forever in fellowship with the one that created you.
Originally posted by trueperspective
reply to post by impaired
You have just proven that what I say is true. You have excercised your free will in rebellion to God. You have exchanged the truth for a lie. If you seek the truth earnestly you will find it. I just prayed for you.
Originally posted by MurderCityDevil
reply to post by DocEmrick
ah but you are OF your mother and father and yet you are not your father or your mother
see the logic in that, being of something doesnt make you it, per se
its hard for me to put it in words at the moment, hmm ill think it out and try again later
im at work, ha
Originally posted by trueperspective
reply to post by impaired
You have just proven that what I say is true. You have excercised your free will in rebellion to God. You have exchanged the truth for a lie. If you seek the truth earnestly you will find it. I just prayed for you.
OK so far, except that no one can actually live contrary to the Creator, only contrary to their own best interests. The Creator is served whether good or ill transpire. Our "freedom" boils down to a choice of whether or not to accept the truth that God is in benevolent control. I.e. there IS no pointless suffering in the world. The great delusion common to mankind is just this: "I am in charge of my life." The second delusion serves to cement the power of the first: "God allows pointless suffering."
Originally by trueperspective
God created the universe in order to have companionship with autonomious self thinking free entities. (you) Freedom gives you the right to live contrary to your creator. (God) However, there are consequences to living contrary to your Creator. (the fall)
Sorry, pal, there you went off the rez. That's a purely human teaching created for the purpose of coercive control of the masses.
Life as you know it is corrupt and depraved along with you and me.
how convenient, blame nature instead of the real culprit: Ego! Ego is the Great Satan that we all face, not some 'fallen angel' that most Christians (secretly) believe to be more powerful than God.
We are still free and autonomious but with a natural bend towards disobidence to the Creator.
Another dodge by the religious right. "someone else can pay". No, you have to pay all your own debts. No one else can. It's only the cowardice of the Ego that causes us to want to dodge out on that one. Be a big boy and take your spanking! The good news is that when you forgive others, you are automatically forgiven. But God knows when you have forgiven... Forgiveness means to accept God's good and ordained purpose for the suffering others have caused you. It's a big step in the direction of trusting God!
Christ came to take the punishment, restoring in you the purpose for which you were created.
Yes, I am, but it's a real stretch to assume everyone who reads this is!
Now by the Holy Spirit you are still free and autonomious, but are now bent towards living in agreement with the Creator.
another bone the ego throws you. remain in the approval-addict loop long enough and you will be set free... except, that's not what Jesus said, is it? He said that the Truth would set you free. Accept the truth: the voice in your head that tells you it is you and gets you to do all that crappy stuff, isn't really YOU. The one true Self, the Holy Spirit, is your essence. You have thus far chosen to listen to the False Self, the Ego, the control freak that lives in each of our heads. (see clips on youtube of the film "Revolver" dealing with the ego)
This is only temporary. One day after all autonomious beings have had there chance to chose. God will punish the disobident and reward the faithful. (Heaven and Hell)
I would say the same to you, friend, except Hell only lasts as long as you insist on living in it. (hell is being Ego's slave) But until you muster up some courage to trust the creator unconditionally, you're in the poop. There IS unlimited power available to those who wish for real fellowship with the omnipotent Creator. But you have to give something up: the ability to create a victim. see www.roage.com...
The Creator only desires fellowship with those that freely chose Him. This is why Hell is eternal. Seek to be saved from wrong choices and be forever in fellowship with the one that created you.
@Impaired
Originally posted by impaired
Originally posted by trueperspective
God created the universe in order to have companionship with autonomious self thinking free entities. [...] Seek to be saved from wrong choices and be forever in fellowship with the one that created you.
That's all according to the bible. And that's also according to your god.
What about other religions then?
MY belief is this (and I'm actually para-phrasing this from another ATS member):
God is the Universe. We are all part of the Universe, thus we are all God.
I don't believe for one second that the supreme creator is Jehova from the bible. If that's all really true, then damn... Haha. We have a little child running the Universe.
No thanks.