Giant planetary body named G1.9

Greetings. I'm not aware that anything has been posted about this topic so pardon me if I have reposted this info.

The underlying question about G1.9 is, is this the so called planet or brown dwarf that is talked about relating to the supposed disasterous 2012?

Russia Prepares For Asteroid Strike As New Comet Nears Sun

Though not known to the American people about G1.9 is that since its discovery NASA has continued to maintain that it is the remnant of a supernova explosion that occurred about 140 years ago, an explanation deemed “absurd” by Russian scientists who point out, correctly, that for a supernova to have exploded in our own Solar System in the mid 1800’s it would have been not only visible to the entire Earth, it would have been extensively documented too.

Supporting these Russian scientists who state that G1.9 was never a supernova but either a new planet to our Solar System or a brown dwarf sun are their Spanish astrophysicist counterparts whose findings we can read:

“G1.9 was first identified as a “supernova remnant” in 1984 by Dave Green of the University of Cambridge and later studied in greater detail with NRAO’s Very Large Array radio telescope in 1985. Because it was unusually small for a supernova it was thought to be young — less than about 1000 years old.

But in 2007, X-ray observations made with NASA’s Chandra X-ray Observatory revealed that the object was much larger than the last time it was observed! It had grown in size by 16%. Puzzled by this observation, the Very Large Array repeated its observations of 23 years ago and verified that it had increased in size considerably. Knowing that supernova do not expand this quickly, unless they have just exploded, they explained that G1.9 must be a “very young” supernova — perhaps not more than 150 years old. But no record of a visible supernova has been found corresponding to that historical period (about the time of the American Civil War).

Spanish astronomers have tracked this object with great interest because they were anticipating its appearance. Gravitational anomalies have been appearing in the Oort Cloud for some time, suggesting the perturbations were caused by a nearby object with considerable mass. The announcement that G1.9 had increased in size was no mystery to them. It is exactly what they would expect as the object moved closer to Earth.”

To the potential catastrophic danger posed to our Earth by G1.9 was evidenced in July, 2009, when the Planet Jupiter was hit by a large comet that entered its planetary zone unexpectedly, despite the efforts of astronomers to track these dangerous objects. Russian and Spanish astronomers contend that the comet that struck Jupiter was perturbed by the trajectory of G1.9, which until now, was not recognized and accounted for.

Though the Americans contend, also, that G1.9 has reached its closest approach to Earth in its orbit, Russian scientists couldn’t disagree more and point to the fact that NASA has so ‘continually failed’ in their explanations for this giant, and growing, “as yet unknown” space object as to have lost all credibility in any discussion of it.

And so alarmed have these Russian scientists become that this past week that Anatoly Perminov, head of Russia’s space agency, told Voice of Russia radio that they were ‘gearing up’ to protect our Earth from these ‘space missiles’, including the Apophis asteroid many believe could strike our Planet in the 2030’s.

In the reporting of these events it is also important to note that the ancient peoples of our Earth spoke many times about a G1.9 type object in our solar system (Marduk, Nibiru, Planet X) and warned that when it approached our inner Solar System chaos and catastrophe always ensued.

Interesting document.

Ok, so if G1.9 is real, I have a major problem.

How am I, a rational human being, to reject the Nibiru-2012 stuff now?

If there was no large "unknown" object this close to us, than of course the Nibiru stuff would not add up at all.

In fact, I have been super skeptical of the Nibiru claims for as long as I have heard them, I simply did not believe it at all.

But IF this G1.9 Exists. I guess I believe in Nibiru now.

That SUCKS!

[edit on 14-1-2010 by muzzleflash]

Well, there is so much discussion and myth and science and math that predict a "sister" to our sun and/or another heavenly body that passes through our solar system, that it has to be based in some fact!

The idea that a SuperNova could have occured in the last 150 years is scary, but I remember some Native American folklore about several days that passed without a night. That could have been a SuperNova.

Can any of our resident astronomers and astro physicists describe the orbit of G1.9? Is it 3600 years by any chance?

Anyone even remotely interested in this subject matter needs to read 'Worlds in Collision' by Imanuel Velikovsky. Tlk about way ahead of his time.

If a supernova went off anywhere remotely near our Solar System it would have obliterated every object.

Supernova explosions are typically larger than entire solar systems. Thus all planets get totally eradicated.

Therefore, there is no way in hell a supernova went off 150years ago remotely close to us.

It had to be at least 5-10 light years away. That is a safe distance to watch from.

So the explanation fails miserably.

heres a link to g19. I am beginning to get tired of people seeing things when theres nothing to see.

www.nasa.gov...

[edit on 14-1-2010 by loner007]

Isn't the "G1.9" discovered by Chandra 25,000 light years away? If so, then how could it be Nibiru?

Supposedly the light from the G1.9 supernova reached Earth 140 years ago (after traveling 25,000 light years), but because G1.9 is obscured by a dust cloud, the visible light cannot be seen. Chandra observed its light from the X-ray part of the spectrum.

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[edit on 1/14/2010 by Box of Rain]

[edit on 1/14/2010 by Box of Rain]

Originally posted by muzzleflash
If a supernova went off anywhere remotely near our Solar System it would have obliterated every object.

Supernova explosions are typically larger than entire solar systems. Thus all planets get totally eradicated.

Therefore, there is no way in hell a supernova went off 150years ago remotely close to us.

It had to be at least 5-10 light years away. That is a safe distance to watch from.

So the explanation fails miserably.

Exactly! There are no 'super red giant' stellar objects remotely close to us to reference a "supernovea event" of that magnitude, with the closest body being 4.5 light years from us, and it being as young and healthy as our star.

There is however an immense amount of currently unseen proto stars, known as brown dwarfs, which formed without enough mass to ignite into a star but at the same time containing enough mass to smolder - as you will - at a semi star forming mass. This fact has recently been announced publicly, and has been a documented fact of debate amongst scientists for decades.

That was the drive behind NASA's latest orbital telescope venture that just made it's debut - to intensely study the infra red spectrum to locate and identify these objects. Scientists even gave a ratio of roughly 10 to 1 relating to the object density these dark stars possess over seen stars (10 brown dwarf stars to one star).

Last but not least, recent scientific announcements relating to several cataclysmic events our solar system has experienced support an idea of our solar system having at least one Brown Dwarf in orbit as a binary companion to our star that causes these cataclysmic events.

(as a special note, one has to sometimes read what's NOT being said in such articles. NASA may remain silent on G1.9, may even throw disinformation out there to discredit it. but what's not being said in the following scientific facts proves that there must be a G1.9 type object in existance)

They are:

1. The announcement that Earth's moon was created by a collision of another massive planetary object into Earth. For any object with enough gravitational mass to be ripped out of it's orbit and thrown into the Earth's path causing such a collision, an object of considerable mass and gravitational influence would have had to have caused this.

2. The facts as they have been revealed pertaining to how Mars 'died' (Mars actually being reported as formerly having an Earth-like environment) reveal that like Earth, a massive object slammed into the planet, forming it's 'moon' Phobos. However, unlike Earth (in that Mars is considerably smaller in comparison) Mars didn't survive the event in that it's atmosphere was ripped away as well as much of it's planetary surface charred from an all encompassing fiery halo that covered the planet's surface during the collision. Once again, such a massive object had to have had another, more massive object dislodge it from it's orbital position to cause it to slam into Mars.

3. There exists in orbit around our sun a disk of rocky objects known as the asteroid belt. Nothing has been announced as factual about the origins of this ring of debris, mainly because We haven't sent anything to study it yet. However there is a popular speculation that this ring of debris orbiting our sun is the remnants of a planetary collision so severe that it literally pulverized the planet(s) involved and the asteroids are what's left of it. Once again, if this is true, something of substantial gravitational influence must have caused this event.

4. Finally, the events - both historic as well as recent - of cometary and asteroidal impacts occurring both here on Earth (most recent one being Tungenuska)as well as those observed on Jupiter (one occurring last year) proves some form of disruptive outer solar system force dislodging objects from the Oort belt and sending them inner system.

I have read the stories from Sumeria, have researched the Aztech stories, etc. and have read the could be's and may be's on 2012 - if indeed 2012 is the calculated year the 'events' has been predicted as occurring, and aside from the fantastic claims of superior races or alien visitations I'm at a juxtaposition in belief that this sister object to our sun is very real, and has been documented as approaching our solar system once again.

recent activity such as the comet strikes on Jupiter, the unusual calmness of our Sun's activity, and the documented gradual warming of the entire Solar system's objects shows without any shadow of doubt that something is causing these things to occur, something with enough mass and gravitational influence.

IMHO, G1.9, or if not G1.9 some object representing a Brown Dwarf, is real.The Russians are so convinced about it that they intend on launching an assault against the N.E.O. Apophos in an effort to try to stave off the pending calamity that is approaching.

Are the Russians paranoid? Or are they practicing prudent wisdom?



[edit on 24-1-2010 by DarkspARCS]

I'm not a skeptip persay, but I would like to see maybe some evidence of this? I mean if it's as close as they say it is, then any average joe should be able to see it thru any amatuer telescope rite?. I'm not trying to say it's not possible what with all the talk of Niburu and such but eitherway,Proof any1?

Here is the combined VLA / Chandra image of the object:



To me this indeed DOES look like a supernovae remnant. Wonder why Russia and Spain have decided to consider this a Brown Dwarf? Although I'll admit that the object in question does have a very smooth, circular surface, an unusual aspect for an explosion.

Any comparable pic's of a supernova?
Another question is why has this alleged supernova objects close to it?
Some seven are visible.





[edit on 25-1-2010 by Ayrton]

Your link is to a Pakistani nut site.

The scientific buffoonery in the article you quote is unbounded--none of it makes any sense at all, it's just word salad.

There is no giant planetary body named G1.9. There is nothing to see here--just noise in the information pipes.

Couldn't you have done a little cross-checking before posting this tripe?

No star. No flag.

Originally posted by Astyanax
There is no giant planetary body named G1.9. There is nothing to see here--just noise in the information pipes.

www.nasa.gov...

Oh i need a second line... Well, i think it´s amazing how fast some people are with denying the possibilities...

[edit on 25-1-2010 by euleberlin]

Originally posted by euleberlin

Originally posted by Astyanax
There is no giant planetary body named G1.9. There is nothing to see here--just noise in the information pipes.

www.nasa.gov...

Oh i need a second line... Well, i think it´s amazing how fast some people are with denying the possibilities...

[edit on 25-1-2010 by euleberlin]

Astyanax is right -- There is no giant "planetary body" named G1.9.

As your link says, G1.9 is the remnants of a supernova. Plus, according to other information, it's 25,000 Lightyears away -- so there is no chance that it is a planet (Nibiru) or a brown dwarf threatening our solar system.
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The passage in the OP's link that states:

Though not known to the American people about G1.9 is that since its discovery NASA has continued to maintain that it is the remnant of a supernova explosion that occurred about 140 years ago, an explanation deemed “absurd” by Russian scientists who point out, correctly, that for a supernova to have exploded in our own Solar System in the mid 1800’s it would have been not only visible to the entire Earth, it would have been extensively documented too.

is itself "absurd" because NASA never said this supernova "exploded in our own solar system" -- it's 1/4 of the way across the galaxy.

I admit there are "possibilities" out there. However, people should do a little research on a subject before believing every internet story at face value. The article in the OP is poorly researched.



[edit on 1/25/2010 by Box of Rain]

I have always been inclined to believe the observations, and reports of people who had nothing to gain by reporting such events thousands of years ago, rather than the population controlling toads who observe and report such events in modern times.

Today more can be achieved through fear, and Humans fear nothing more than the unknown, plus you have the fact that the toads who are supposed to do their jobs with the interest of Mankind at heart, do nothing of the sort which has been shown time and time again.

I am however whole heartedly content with the fact, that if this event is indeed a recurring one which happens over a time period of Thousands of years, it is obvious that it is a totally survivable event, going by the fact that Mankind was able to report the event and we are here to read it.

Something is up and only a few know for sure what it is, I refuse to accept that nobody knows what it is, they plant the seed of doubt at the same time planting a seed of truth, and while we bicker and strive to prove each other as mistaken, they are left alone to continue their agenda of doing as they please, instead of their duty to the Human race.

Perhaps all set up to ensure their survival while they prepare, while the rest of us argue as to what we think we know and understand, what is lacking is definitive facts based on all the evidence, nobody seems to want to search through all the different information, but would rather keep the Russians as the enemy who for decades according to our illustrious leaders mean us harm and want us under their control, and NASA being the all American great industry who have always had the best interests of all at heart (yeah right)

Perhaps if we left the contempt and hatred at the door, and accepted the scientific evidence from all parties, we could actually break through the political crap, and get back to a World of reality.

There are no Communists or Capitalists out in deep Space as far as I know, so I doubt such an object or any beings living near or close to it, would really give a damn for our feelings towards one and other.

One thing can be taken as granted however, if this story of old is indeed truth, then nothing we think about strangers in another country, will or can stop the list of events that will become reality, if it is true, then it is coming, and while we fight and argue, any preparations needed to try and survive, are being neglected by the Citizens of our Planet.

Perhaps that is how the World is going to be depopulated, us in the open, while those who hide the truth, prepare and get ready, it would certainly go a long way to explain why the truth about Ancient Civilizations has been hidden from us for many hundreds of years, a secret or secrets long controlled by those who tell us they have our interests in mind.

Be Scientific and not political, maybe then you will be able to see through the mist that has covered our every attempt to find what is being hidden from us.

By Thomas O'Toole, Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 30, 1983 ; Page A1
Possibly as Large as Jupiter;
Mystery Heavenly Body Discovered
The correct figure is 50 billion miles. It also might be a Jupiter-like star that started out to become a star eons ago but never got hot enough like the sun to become a star. which is so cold it casts no light so close to the sun it would be part of the solar system....there was some speculation that it might be moving toward Earth Cal Tech's Neugebauer said. "I want to douse that idea with as much cold water as I can." ...."All I can tell you is that we don't know what it is," Dr. Gerry Neugebauer, IRAS chief scientist for California's Jet Propulsion Laboratory and director of the Palomar Observatory for the California Institute of Technology, said in an interview.

NASA BAFFLED BY UNEXPLAINED FORCE ACTING ON PROBES

The New York Times
Sunday, January 30, 1983
Clues Get Warm in the Search for Planet X
John Noble Wilford
Something out there beyond the farthest reaches of the known solar system seems to be tugging at Uranus and Neptune. Some gravitational force keeps perturbing the two giant planets, causing irregularities in their orbits. The force suggests a presence far away and unseen, a large object that may be the long-sought Planet X.
Evidence assembled in recent years has led several groups of astronomers to renew the search for the 10th planet. They are devoting more time to visual observations with the 200-inch telescope at Mount Palomar in California. They are tracking two Pioneer spacecraft, now approaching the orbit of distant Pluto, to see if variations in their trajectories provide clues to the source of the mysterious force. And they are hoping that a satellite-borne telescope launched last week will detect heat “signatures” from the planet, or whatever it is out there. The Infrared Astronomical Satellite was boosted into a 560-mile-high polar orbit Tuesday night from Vandenberg Air Force Base, CA. It represents an $80-million venture by the United States, Britain and the Netherlands. In the next six or seven months, the telescope is expected to conduct a wide-ranging survey of nearly all the sky, detecting sources not of ordinary light, but of infrared radiation, which is invisible to the human eye and largely absorbed by the atmosphere. Scientists thus hope that the new telescope will chart thousands or infrared-emitting objects that have gone undetected – stars, interstellar clouds, asteroids and, with any luck, the object that pulls at Uranus and Neptune.

John P. Bagby has now introduced a new piece to the puzzle of solar-system cyclic behavior. While searching for possible perturbations of the planets due to a tenth major planet or a dark massive solar companion (MSC), he discovered that the perihelia of the outer planets (orbital points closest to the sun) were being disturbed with an average period of 11.2 years. This is almost exactly the sunspot period of about 11 years ( or half the period of solar magnetic field reversals of about 22 years). He suggests two possibilities:
(1) Mutual resonance effects between the planets
(2) The effects of a massive solar companion.
A diagram appeared in the 1987 edition of the "New Science and Invention Encyclopedia", published by H.S. Stuttman, Westport, Connecticut, USA. The article was discussing the purpose of the Pioneer 10 & 11 space probes. Clearly shown is "Nemesis", a popular name for our sun's binary companion, a dead star. (Binary solar systems are apparently the rule in our galaxy, not the exception.) The solar system may not be a nice round shape, but rather a bit squashed and oblong, according to data from the Voyager 2 spacecraft exploring the solar system's outer limits, scientists said. Walter Cruttenden of the Binary Research Institute is that local gases are fairly uniform and the shape derives from the trajectory of the solar system through local space -- possibly in its orbit around a companion star. This binary companion would cause the sun's orbit to curve, and would explain the Precession of the Equinox by the way in which the Earth's rotation was affected by not one, but two stars. Yes, that’s right, if the data is correct our solar system is curving through space (carrying the earth and spacecraft with it of course) so rapidly that the only way to explain it is if our sun is gravitationally bound to another nearby star. Every Myth .. has a hidden truth behind it....It was recently reported by NewScientist that Gravity Probe B received an “F” from the U.S. Government and the project would receive no more funding. But after netting out the spacecraft and earth orbit motions the remaining signal was far larger than anyone expected. In fact, it is so large it either means there is some unforeseen problem with the gyros or that our sun is part of a binary star system. The Rich like Bill Gates .. seems to believe there is something to worry about when it comes to.. his building of the Dooms Day Seed Vault “ Norway's ark-Doomsday CNN- 2012 Planet X ?”
The biggest problem is life is full of surprises like the Web Bot Project computer oracle program predicts a major event in 2012. As you read this, several planets are experiencing global warming. Saturn, for instance, has changed 30 percent. If this had occurred on the Earth, all life as we know it would be gone.

Probably the most glaring inconsistency in the Planet X hypothesis is the Planet X advocates assertion that the 1984 IRAS object and the 1992 body are one of the same thing. As announced on many websites and online videos about Planet X, the 1984 IRAS observation saw Planet X at 50 billion miles from Earth. The 1992 NASA "announcement" put Planet X at a distance of about 7 billion miles from Earth. Therefore, the logic goes, Planet X had travelled 43 billion miles in the course of only eight years (from 1984 to 1992). After some dubious mathematics, Planet X is therefore expected to reach the core of the Solar System in 2012. (Although many believed it should arrive in 2003… they were obviously wrong about that prediction.)Well, I think we might be clutching at straws here. For starters, for the 1984 object to be the same as the 1992 object, surely they should be the same mass? If Planet X was a brown dwarf (as we are led to believe in the IRAS observations), how can it possibly weigh in at only 4 to 8 Earth masses eight years later? Brown dwarfs have a mass of around 15-80 Therefore, the story that Planet X will arrive in 2012 is, in my view, total bunkum (but it helps to sell doomsday books and DVDs by scaring people). Nibiru will remain in the realms of Sumerian myth. 2012: No Planet X on UnerverseToday.com .. but the fail to mention...NEATV1.. core of comet size of mars..gases admited around it eualed almost the size of Jupiter not only that no one was told until its passing of the sun.. in 2003.... nof figure...

GO... Go .... Debunkers...... such crap.. wouldn't know the truth if it hit them in the face... such crap ..... should be easy to spot like this guy... none the less you can smell it from here...

Signs of evidence inside ice sheets over 35 thousand to 72 thousand years old Zodiacal belt shows Evidence of remains of dust left behind from event These toxic radioactive particles would later cause havoc. Man, animals, and plants suffered with radiation sickness. Mutations occurred. Tests of archeological finds show that man then had one blood type: O, some 100,000 to 40,000 years hence. After the supernova influence, humans started showing up with blood types A and B; and O continue to express itself also. Blood types A or B did not exist thousands of years ago. According to some scientists, if we possess those blood types, we are "blood brothers/sisters" to a supernova in the not too distant past.

The very sparse, hot gas of the Local Bubble is the result of supernovae that exploded within the past two to four million years Thirty-four thousand years ago (34,000), the second part of a supernova explosion, the shock wave portion, hit the earth. The first shock wave comparatively did not disturb the Earth– It was rather unnoticed. Nothing happened, such that the inhabitants of the Earth would have become alarmed. Nothing heavy plummeted to the planet. They may have noticed a large array of ‘shooting' stars coming into the high, rarefied air. This cosmic castoff from the supernova with cosmic substances in the cosmos were pushed onto Earth. Evidence of remains of dust left behind from event was picked up 1992 by Eleusis space craft interstellar origin Micro meteorites coming from outside solar system They were caused by ions and small particles, all heavily laced with near to microscopic iron. Signs of evidence inside ice sheets over 35 thousand to 72 thousand years old Zodiacal belt shows Evidence of remains of dust left behind from event These toxic radioactive particles would later cause havoc. Man, animals, and plants suffered with radiation sickness. Mutations occurred. Tests of archeological finds show that man then had one blood type: O, some 100,000 to 40,000 years hence. After the supernova influence, humans started showing up with blood types A and B; and O continue to express itself also. Blood types A or B did not exist thousands of years ago. According to some scientists, if we possess those blood types, we are "blood brothers/sisters" to a supernova in the not too distant past.