The Clone Conspiracy: Stars and Celebrity Clones

Hi Folks,


You may already know me from the similar thread right here in the ATS Skunk Works forum.


The Clone Conspiracy: Royal and Presidential Clones


This thread is dedicated to highlighting the presence of cloned individuals among Stars and Celebrities throughout the world. If there are Stars who are clones of Political or Royal Leaders, I request that you post their identification in the other thread due to the link to Royal Bloodlines and possible political implications.


This thread is devoted to cloned Actors, Singers, Musicians, Artists, Writers, Philosophers, Journalists, Media Hosts and any other number of shakers and movers who shape public opinion and cultivate the collective consciousness.


An accessory purpose of this thread may be to also consider that some celebrities which have become venerated by the public may be used by other parties for a variety of motives, including that of operating forms of mass mind control as well as to channel human aspirations and fanatical idolatry through personality cult.


This thread is especially dedicated to CLONES and not to actors replacing Stars, however it should be noted that celebrities who might be replaced by actors may have been clones. The possibility that adulated Stars might be used as privileged psychic messengers for occult ceremonies involving human sacrifice will also be considered here, especially as it pertains to clones being replaced, or replacing others.


To kick of the posts, I shall start with an actor and a singer, both world renowned even if of an earlier generation. This is especially interesting as it points to the possibility of cloning being ongoing quite a few decades before any public awareness of this possibility.

Maria Callas


For those of you who know the Opera, Maria Callas is renowned as the leading Opera singer of the 20th Century with a soul turning voice which could raise the dead.


She was the most famous Diva, true to the legend from her temperamental personality to her extreme dedication to her art. She demanded much from everyone and far more yet from herself.


It was at the apex of her career that she fell in love with Aristotle Onassis, a Greek shipping tycoon known for his intelligence connections and who set up the Societe des Bains de Mer to launder for the CIA and the Mafia in Monte Carlo. He managed to push Prince Ranier of Monaco out of this company taking it over completely and becoming in effect the de facto ruler over Monaco.


Maria Callas with Aristotle Onassis



Also of Greek origin, Maria Callas was swept off her feet by Onassis whom she wanted to marry, the illusion was perfect according to her friends accounts. Perfect to all but her devoted husband and manager Giovanni Battista Meneghini who was unable to fight off the aggressive attentions of Onassis.


Maria sandwiched between her husband and her lover



But they maybe didn't know everything there was to know about her past, her upbringing and her true origins.


One century earlier, there was another Mezzo Soprano who was world renowned, venerated as the leading Diva in her day. She was the younger sister of the admired Maria Malibran whose voice amazed and whose artistry was honed when rehearsing with Frantz Liszt and performing with Clara Schumann.


She lived a long life as can be seen in the comparisons of her portrait at different ages. Daughter of a noted opera singer, her name was Pauline Garcia and she married theater director and critic Louis Viardot and became also known as Pauline Viardot.














Maria Callas somehow changed considerably during her romance with Onassis. She frequently stayed with him on his yacht Christina which was the largest in the world, a former Canadian Navy vessel converted for other purposes. Was it to house CIA cloning and Mind Control operations at sea, in international waters? Regardless, here is an account of her best friend of how Maria Callas changed significantly in 1966. This conversation is from the outtakes to the film Opera Fanatic: Stefan and the Divas, in which Stefan Zucker speaks with opera singer Giulietta Simionato, companion to Maria Callas.

SZ: What were the reasons for the decline of Callas's voice?

GS: Onassis. Leading the life she did, a very social life. He took her into the highest circles. She no longer was herself because she no longer had her music. And later, when she went to make the film Medea, with Pasolini, I said to her, "You are music incarnate. By abandoning music, it is only natural that your voice has abandoned you. Now you want to resume your career. But Maria, dear, you can't hope to resume it, for there has been such a rupture in your career that even psychologically you never can regain the success you had once." She listened. I could say anything to Maria. I could tease her, scold her, advise her. She asked me for advice--I never would have dared offer it to her. We were good companions. If we felt like talking, we talked. If we didn't feel like talking, we remained silent. If one wanted to go to a museum and the other said, "Today I'm a little tired," the other would say, "That's all right; I'll go by myself." No one was offended. Maria and I got along very well.

SZ: Before she met Onassis, was there no decline in Callas's voice?

GS: No, no.

SZ: Did the voice change over the years?

GS: Yes, it's as if it shattered because something in her broke. After this change in her style of living, without music, Maria no longer was herself.

SZ: In '59 or '60, was her voice the same as in '48?

GS: I would say yes. In fact there was an added maturity. With her knowledge of technique and studying the way she did and with an instrument that still was sound, she still could do what she wanted. There were no weaknesses. Her ruin really was that man.

SZ: In '48 the voice was broad, wide-ranging and somewhat heavy whereas....

GS: It hadn't gotten heavier--more dramatic perhaps. Since she no longer sang the leggero repertoire, the voice naturally had become more robust.

SZ: According to you, was the voice more robust in '58 or '59 than in '48?

GS: It's difficult for me to remember now if it was robust in one period but not another. I can't give you a precise answer.

MY HYPOTHESIS FOLLOWS:


It is my assumption that she had been cloned again or otherwise replaced. Not letting music back into her life is far too inconsistent for someone so deeply dedicated to her career and this art. We must consider the alternative.


She 'changed' in the year 1966, the same year James Paul McCartney of The Beatles was replaced by a doppelganger we've come to call Faul. We have assumed that it may have been for an occult Illuminati bloodline Elite Satanic ritual human sacrifice in the case of Paul. Maria Callas may have endured the same fate in the same ceremony upon also being replaced for public consumption.


The ritual death of Princess Diana is another of such events, the reading of which might help you better understand why I think that this may be what occurred. Here is a link:


Diana's Ritual Death


The ancient Incas would sacrifice the most admired and beautiful to honor their Reptilian Serpent God. This could still be the case with the Bloodline Royal Elites who indulge in the Serpent Cult. Before discounting this possibility it is necessary to fully investigate the issues and determine what other interpretation can be given for the web of evidence which invariably points in this direction.

Peter O'Toole


Peter O'Toole may have been an early experimentation in Genetic resurrection of old DNA. Unexpectedly after 2 years in the Royal Navy he then went on to receive a scholarship which opened the gates to the greatest heights of theater at the Royal Dramatic Art Academy as classmate of Alan Bates and Richard Harris. We may ponder at the following resemblance which seems greater yet than that of his double Feter. Was the original Peter O'Toole a resurrection of Horus Djer?





While not everyone will agree with the origin of Peter O'Toole being Djer, a Pharaoh of ancient Egypt, at least modern science has confirmed that it is possible to clone DNA from Egyptian Mummies dating back to antiquity.


Molecular cloning of Ancient Egyptian mummy DNA


Regardless of whose donor DNA was used, here is evidence that Peter O'Toole was a clone, or at least was one of two twins separated at birth.


Peter O'Toole and Nazi Officer Joachim Peiper


It is interesting to note that his SS Officer "brother" was tried and condemned to death in Dachau for war crimes, but after McCarthy's intervention was released and hired by Ferdinand Porsche for his US export market before working for Volkswagen.


Caught up in legal pursuits by former victims, he moved to France in 1972 writing military history and using the name Rainer Buschmann as a pen name for German car magazines. After being recognized by locals he was publically denounced as a member of a Nazi SS continuity movement.


At 1 AM on July 13, 1976 his house was burnt down and an unidentifiable body found, he was presumed dead without any verifiable evidence. This time period coincides with the replacement of Peter O'Toole by a doppelganger, and we can wonder if there might not be a relation between the two?


He could have had plastic surgery done to his ears to attempt to disguise himself, making them big enough to change his appearance? Why else would a Peter O'Toole double avoid at all costs reducing his ears to fit the size of the actor he is replacing, if it weren't for a more important reason yet, to make sure he wouldn't be recognized as a Nazi War Criminal?


Was it Peter O'Toole's body which was found carbonized in his house? And could this be one of the practical reasons for using clones in general? If one of the clones is caught in a pinch, the other be baited and eliminated to serve as a convenient, almost genuine, death certificate... finger prints and minor forensic details aside. Joachim Peiper worked with Himmler who was a proponent of Cloning and we can find his clones in the Soviet Politburo and until recently in the White House.


Page 9 of The Royal and Presidential Clone Conspiracy


Peter O'Toole and Nazi SS Officer Joachim Peiper



We will note small cartilage differences in the nose, ears and chin which are quite common between clones with the same DNA. Something rather ironic is that Peter O'Toole went on to play the role of a Nazi Officer in The Night of the Generals. He can be seen here on a poster advertising that movie next to his "kin" which was the real thing.


One of the very best Hollywood actors has been replaced by another actor playing the part of... Peter Seamus O'Toole. The Doppelganger has a different nose, closer eyes, a thinner longer head and considerably larger ears. Here are some photos of Peter and his impostor for comparison.





There is confirmation to his having been replaced prior to this film, making the unknown actor’s role as an impostor several decades long. It took some patience, but I was able to capture a second or two during Murphy's War where you could catch a brief glimple of “Peter's” ear. It matches that of the impostor pictured at an older age, and it can be seen that he is not the Peter O’Toole shown at the far right.




Beyond his different features, the impostor doesn't have the charisma of Peter who was quite a handsome man who oozed charm. Also, once a surgically modified double ages, the similarity decreases and they look more and more phony. Peter O'Toole had sufficient culture to make a Mind Controlled Clone less viable an option than a handler controlled actor usurping his identity. While the actor will fare much better in passing for him by his expressive style and cultural references, the physical appearance is far less compelling.





We can see in this photo an impostor receiving an Oscar rewarding the career of the man he was replacing, to the right this imposter is ageing and due to this looking less and less like Peter, and then he underwent surgery to try to look more like him.




However, while he is less obviously radically different from the original man, he still has very important discrepancies from Peter.





As for many other well-known actors, comedians, musicians and artists... we must bid farewell to Peter O'Toole who graced us with his magnificent interpretations of Laurence of Arabia, Mister Chips and so many other unmatched performances ranging from Shakespeare to the original Casino Royale. As a salute, here is Peter to the left.

Hi Getsmart.....thank you so very much for this very interesting information. I have always adored reading biographical information, and this, along with your own thoughts and conjectures made for a most excellent read. S&F, well deserved.

reply to post by Getsmart


I must say this is a rather interesting read, truly something you would only see on ATS. Thanks for taking the time to put this together. S/F...

Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
Hi Getsmart.....thank you so very much for this very interesting information. I have always adored reading biographical information, and this, along with your own thoughts and conjectures made for a most excellent read. S&F, well deserved.

Hi Lady in Waiting,


I'm glad you found it entertaining, and do not hold it against me that my posts are entirely made up only of my thoughts and conjecture. Unless one day there is disclosure, we shall not be able to ascertain whether these suppositions are true or not. For those who can obtain original DNA from the past and engage in fairly large scale cloning can of course falsify any DNA source of original individuals from the past, the only way to verify the accuracy of said DNA would be to create our own clones just for that purpose.


If you are interested in Celebrities and either their clones or their replacement by impostors, here is another interesting forum:


Celebrity Doppelgangers

Originally posted by jkrog08
I must say this is a rather interesting read, truly something you would only see on ATS. Thanks for taking the time to put this together. S/F...

Hi JK Rog,


I'm relatively new to this subject, and am exploring it as I go along. Most of my research this past month or two has been in the "Twin" (sorry, I couldn't help it) thread to this one also in Skunk works. I will be paying a bit more attention to celebrities now, as they do deserve more than a fleeting glance.

Yeah, and maybe Elvis was cloned from King David and the American Statue of Liberty and his image has been cloned throughout history to do great things in certain ages... Why not?

reply to post by Getsmart


Yes, follow the money trail. Only the rich and famous would be able to finance such an endeavor!

Excellent thread Getsmart.

I enjoyed your comments and the article by Matthew Delooze.

I have wondered about cloning for many years and have suspected the Germans to have perfected the process even before the war.

Star and flag for you.

This came up on the other thread. It is my personal opinion that there is a connection between Faul McCartney & Emperor Justinius - clone or maybe what Delooze was describing in his article:

The image is symbolic for Diana returning to this world ‘with the same looks’ so to speak. The collective spiritual energy directed at Diana from the human race will allow her to return to earth with the very same looks when she chooses to...

The Serpent Cult have placed the items you see inside this Temple to receive our free will permission to allow Diana to return to this world as many times as she chooses in the exact same physical image and equipped with the same guile. The 'figures' represent 'reincarnation' in the same body and the hanging profile picture is to symbolism that reincarnation will be with the same face...

Diana: Can you see the real me?
by Mathew Delooze
www.oneballmedia.com...

Faul McCartney & Emperor Justinius


There were some pretty compelling comps you did, Getsmart. I'm not really sure what it means, if anything, but the George comp is especially compelling, imo.









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Originally posted by Truth hunter
Yeah, and maybe Elvis was cloned from King David and the American Statue of Liberty and his image has been cloned throughout history to do great things in certain ages... Why not?

Hi Truth Hunter,


That is pretty much the sort of thing it looks like the Illuminati have been doing in the past century, cloning key historical figures into celebrities who often have not much to do with the original individual.


Would this be why Elvis was nicknamed "The King"?


Unfortunately, those who may have cloned him (if indeed he was cloned) would be the only ones who would know it was 'Him' given that there are to my knowledge no reliable portraits of King David, only artistically inspired renditions.


If this was the case, then there are several hypotheses to this phenomenon.


1. There is such a thing as "cellular memory" and we can source some information about our lives within our bodies, a clone would therefore automatically inherits some of its past even without operating a formal memory transfer process (if such a process has been perfected).


2. The re-creation of one's original body by cloning can conjure up that person's original soul offering them the possibility of reincarnating upon invitation.


3. The replication of a body is dissociated from any tributary soul and this body thus becomes a vessel of choice for any spirit one wishes to conjure up during occult ceremonies to take possession of said body.


4. Clones are created as vessels for soul transfer of the Illuminati Elite who are complicit in an organization designed to provide them with eternal life. The proverbial pact with the Devil is passed and they gain possession of worldly wealth and power but lose their souls in the process. Their mind is transferred but their soul is either damaged or lost during the transfer.


5. Clones are given by other clones in positions of power access to the good life, everything is done so that they achieve the highest potential granting them every advantage, awards and prizes often undeserved, contracts and deals often overpaid, power and prestige often usurped.


6. When choosing their next life, candidate to occupy a cloned body may request to become a movie star, a famous artist or even someone famous for being famous without any special merit. Vanity has its share, but also the organized system of preposterously high revenue given to Stars who do little to earn this money, and the cult like veneration of their personality which is usually without any genuine distinguishing worth.


I will go so far as to maintain that there is an Illuminati Zionist connection to Hollywood, which was presumably created for this very purpose, to establish a modern Cult of Icons through the original Studio system now taken over by branding agents and Image marketers. Stars are created out of thin air, built up and sold to the public as bigger than life and extra-ordinary in countless imaginary ways. They are invented, fabricated, distorted, falsified, promoted, branded, sold and resold, derivative products not included.


There is mounting evidence that they are also, from time to time, "disappeared" implying that there is a 'payback' due to the Illuminati organization at given ritual ceremonial dates with occult significance. In such instances the group's purposes are advanced in other dimensions by operating ceremonies including human sacrifice of those most admired to grant greater power to the spells or incantations solicited from their Serpent God.


If another clone can be substituted for the first clone that was sacrificed, then they come back substantially transformed and having lost their talent after an invoked trauma, no longer being able to sing, not being able to remember events or people, desiring to retire (Tiger Woods comes to mind) and becoming reclusive. Sometimes they re-emerge in a different career with a new look after cosmetic surgery and announced life changes. They are dead, and we are contending with a pretender.


A great game is being played right before our eyes, hidden in plain sight. Who is playing this game, and for what purpose? This is what our two Clone Conspiracy threads are dedicated to discovering. With a lot of work and a bit of luck, we may come closer to guessing at the truth.

Originally posted by someotherguy
This came up on the other thread. It is my personal opinion that there is a connection between Faul McCartney & Emperor Justinius - clone or maybe what Delooze was describing in his article:

The image is symbolic for Diana returning to this world ‘with the same looks’ so to speak. The collective spiritual energy directed at Diana from the human race will allow her to return to earth with the very same looks when she chooses to...

Hi Someotherguy,


All four of The Beatles, the original deal as well as their impostors, have had their image so engraved in our collective imagery that we cannot look at this Byzantine era mosaic without thinking of the Fabulous Four.


Justinian at Saint Vital Church in Ravenna circa 540 AD

Saint Vital church was built between the years 532 and 547, the work was started at the initiative the daughter of Ostrogoth King Theodric. You can see the mosaic in question at the bottom right of the following picture.


Saint Vital Church in Ravenna

Large size complete mosaic


Here is a comparison of George Harrison and one of Justinian's companions.

There is a strong presumption here that these four were at the very least symbolically resurrected for unknown Occult and mystical purposes, their appearance and exploitation being handled with much mystification. What may also be assumed is that these Four individuals may have been cloned and implanted in different families, with or without their knowledge. They may have later been manipulated into forming a group making them into a new force to forge a new society, extending the Empire of those controlling them.


Without going into details of what occurred in the 1950's and 60's, we can well enough imagine that the British Imperial Crown as well as the Tavistock Institute were either behind this or at least accomplices in the task.



[edit on 15-12-2009 by Getsmart]

Originally posted by dizziedame
I have wondered about cloning for many years and have suspected the Germans to have perfected the process even before the war.

Hi Dizzie Dame,


Thanks for your words of encouragement. The Nazis were probably already engaged heavily in cloning, or maybe they were just conducting 'costly' in human terms research into perfecting research already underway elsewhere. They did do some very nasty things to identical twins in the concentration camps.

Originally posted by Getsmart

What may also be assumed is that these Four individuals may have been cloned and implanted in different families, with or without their knowledge.

I don't think the original Beatles were not clones. They may have been cloned, & those clones may have been put w/ different families, as you suggest. But, if clones can be "grown" quickly, placing them w/ families might not even be necessary...

But I agree that there was an attempt to exploit the originals for some ulterior purpose, but they weren't having any of it.

JMO

Caprica - she's a perfect copy

Yeah, thanks. That was just an idea. Elvis looks very similar to Michelangelo's David statue, and also the Roman 'Elvis' head sculpture is a mystery...reply to post by Getsmart

I had wondered about that Roman Elvis statue. Maybe we are getting some insight into that... Maybe Elvis was created in that "god's" image, cloned from that "god," or maybe it was the same being?



Does anyone else notice differences here?

I don't see any difference between the two real Elvis photos but the statue head is stunningly similar to the older Elvis.. That's a real clue. Maybe the Romans could see into the future and they liked Elvis

Originally posted by Truth hunter
I don't see any difference between the two real Elvis photos ...

The nose is very different...

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