Key to being a God(ess)

OK, i know i'm going to get roasted by the god squad but here is my take on religion.

TECHNOLOGY is the key to being a god or godess.

think about it. we now can travel in space; a feat that ancient people, or people less than 300 years ago thought impossible, only able to be done by gods. and a modern rocket launch would be described by a 1st century israelite as "a chariot of fire, racing towards the heavens." today, this is commonplace, and we are used to it.

and the founding fathers of america would view us as gods, what with the "horseless chariot", portable music players, small computers, etc.

so, it is possible that alien life forms came to earth, bestowed upon humanity intelligence, and vanished. i remember hearing about a tribe in africa (nandi?) that has a legend about them being visited by fish-like beings from around Sirius.

so, what is your take??

Well, I appreciate your analysis but you have missed some critical points.

Let's start by defining technology. In its most basic form technology is a practical application of knowledge that results in a particular ability. For example, the space travel you pointed out is an application of knowledge of gravity and chemistry. Currently our knowledge of those two subjects is limited and so are the results of their application.

I think we can agree that technology is the result of understanding.

If we stick with your idea of godliness, that being the possession of profound ability, then we must also agree that understanding is the path to that godliness. So the question remains, how do we enhance our understanding?

Well, I will spare the technical explanation, but understanding results from accurate perception.

Therefore, only through understanding can we develop technology which, according to your ideas, brings us closer to godliness.

I think that is simple and easily recognizable as true.

Maybe for further discussion we can differentiate between god and God. I would be interested to hear your take.

Truthfully,
Shane

Yes, in a way. But as technology grows, so do our perceptions. We see life for the truth, for what it really is, such as quantum physics.

Some people will stay behind, enjoy all the technology and FEEL like a god, while the others will be evolving their minds, being the gods. Being a god is changing your intention 180 degrees. turning your life, the complete opposite of what it is.

From get to give.

reply to post by gandhi


yeah, good observation.
i like how you say that people's minds evolve. truly from get to give.

Originally posted by randolrs1
Let's start by defining technology. In its most basic form technology is a practical application of knowledge that results in a particular ability. For example, the space travel you pointed out is an application of knowledge of gravity and chemistry. Currently our knowledge of those two subjects is limited and so are the results of their application.

yes, that is true. our knowledge is dim, but continues to grow exponentially.

Originally posted by radolrs1 Maybe for further discussion we can differentiate between god and God. I would be interested to hear your take.

god, God, they're all the same. they are "divine" powers that watch over humankind, from the heavens.

reply to post by LocoHombre


I think the key to being a "god" or "goddess" lies with the beholder. If they are ill-informed and not knowledgable then yes, they will consider you a god/dess. But does that really make you one? Does simple interpretation alter reality?

A2D

Originally posted by LocoHombre
OK, i know i'm going to get roasted by the god squad but here is my take on religion.

I hope nothing that comes from me ever feels like a roasting, though I'm sure people around here would catagorize me as part of the God squad.

Originally posted by LocoHombre
so, what is your take??

I think the pursuit of technology can range from "hey that's handy" to "this will make me all powerful!" No matter what the intent, it is easy for mankind to get wrapped up in feeling powerful (whether through technology, politics, wealth, etc.) which can be used to either help or destroy our fellow humans and/or environment. We 'create' our own universes online with games and such so we may have a taste of how it feels to play God. Whether God actually feels the way we do when we do this is another story. Nevertheless, whatever we create is not the creation that we began in, nor is the truth in the real world in which we live.

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reply to post by saint4God


don't worry, it did not sound like roasting.
although i do not agree with your point of God in general, your response was intelligent and constructed, and i thank you for that.

i agree that man easily gets wrapped up in things without worrying about repercussions.

Originally posted by LocoHombre
so, what is your take??

i say LOVE is the key to being a god or goddess.

LOVE
not technology

reply to post by queenannie38


That works too, but, would lower peoples see those with LOVE as gods?
love is easily attainable. technology must be worked for.

sorry if i sound cynical, i don't mean to. i like how you think.

reply to post by LocoHombre

OK, i know i'm going to get roasted by the god squad but here is my take on religion.

Well why do you think you're going to get roasted as you say.

Not that you were wrong. You're gonna get more than roasted now, but only for
that, " God squad "crack. YOU'RE GONNA BURN everything was fine up to then, but you just couldn't stand it. No No you just had to pop off
AND NOW YOU'RE GONNA BURN just kidding
I would have to say something about what you have chosen to believe.
I myself have no business here really.
Except for that ,"GOD SQUAD CRACK".

I'm glad that people are using the term "god" in quotes, since it is quite impossible for a finite being to become infinite, just like it is impossible for an infinite being to become finite. This is quite simply because of The Omniscience Paradox, which goes like this:

"A being cannot know all things unless that being also knows ignorance, including all the qualities that go along with ignorance. A being cannot know ignorance and still claim to know all things."

Now, what strikes me immediately in this post is your far inferior definition of what it means to be THE true God. Even if you gain a complete understanding and mastery of everything in this material universe, you will still never be the originator of all that exists. Even if you rise to the level of a Type 3 civilization, able to fully control every aspect of all the forces and materials of all galaxies in all universes, you will still be unable to exceed the limitations inherent in those universes itself. Even if you could transcend being material, and became pure energy, you'd be limited by the inherent features of energy.

The very nature of THINGS is that they contain limitations and boundaries, and it is these limitations and boundaries which prevent you from being infinite.

You see, for those of us who have thought this out in great detail, and who have come up with 100% proof that God MUST exist, understand that what religious people call God is in reality the SOURCE of all that is, and that SOURCE is the infinite "ocean" of POTENTIAL for things to exist. This potential is what allows for the existence of space, time, energy, light, matter, movement, connection, and mind, including thought, emotion, and will.

So, quite simply, God is the infinite potential, and creation is the finite realization of that potential. The creation can never be the potential, and the potential can never be the creation. These are logical impossibilities that violate the first-order laws of reason.

Like other philosophers of the past such as Immanuel Kant, I have been preparing an essay on this subject, presenting epistemologically irrefutable arguments as to why this "originating source" must exist, and indeed it will establish with irrefutable logic and reason the very things that science avoids to address, simply because there is no way to address them aside from the proofs I will put forth in an upcoming thread.

Where "god-less" science goes awry is that it assumes that the universe started off as emptiness, to which things (like energy, matter, etc.), and the laws that govern these things, were added by no originating source at all. In other words, they see the universe as additive, assuming a source-less spontaneous generation. They, in fact, are the true believers in unreasonable fantasy, presupposing the very thing they claim to disbelieve in, namely, that there was a point at which something sprang from nothing, violating the conservation of energy and momentum.

This will be shown in my upcoming essay to be a complete impossibility, fraught with circular reasoning and contradiction. For you see, the creation is not additive at all, but rather, it is subtractive! Creation is accomplished by applying boundaries and limitations to an otherwise boundary-less and limitless infinite potential. Within the "mind" of God there exists the potential for everything: every movement, every action, every reaction, every thought, every conclusion, every emotion, and every attribute, and because this is potential and not actualization, all these "things" exist as an infinite web of possibility, without form, boundary, or limit. So, in God's mind, we find ALL-THINGS, which is the same as NO-THING, for things can only exist where there is neither "nothing" nor "all-things."

So, while it is desirable to become "god-like" in a very limited definition of the term, it is really quite impossible to be God, for we are already part of God, in that God requires our existence for his own completion and fulfillment, for it is only through creation that the infinite creator can know the finite. We are part of the actualization of his/her/it's infinite potential!



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