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Originally posted by redoubt
reply to post by warrenb
True or False? 11 million Germans killed after WW2 by allies
The number I have always heard most is about 9 million, including (mostly) military from all branches. Considering the scale that this war was waged upon, it is probably on the light side... just as the 22 million that Russia lost and most of those civilians. (The US lost about 500 thousand, all told.)
When considering the death toll of any conflict, one must take into account the both deaths directly related to combat and those that would be considered as collateral. The latter would include civilians who died as a result of the war and any associated plagues and diseases which are a natural follower of such things. . . .
Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
If what the OP quoted was true, then why was the United States and the allies involved in the great Berlin Airlift of 1948 and 1949 to get food, fuel, and supplies to the people of Germany?
It all seems highly unlikely...plus many people would have been witness to 11,000,000 German deaths after the war, if that actually occurred. One would think that those witnesses would have mentioned something about this before if these deaths were a direct result of government "policy".
I suppose there was some ethnic cleansing (that will always happen, and still happens today), and there were deaths due to starvation (that, too will unfortunately always happen) -- but it is a much different thing to say that many of these deaths were caused by a concerted and deliberate effort by the allies.
Originally posted by Kailassa
The number I have always heard most is about 9 million, including (mostly) military from all branches. Considering the scale that this war was waged upon, it is probably on the light side... just as the 22 million that Russia lost and most of those civilians. (The US lost about 500 thousand, all told.)
When considering the death toll of any conflict, one must take into account the both deaths directly related to combat and those that would be considered as collateral. The latter would include civilians who died as a result of the war and any associated plagues and diseases which are a natural follower of such things. . . .
This thread is not about Germans killed by the Allies during the war. It's about those killed after the war.
Some sources suggest about 1,000,000 Germans died in caged areas that couldn't be classed as camps, run by the Americans in post-war Germany. Most died of starvation.
Under Eisenhower's command, these Germans, mostly soldiers, were denied the basic necessities of life.
They were forced to live crowded together in fields with no protection from the harsh cold other than holes they dug with their bare hands. They ate the grass from underfoot in an effort to fill their empty bellies. And, in a prelude to what FEMA would do years later in New Orleans, Eisenhower sent any donations of food away, preferring to make the Germans starve.
The ones that survived this were used as slave labor by the allies. France used them to clear minefields, killing many 1000s of them in the process.
FRANCE'S DEADLY MINE-CLEARING MISSIONS
Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans at the End of World War Two
After the End: Who Put the Bad in Bad Kreuznach?
Forced labor of Germans in the Soviet Union
Some people argue that this was just because of a lack of food. However they have generally not heard of the Morgenthau Plan, under which all of Germany was to be systematically starved, and its industry dismantled.
David Irving's Introduction to the Morgenthau Plan; the Problem of Policy Perversion
Public disgust with this plan in America resulted in it being superseded by the Marshal Plan, much to General Eisenhower's disgust. Unable to starve all Germans to death, he dod his utmost to at least starve as many soldiers as he could.
Originally posted by TheComte
I would have to say false. My grandparents lived through the time and my parents would have been small children (6-9 years old) and no one has even hinted at anything like this in all my life. And my grandmother was quite outspoken about that time so if there was something like this going on I'm sure she would have made mention of it.
Originally posted by TheComte
reply to post by MorgothaM
They were living inside of Germany. They were German.
Originally posted by MorgothaM
Despite this information, and of course, with the opinion of a major part of ATS people, this doesn't matter...
The only importants deaths of WW2 was jews... the rest of us, must go to hell...(we are animals, remember that)
Originally posted by warrenb
reply to post by hounddoghowlie
well the old adage: an eye for an eye, leads me to believe it is entirely possible.
Historically, civilian populations have always suffered for the wrongs of their military and governments actions.
Originally posted by Alien Mind
It leads me to believe that we're no better then the nazis.
Alien Mind
Originally posted by hounddoghowlie
i could see stalin doing some thing like this, just look how he treated his own people! but the US doing it, seems kinda far out there to me.
hell were there even 11 million germans after the war, i thought that at the begaining of the war germany only had a little over 30 million people.
and we killed i dont know how during the war.
Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
If what the OP quoted was true, then why was the United States and the allies involved in the great Berlin Airlift of 1948 and 1949 to get food, fuel, and supplies to the people of Germany?
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