The Nazis, Admiral Byrd and The Secret Land

I'm sure a lot of people here have heard about Admiral Byrd and the claimed meeting he had with UFO's in the Antarctic, but there is another theory... lets take a look.

The Neuschwabenland

In late 1938, just before WW2, Byrd visited Hamburg and was invited to participate in the 1938/1939 German "Neuschwabenland" Antarctic Expedition by the Nazis. Byrd had a great knowledge of the Antarctic area, he had already been on several expeditions there previously. However Byrd declined.

On 17 December 1938 the New Swabia Expedition left Hamburg for Antarctica aboard the Schwabenland, a freighter capable of carrying and catapulting aircraft. The expedition had 33 members plus the Schwabenland's crew of 24. In January 1939 the ship arrived in an area already claimed in 1938 by Norway as Dronning Maud Land and began charting the region. In the following weeks 15 flights were made by the ship’s two Dornier Wal aircraft named Passat and Boreas over an area reported as about 600,000 square kilometres (although others have claimed the area flown over was half this size). More than 16,000 aerial photographs were taken but these are still considered useless since they consist of more or less endless white images with no indications of latitude or longitude.[1] To assert Germany’s claim to newly named Neu-Schwabenland three German flags were placed along the coast and 13 more were air-dropped further inland. Some accounts claim these markers were 1.5-metre (5 ft)-tall iron poles topped with a swastika.

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It is claimed that the Nazis were setting up a secret base for advanced weapon and flight experiments as well as a place to escape should the war not go to plan. This was also detailed in newspapers of the time in the "Vierjahresplan" (The Four Year Plan) promoting the Third Reich's plan to colonize the Neuschuabenland.

The Nazi expedition discovered several ice free regions with lakes and small signs of vegetation. The expedition's geologists said that this phenomenon was due to hot springs. This discovery led to Heinrich Himmler to hatch a bold plan to build a permanent base in Antarctica. That base was code named "Station 211". Admiral Karl Doenitz announced its completion in 1943 saying "The German submarine fleet is proud of having built for the Fuhrer, in another part of the world, a Shangri-La on land, an impregnable fortress." There are many stories around Station 211, one of which details a supposed treasure room which held the Holy Lance--the spear that pierced the side of Jesus Christ on the cross... but that's another story.

This may sound hard to believe, that the Nazis set up a base in the Antarctica, however there is an interesting article in the New York Times from 1941.

NAZI BASE REPORTED IN ANTARCTIC AREA; Repair Shop at Deception Bay, 500 Miles From South America, Is Blown Up BYRD MAKES DISCLOSURE Admiral at Boston Greets Ship Returning With Members of United States Expedition

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And as you can see Byrd is mentioned again.

Why Antarctica? During the Nazi expeditions to Tibet they were given access to the secret cave systems of the Tibetan Monks that had not been seen for centuries. The Tibetans believed the arrival of the Nazis fulfilled their own prophecies that would usher in a new age of enlightenment. During the exploration of the caves by the Nazis, it is claimed that a secret volume of ancient texts from pre-flood times or even from Atlantis were found. These texts are supposed to have detailed where the opening to the hollow earth could be found and Hitler believed that an Aryan race dwelling there would help them win the war.

I'm sure we've all seen the pictures of Nazi made flying saucers.... if not here is a link to some of the supposed pictures - www.youtube.com...
Were these what Byrd had encountered during Operation High Jump?

Operation High Jump

After WW2 Admiral Byrd was sent to Antarctica, publicly it was just a research expedition, however the amount of manpower sent was huge compared to the Nazi "Neuschwabenland" Antarctic Expedition.

The massive Antarctic task force included 4,700 men, 13 ships, and multiple aircraft.

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It is claimed that after WW2 Adolph Hitler did not commit suicide in 1945, but fled to Argentina, then on to Station 211 in Antarctica. Numerous Nazi submarines went missing after WW2 and it is supposed that these were used to transport Hitler and others.

Was Operation High Jump a cover to finish off Hitler? With the amount of manpower sent, it could be the case and considering the military tactics taken, with a 3 pronged approach to Antarctica. Towards the end of Operation High Jump, Byrd had one last outing over Antarctica, this is when the famous missing 3 hours occurred. Did he meet Hitler? Did he meet UFO's? or did he just get lost?

Here is a great documentary of Operation High Jump... as it happened... including the missing 3 hours (around 49 mins of the film), I didn't even know this existed until a few days ago -

The Secret Land - video.google.co.uk...

It gives a good idea of the scale of this operation.

Operation High Jump was designed to last 8 months however they returned after two weeks, loosing many heavy equipment and planes.

On the way back Byrd gave an interview to the prestigious Chilean newspaper El Mercurio of Santiago on 5 March 1947. The article by Lee van Atta entitled "Admiral Richard E Byrd refers to the Strategic Importance of the Poles" had been sent from "On Board Mount Olympus on the High Seas". The article states "Admiral Byrd declared today that it was imperative for the United States to initiate defence measures against the possible invasion of the country by hostile aircraft operating from the polar regions. As regards the recently terminated expedition, Byrd said that the most important result of the observations and discoveries made is the current potential effect which they will have on the security of the United States."

There is more but I will have to post the reast at a later date... enjoy.



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das ist most interesting
now i am going to have to spend some time on google earth and see if I can find that unfrozen fresh water lake they showed in the film

As much as id like to believe it,

and as cool as it would be if true,

from watching the documentary, did you see how much trouble the submarine "Senate" had? it got stuck in the ice and had to be rescued and sent back to sea, it had to leave the expidition. so clearly these waters are the WORST for subs .. if that one didnt have a coast guard icebreaker with it, it would've been toast and all the men on board would have been as well.

So how could the nazis pull off an entire submarine BASE if we cant even get a single sub down there with the assistance of an icebreaker? thats my question for the OP or any advocate of this theory. thanks.

Incredibly interesting.

I don't have much to add, just wanted to show my appreciation for an interesting thread.

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I'm no advocate of the theory (really was an interesting one though) but: Perhaps what you see in the film is a well thought out 'cover'.

I mean, if you are going to secretly kill a secretly alive Hitler and his secret S.S. in his secret Antarctic base...

...then you need to kind of cover alot of bases in the subtle propoganda department.

eta:

But seriously. Why would the movie that is all-things-armed foreces come out and make their secret known?

Shooting the cat while it's still in the bag, don't you think?

eta2: wait, that cat thing doesn't make any sense.

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This is, for me, a "guilty pleasure" topic. Thanks for this thread OP!

It really is one of those "what if" stories about those crowd pleasers, the Nazis.

I remember reading Jim Marrs's book Alien Agenda, starting my curiousity about Adm. Byrd, Nazis, an Argentinian connection, etc. Here's an interesting excerpt from the Marrs book:

www.greyfalcon.us...

Of note is the recent and ongoing interest in Lake Vostok...

As most civilians have no real access to this continent, it's a "fun" theory to at least entertain!

Here's another link to Nazi UFO stuff:

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

Edit: added link.

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"It is claimed . . . "

Translation: I read it on the web somewhere.

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I remember reading Jim Marrs's book Alien Agenda, starting my curiousity about Adm. Byrd, Nazis, an Argentinian connection, etc. Here's an interesting excerpt from the Marrs book:

www.greyfalcon.us...

Very interesting reading. Thank you 'cbianchi'

even if the nazis were there....they're not there anymore so it doesn't really make a difference. It is highly possible though. Just because there is no evidence doesnt mean it's not true. Have ou heard of Jonastal?
everyone says there was nothing going on there. I have reports of people who claimed to work there, who for some reason were able to tell me how i could enter the facillity, without even being spotted there. To cut down a long story->
I didn't believe it either, untill I went to where they told me to go......
You know what? They wern't lying. I found an entrance to SIII, I got in about 200 feet, but the entrance was sealed from the inside. If you want proof -> message me, because I am cant post this info publically, without getting in BIG trouble...

thanks for this information i find this subject matter fascinating!

can anyone actually specify the type , penant number and most importanly the captains of all the claiumed ` missing u-boats `

because i have found no credible evidence of any ` missing u-boats `

yess there are many pennant numbers assigned to the kirigsmaringe list - but the simple answer is that thats all thiy were -0 numbers on a list

the hulls were never built

why ?

pretty standard wartime deception - the allies attempted to monitor u-boat numbers and dispositions - and the germans perported to number all hulls sequentially - but to devieve thier enmemies they actually skipped blocks regularly

the aim was that if a brittish unit sighted say U601 - it would be assumed that there were 600 other subs out there - but there were not - as many blocks were skipped - and the subs only existed on paper

its amazing that so called reserachers still cite thes ` missing subs ` as reall units

Originally posted by ignorant_ape
can anyone actually specify the type , penant number and most importanly the captains of all the claiumed ` missing u-boats `

because i have found no credible evidence of any ` missing u-boats `

Yes... there were plenty of missing u-boats after WW2.

To give an example... U-869

On February 28, 1945 the American destroyer escort USS Fowler and the French submarine chaser L'Indiscret conducted a depth charge attack on a submerged contact in the Atlantic near Rabat and reported a kill, although little visible evidence was presented to confirm the kill. Based on the information provided, U.S. Naval Intelligence rated the attacks "G—No Damage." U-869 had been previously ordered by Karl Dönitz to move her area of operations from the North American coast to the Gibraltar area, and for many years this attack was assumed to have been her end. Following the end of World War II, postwar investigators upgraded the rating from "G—No Damage" to "B—Probably Sunk," leading to an erroneous historical record that U-869 was sunk near Gibraltar.

In 1991, Bill Nagle, a former wreck diver and the captain of the Seeker learned about a wreck outside New Jersey and decided to mount a diving expedition to the site. On September 2, 1991, an unidentified U-boat wreck was discovered 73 meters (240 feet) deep (a hazardous depth for standard scuba diving) off the coast of New Jersey. Nicknamed the U-Who, the exact identity of the wreck was a matter of frequent debate, and initially the wreck was thought to be either U-550 or U-521. The discoverers of U-Who, John Chatterton and Richie Kohler, continued to dive the wreck for the next several years, taking considerable risks (three divers, Steve Feldman, Chris Rouse and Chris Rouse, Jr., died exploring the U-869). Eventually, the team recovered a knife inscribed with "Horenburg", a crew member's name. However, they learned at the U-boat archives that U-869 was supposedly sent to Africa, so this piece of evidence was initially discarded. A few years later, they found part of the UZO torpedo aiming device, and spare parts from the motor room engraved with serial and other identifying numbers. On August 31, 1997 they concluded that the boat they found is the U-869.

So although this one example of a missing u-boat is no longer missing in 2009 it was missing for circa 45 years, thought to have been sunk off the coast of Africa and found of the coast of America in 1991. Just because there may not be any RECORDED missing u-boats today doesn't mean there weren't any after WW2 and many years after.

As you can see it was almost impossible to confirm a u-boat being destroyed and what it's number was. The records at the time were based on NO evidence and presumptions. If you can provide evidence of every u-boat that was RECORDED as destroyed actually being destroyed at the same time and place, that would be great.... otherwise who knows what was missing and what was not at the end of WW2?

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Wayno, in Google earth search for Bunger Hills or Bunger Lakes or Bunger Oasis. If that doesn't find it then search Shackleton ice shell and look west.

For additional potential info relevant to this thread of Antarctica and hidden bases ... go check out my thread
"Very unusual holes/openings/entrances found in Antactica"

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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I always thought the Russian account of his dental match of the corpse was very skewed. And the fact that he was 'buried and re-buried' and they just plum forgot where he is was BS.

Hitler was Stalin's PURPOSE in life and Stalin ordered the Red Army be the first into Berlin and they were. He wouldnt have just let Hitlers body be lost if they had really found it.
I think he would have paraded it around Moscow as a trophy.

I dunno, would saucers be able to fly with the different magnetic fields at the poles..?

The Nazi's, Antartica & Iraq all lead to hollowearth/Planet X.

mmmmm...

A bone fragment believed to be part of Adolf Hitler's skull has been revealed as being that of an unidentified woman, US scientists have said.

news.bbc.co.uk...

The Whole Neuschwabenland Theory is BS.
Sorry to say, but it all never happened.
I have extended my Research over every subject of WWII with main emphasis on Occultism and Myths of the Nazis.
The Closest they got to the antartica was Fuerte Ventura

Originally posted by Pakd-on-mystery
The Whole Neuschwabenland Theory is BS.
Sorry to say, but it all never happened.

While there are many aspects to the Neuschwabenland "story", to call it a theory is hardly serving history justice. While conjecture and a good deal of exaggeration and outright flights of fancy seem to have been added to this tale, there certainly does appear to be plenty of concrete evidence that the Germans did, indeed, have designs on Antarctica. To that end, the Germans/Nazis launched what had become known as the the Third German Antarctic Expedition under the leadership of Alfred Ritscher.

The fact of the matter is that the Germans did, indeed, launch an Antarctic Expedition and they did make a territorial claim on a fairly large swath of Antarctic territory which they called New Schwabia. The territorial claims were never recognized by any other nation and, when Germany lost WWII, the claims themselves lapsed and were assumed by Norway. Incidentally, Norways' claims to the territory are also not recognized as they were outside of the existing Antarctic treaties.

The late thirties and forties were a time of great exploration -- geographically and scientifically. The fact that the world was in the middle of a war only made this research more urgent and it caused much of this research to be done in a shroud of secrecy. Because of this veil of secrecy, we are still discovering new aspects, new details to a war that most might have thought of as having been "studied to death". There really is still much to learn.