Dulce Base conference ends: A FULL REPORT

DULCE BASE CONFERENCE ENDS WITH MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS!!
-a full report:

by Norio Hayakawa
March 30, 2009

DULCE, NEW MEXICO -- Close to 120 people showed up for the first "underground base" conference ever to be held in Dulce, New Mexico on Sunday, March 29.
The event made a rather tumultuous start at the Best Western Jicarilla Inn at 10 a.m.
By that time the entire bar lounge area began to be filled beyond capacity.

And by the time the first speaker (former Dulce ranch owner, Edmund Gomez) began his presentation, many people had to stand and wait in the adjacent restaurant area.
It was then that the Fire Department issued a warning saying that the conference must immediately be moved elsewhere.

Halfway through the speaker's fascinating presentation, the Fire Department issued a stern second warning saying that the number of people inside the conference room far exceeded its capacity.
Panic then began to be felt by the event's organizer, Norio Hayakawa of Rio Rancho.
Hotel employees frantically made phone calls to find out if there were any other locations available for the conference to go on.

It was then that Hoyt Velarde, former Dulce police officer and head of Public Safety Department, suggested to Hayakawa that the conference be moved to a civic hall inside a small shopping center across the street from the hotel.
With Velarde's swift assistance in making the arrangement, and after a short intermission, the entire Dulce Base: Fact or Fiction? conference and public forum finally resumed and continued the rest of the day at the new location.

As an interesting side note, on Sunday morning when it was still dark outside, many guests at the Best Western Jicarilla Inn were awakened shortly before 6 a.m. by a thunderous roar of blades of helicopters above. Local residents nearby reported that there was a rare low flight of two military helicopters above Dulce.
In the afternoon session of the conference, two local residents also testified that they witnessed the military helicopters circling above Dulce and that they passed slowly above the hotel. They told Hayakawa that there are occasional appearances of military helicopters over the town but the flights were never as low as what they saw early Sunday morning.

As organizer and moderator of this conference, Hayakwa several times alluded to an allegation that the government, beginning in the early 1970s and lasting till the early 1980s, may have conducted clandestine operations in the area involving experiments with bovine diseases, anthrax and other substances as part of biological warfare research.

He also alluded to another allegation that there may also have been some illegal dumping or storage of toxic chemicals and other bio-hazardous materials in the nearby areas.

Hayakawa stated that he tends to support a theory that the government may have purposefully created some 'convenient' cover stories (underground alien base concept) to conceal those clandestine activities and may even have staged a series of fake 'UFO-type' incidents in the area, utilizing high tech equipment such as holographic projection devices.

However he also stated that he cannot deny any possibility that there may indeed be some unknown interdimensional phenomenon in the area which happens to be filled with fascinating cultural and spiritual beliefs of the Jicarilla Apache nation.

The speakers at the conference and their main points expressed were as follows:

Edmund Gomez, spokesman for the entire Gomez family who owned a large ranch in Dulce said that their ranch lost more than 17 cows during the height of cattle mutilations incidents and experienced substantial financial loss over the years. Gomez stated that gas masks were found near the mutilation sites and that specific cows were each tracked with phosphorescent markings a few days before the mutilations actually took place. He is convinced that this was done by the government and that no aliens were involved. He asserted that the government was conducting some type of germ warfare experiments. He concluded by stating that there is definitely a governmental underground facility there.

Hoyt Velarde, former Dulce police officer and head of Public Safety Department asserted that he has not located the base yet but it is an undeniable fact that there have been (and still are) many UFO sightings in the area. Velarde even suggested that he is willing to organize an escorted group expedition soon for the public to the top of the Archuleta Mesa if such a request is made in earnest. He surprised the attendees also by saying that another conference on this topic could even be held next time in the conference hall of the Police Department there. Hayakawa said that he may consider this offer.

Gabe Valdez, former New Mexico state patrol officer in charge of the Dulce area stated that he investigated numerous cattle mutilation cases in the Dulce area from the mid 1970s to the early 1980s. He declared that this has nothing to do with aliens but that there is something there that is too sensitive for discussion and refused to further divulge what that was.

Christopher O' Brien, researcher of paranormal activities in the San Luis Valley of Southern Colorado asserted that Dulce may be a diversion for what is more importantly taking place in the San Luis Valley just north of northern New Mexico.

Dr.. Michael E. Salla, initiator of "exopolitics" and author of a book entitled EXPOSING U.S. GOVERNMENT POLICIES ON EXTRATERRESTRIAL LIFE expressed his belief that there is a joint US/alien underground bio-lab beneath the Archuleta Mesa and that this must be addressed as a serious human rights abuse issue.

Greg Bishop, author of PROJECT BETA, a book in which he describes in detail his investigations of the claims of an Albuquerque scientist by the name of Paul Bennewitz, said that Bennewitz was the initial source behind the rumors of the underground base in Dulce. Bishop asserted that Bennewitz was side tracked by an unofficial disinformation campaign to get him to look away from evidence of sensitive military projects going on in 1979 inside Kirtland Air Force Base in Albuquerque. However, Bishop surprised everyone when he said at the end that he is now beginning to doubt his initial doubt about Dulce and concluded that there could indeed be something there.

Gabe Julian, former Dulce police officer who worked under the late Raleigh Tafoya, former Dulce Police Chief described his encounters with three metallic, oval-shaped object hovering at a tree-top level at a ranch in Dulce. He described how he was dispatched to the ranch house of a woman who claimed that small people with strange boxes emitting light were harassing her. Initially skeptical of what his radio dispatcher told him, he drove over to the area and was shaken up when he witnessed those hovering objects there.

Dennis Balthaser, a well-known UFO researcher from Roswell, New Mexico expressed his conviction that there is a US/alien joint biological laboratory and base under the Archuleta Mesa.

Keith Ealy, a researcher with a fascinating interpretation of Dulce as being a space time portal for interdimensionals amazed the audience with his close-up satellite imagery of Dulce Elementary School building. He told the audience that the contours of the parking lot resemble an ancient stone scupture in Bolivia. He concluded that the Dulce area is filled with interdimentional phenomenon, a topic similarly shared by world famous researchers, Dr. Jacques Vallee and John Keel.

Here is an excellent report about the Dulce Base conference:

www.examiner.com...

Also, the Albuquerque Journal had a front page story today (March 30) about the conference. The headline which appeared at the bottom of the front page was "UFO Hunters Debate Underground Base". And on page 3 the headline for the continuing story was: "Secret Alien Base in N.M.?"

Outstanding thread!

I saw the last UFO hunters this past week (March 25th) on the Dulce Base. I hadn't heard of it up until that episode, but man there are all sorts of interesting theories about the base.

Personally, I am intrigued by the military flyover during the conference, which was reported to be abnormal. Maybe they were trying to send a message?

Although, if they were trying to keep the base secret, it might not be a good idea to fly right over a bunch of people investigating the area. But who knows, the military works in mysterious ways.

I'm skeptical about the alien involvement at the facility, but man, it smells funky around Dulce. I do think there is some sort of facility there though, there's got to be some truth behind the stories.

Once again, thanks for a fantastic, well-worded, informative, and most interesting piece on Dulce.

Keep us updated if you find anything else!!

-jips

[edit on 31-3-2009 by JipStix]

good job man, if i wasnt way down near las cruces i would have made the conference. i did however, watch the history channel airing the UFO Hunters episode.

Are there any dulce/ufo groups in albuquerque or rio rancho region?

my friend DaveO of Four Corners Crypto was giving me some updates on this conference and it sounds like it was pretty interesting and well put together....Dave is a killer bass player you should jam with him sometime

He told my Victoria Lindquist was there.....she is pretty interesting.

I hear there were some odd fellas outside the conference area taking down peoples license plate numbers.....weird & creepy, that.

I didnt hear about the low flying choppers....yikes what timing they had
(thump thump thump thump thump)

I wished I could have come.....but I was pretty busy skiing on all the fresh snow we got last week.



[edit on 31-3-2009 by theRiverGoddess]

Thanks for sharing!! Starred and flagged!!

I heard the OP (Norio Hayakawa) will be interviewed in a show this week and I'm sure he'll provide more on his research. I'm looking forward to that.

[edit on 31-3-2009 by Exopolitico]

Thank you for the pro-active work you do

Dulce is a very interesting subject.
S&F for the well put together thread.

Thanks for putting this together for us. This is a very interesting topic, and sooner or later something has to come of it. Hopefully sooner!

S&F

reply to post by Norio Hayakawa


"Bishop asserted that Bennewitz was side tracked by an unofficial disinformation campaign to get him to look away from evidence of sensitive military projects going on in 1979 inside Kirtland Air Force Base in Albuquerque. However, Bishop surprised everyone when he said at the end that he is now beginning to doubt his initial doubt about Dulce and concluded that there could indeed be something there."
I just had a fairly long running debate with another member who claimed that Bishop's information and sources at AFOSI were credible evidence that there is nothing at Dulce. The member also disputed all claims of the deceased Phil Schneider because this has already been 'debunked' so to speak. Amazing that this should show up on the next day. The thread this was debated (if one can call it that) on was here www.abovetopsecret.com...
'Obviously', Phil Schneider used his massive injuries and then suicided himself by strangulation so that he could be paid by AFOSI to be part of a cover up! Yeah, that's logical--not! I am amazed by the persistance of some psuedo-skeptical mindsets seemingly more interested in 'being right' that finding answers, and I consider myself a skeptic (seeking the truth with an open mind).

Very good info. I want more! I would really like to see the aerial pics the inter dimensional proponent had. So many people with something to say, local law enforcement involved, and an unsolved mystery with tons of documentation. NICE!

Originally posted by iTruth
good job man, if i wasnt way down near las cruces i would have made the conference. i did however, watch the history channel airing the UFO Hunters episode.

Are there any dulce/ufo groups in albuquerque or rio rancho region?

I live in Las Cruces, and I indicated in another thread yesterday that I would be interested in going to Dulce and investigating. The only obstacle for me is that I believe some equipment to assist in verifying/documenting would be required, and that I do not wish to venture there alone.

Great Job. I believe you have done irreparable damage to one of our most clandestine projects that we, as a (people, govt., etc. NATION), have fought to keep secret for a long time. It relates to NBC activity of course, and we NEED this research. YES we abduct some cows, after open air tests and such, BECAUSE A COW HERD IS THE CLOSEST REPERESNTATION WE HAVE OF THE HUMAN RACE. It makes sense to clandestinely test like this.

Think about it- it explains ufo's, black helicopters, contrails, mutilations, black projects. On and on.

And who says we NEED alien tech? WE ARE SMART. Especially our military, who do an amazing job, and yes, they do play dirty sometimes.

The world we live in.

Bovine somatotropin is used in humans because it is silmiar in structure and nearly complete human groth hormone but is identical to human isulin groth factor 1 . somatotropin is recombinant dna they could be reasearching a super biological wepon that can stunt a population or be catabolic either that or they could be modifing this in a positive way like most endocrine studies of cows and tring to beef up humans like the myosatin gene that is found out of all mamals in cows the most myosatin is mad imagine having 3 times the muscle and no fat protein synthasis like a dinosaur. they could be using igf 1 to be growing human clones igf 1 is what you need to grow skin if you only want to grow skin for shape shifter who need bodies. cows are easily the best source for this as harvesting human dna is a bit more obvious.

The Dulce story is indeed interesting but it seems that if it were a super-secret military installation, there would be a lot more security around the place. On the recent episode of UFO hunters, they walked to the top of the plateau unhindered. If there was anything THAT important up there, they wouldn't have been allowed to do that. Interesting story but i think it's just that: a story. And OP, great work on the report.


TheAssociate

As organizer and moderator of this conference, Hayakwa several times alluded to an allegation that the government, beginning in the early 1970s and lasting till the early 1980s, may have conducted clandestine operations in the area involving experiments with bovine diseases, anthrax and other substances as part of biological warfare research.

Convenient way to get people to consider moving out of the area?


Star & Flag - thanks for posting - it's greatly appreciated.

It seems like a scary deal to me. (and look at MY username!)
So,....man is involved in same nasty a** testing, either with aliens
or with his own crazy idea. Man always ends up using the weapons he creates on himself sooner or later.
The only way this would even be excusable is if we were threatened with global annihilation! Which I guess we kinda are in MAD.(mutuallyassureddestruction)
Even then, there oughta be a good reson for it all. If it is for weapons testing, why not just tell us? It would be better than lies, coverups and deception! How are we supposed to take anything serious therefore?
Just asking! Is THAT still okay?

Originally posted by Norio Hayakawa
DULCE BASE CONFERENCE ENDS WITH MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS!!
-a full report:

Hello Norio, thanks for this interesting Dulce conference report and the link to Michael Salla’s report.

Originally posted by Norio Hayakawa
As an interesting side note, on Sunday morning when it was still dark outside, many guests at the Best Western Jicarilla Inn were awakened shortly before 6 a.m. by a thunderous roar of blades of helicopters above. Local residents nearby reported that there was a rare low flight of two military helicopters above Dulce.
In the afternoon session of the conference, two local residents also testified that they witnessed the military helicopters circling above Dulce and that they passed slowly above the hotel. They told Hayakawa that there are occasional appearances of military helicopters over the town but the flights were never as low as what they saw early Sunday morning.

Remarkable is it not, so why would military helicopters take the time to circling especially that Sunday morning when it was still dark outside and later in the afternoon above those particular parts of Dulce?
Just for the fun or was it to influence, impress or even frighten the conference guests?

Originally posted by Norio Hayakawa
Hayakawa stated that he tends to support a theory that the government may have purposefully created some 'convenient' cover stories (underground alien base concept) to conceal those clandestine activities and may even have staged a series of fake 'UFO-type' incidents in the area, utilizing high tech equipment such as holographic projection devices.

I really believe that it is just the opposite, that they use every means they have to there disposal to bring the (underground alien base concept) in discredit as well the (Alien presence) and let it all look like a total human affair.

Originally posted by Michael Salla
A number of locals then came forward to explain their experiences. A teacher at the Dulce Elementary School explained how UFOs and extraterrestrials featured prominently in the art and stories of children, especially those from the Jicaralla Apache reservation. The most startingly testimony came from a retired Dulce police officer named Gabe Julian. Julian explained how on one evening in the early 1980s he was dispatched to the house of a woman who claimed that small people with strange boxes emitting light were harrassing her. Initially skeptical of what his radio dispatcher told him, he drove over to the area and saw several UFOs taking off. He explained how his training had left him unprepared for what he had seen and how he felt powerless to do anything. His emotional distress was evident to all who attended and did clearly demonstrate that UFO and extraterrestrial activities feature regularly in the small community of Dulce.

Originally posted by Michael Salla
The one thing that clearly emerged from the conference was that strange military and UFO events at the Archuletta Mesa were indeed real and worth investigating.

Originally posted by Michael Salla
The underground extraterrestrial base hypothesis still remains as a plausible explanation for many who attended the first Dulce underground base conference.

Because of all I read and heard about it so far, the by Michael Salla presented testimonies above and many others as well, I go for the underground extraterrestrial/human base hypothesis.

THIS IS A GREAT TOPIC...I SAW THE MUFON SPECIAL ON DULCE AND IT WAS ALARMING TO SAY THE LEAST...IF YOU LOOK ON GOOGLE EARTH , THERE IS AN AIRPORT 9 MILES SE FROM DULCE....ITS IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERES....IT SAYS JACARILLA APACHE NATION AIRPORT ON GOOGLE EARTH....I WOULD CONCENTRATE A SEARCH NEAR THIS SECLUDED AIRPORT FOR UNDERGROUND BASES......WHY AN AIRPORT THERE ?? I INVESTIGATE FOR MUFON IN NEW JERSEY....WE HAVE JUST BEEN HIRED BY A BILLIONARE/INVESTOR FROM LAS VEGAS TO INVESTIGATE UNUSUAL SIGHTINGS AND EVENTS RELATING TO UFO'S AND ALIENS....THIS MAY BE A GOOD CASE....THANKS HEAVENS RANGER....
WWW.HEAVENSRANGERS.COM

you have not done enough research about DULCE

www.angelfire.com...

VERY interesting indeed.