Proposal to scan the driver licenses of bar patrons

when will it end?

these morons think that they are not successful unless they pass more laws. we have too many laws now. if they pass this orwellian nightmare; it won't be long before the insurance companies get access to the database; and, untold other agencies and institutions. micromanagement to the hilt. oh and then if you are out of state--it won't work--heaven forbid--we must now get all the states to coordinate.

when they try to sell me those discount cards at the book store, i tell em "no thanks, i don't want george bush to know what i'm readin." for that matter forget about the library! none of their business what i think, drink, eat or read! these people need to get a life!

uuuhh. any bartender, (who is liable by the way, for their customers driving after they leave the bar)who has to have a database to see if a customer may have been drinking before entering the establishment, would be almost as moronic as these jokers!

i have an idea, lets put the legislators under 24 hr internet surveillance and anytime they suggest something moronic that may be harmful to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness--we all vote on it; and if a majority sees fit..

then they must undergo moron therapy,
pay restitution for their sociopathic intentions,
and be forever registered in the public database of known moronic control freaks.

i mean these guys could be a real hazard to the public!

what did that colonial flag say? Don't Tread on Me!

Originally posted by xoxo stacie
Scanning the bar code on a drivers license can bring up ALL information the police have on you. While adding your name to a list of people at said bar; so that when they pull you over later they can get you for drinking easily.
Think about it.....

I'm against further uses of ID tagging as well, but you're a little misinformed here.

The bar code is merely a number which points to your file.
Your file is on a database elsewhere.

Basically, if bars were to use your bar code (sorry, just realized the irony of the name)... anyways, if bars were to use your bar code, they wouldn't be logging into the police archives to check on your criminal history... all they would have is a number which should point to your information on a database provided for the bars.


Id's codes typically follow basic patterns, beginning with a simple counter number and finishing quite often with your date of birth.
That number tells you nothing, other than your date of birth, and perhaps how old your ID is, that is, if you know how to read the code.

However, yes, access to government/police databases will allow you to punch in that code to look up anything they have on file on that particular person, on that particular database. But the police aren't about to open up their database to a bunch of bars... that would give literally EVERYONE access.



Now, most people can't naturally read bar codes. If you have an ID with a bar code, or a magnetic strip... guess whats encoded in that?
The old bar codes only contain your identification number, and your age (which is part of your identification number).
The 2D bar codes contain your identification number, your age, and your name.
The magnetic strips contain the same as the 2D bar codes.

That's not much information.
To get any REAL information on someone, you have to access a police database.


What the bars are proposing here can be done without access to the police database. I think some wires got crossed when people heard about the proposal. They can get your name and age directly from the magnetic strip and the 2D bar code.
Heck, I can get your name and age from it.


However, if they want to see a picture on file for you, THEN they will need a database set up.

But I seriously doubt the police would be willing to hand over their database to a bunch of bars. Hence, they'd set up a separate database for the bars.

[edit on 4-2-2009 by johnsky]

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yes the bar owners want to get rid of the private membership provisions by electronically checking the id. the governor wants more tourists.

both the bar owners and the Governor have reservations about this guy's idea.

"But the governor and bar owners have expressed concern toward a bill that Sen. John Valentine, R-Orem, is crafting. He would store the information in a central database that law enforcement could access for accident investigations or in the event of a traffic stop."

hmmm. store the information in a database that LEO can access. i think the other poster had it right about the casino cops. they could run queries on every drinker in the state against any other number of databases. so, forget your parking ticket, have a drink, and here comes johnny law. efficient law enforcement but a gross affront upon personal privacy. just another way to track people.

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I agree, don't get me wrong, I'm not in any way defending the system they want to impose. I'm just stating how it would work.

I did fail to put my own opinion of it in my post didn't I?



Okay then, my opinion is that the US is turning into a nanny state, a precursor to fascism.

The government is taking an active role in the personal lives of it's citizens... and anyone who reads their history books knows it never ends well when the government tries to babysit the people. It's called fascism.
... I liken it to your mother moving in with you, and telling you how you should run your own apartment. It can only end with hostility.

The governments job is intended to be simple. Collect funds, organize the defense of the country, and maintain infrastructure, emergency and social systems.


Basically, the PEOPLE alter the government... the government has no business trying to alter the people.

Make no mistake about it, prying into our social and private lives is an attempt at fascism... it may be a small step toward it, but it's a fundamental one never-the-less.

If they can tell you who you're supposed to be, how you're supposed to act, and what you're supposed to believe... they can quite simply do whatever they want and get away with it, because no ONE person would be willing to argue against a government that knows everything about you.

Originally posted by johnsky
reply to post by ogbert

 

I agree, don't get me wrong, I'm not in any way defending the system they want to impose. I'm just stating how it would work.

I did fail to put my own opinion of it in my post didn't I?

yeah, i agree with how you say it would be implemented. i was trying to emphasize where my previous post was directed... and that was to the idea of a separate database.


and i agree with you on the facism bit. all the rods tied together for one specific purpose. the ideal of the state. as bush put it " your either with us, or against us"

and as the state becomes more and more politically correct; who knows how many casual drinkers may refrain from attending bars, knowing that the state is keeping tabs on them? Hitler was a big advocate of being tobacco free; however, i don't think anyone will ever get the germans to give up beer! prohibition did not work here, but drinking is becoming more and more politically incorrect. and now they want a database! scary.

You know when I think Drinking... I think Utah

I was just sitting here, right now, saying to myself... wouldn't it be great if I could have a drink in Utah



While i'm at it... I'm off to Singapore for some weed.