Windows XP: End Cyberwar, Open the Code Now!

...At this point in history, America has been the main tool for injecting the global populace with technology. I work every day with people who are suffering from virus issues on their Microsoft PC, so I know what I am talking about. Bring any PC banter to this thread, and I am ready to hear you out.

Now, in history, some people are getting computers for the first time. Others, with this global recession, have lost their chance to have a PC, maybe for 20 years or so. There is a contraction underway, and all tech manufacturers are responding.


Also, there is a major cyberwar which is taking shape. Cyberwar works with any PC connected to the internet. If you PC has been slowing down, perhaps half of its processing power is being used in concert with 999 other similarly infected PCs and being used all together to perform a denial of service attack. Yes that's right, your stupid ol' PC which you use to go to youtube and Pogo games or whatever, is a much more effective tool, in the hands of the virus writers and the 'virus-kiddies' who are simply me-too wannabes who are part of a network of people who simply downoad the tools and work to infect people's PCs with the virus.

These 'revolutionaries' get their tools the same way other revoltuionaries get their AK-47s. Just like during the recent Georgian ground war, there was a cyber attack, and also sites where participant could download tools to participate. This is known to persons in my field of work.


Now here is what needs to happen by q1 of 2009: Windows XP must not go away. Not only must it stay, but the code must be fully thrown wide open. All M$ code must be revealed to the coders of the world.

XP has emerged from the rock-solid Windows NT (which meant "New Technology"), and this represents the glory days of M$ which will never be seen again. Next on the horizon, is chaos, and Vista. While the Windows 2000 versus NT era was at M$, they produced a great product together: Windows XP. It took them 20 years to really get a PC OS right, and this is the result, for better or worse.


What the world has, in NT/XP, is a field tested OS which is the best option for communication, at this criitcal time on Earth.

Do you see Bill Gates opening his code, as he bails out on the world? No, he is hiding in his seed vault while Monsanto sows the terminator seed all over your planet.

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...Now XP has been beaten on for years, and whatever bugs it was gonna give up, have mostly been found and sold secretly back to Microsoft or other third parties (for big dollars), or exposed to the world, and had patches applied by M$.

Why would you allow M$ to trick you all into believing that you need a whole new OS like Vista? No, we must not lose XP in the next few years. Better to simply seize Microsoft outright and force the code open. In this way, XP will become like street-level linux where eveyone can see the guts and therefore make it even safer. Secrecy serves Microsoft and the hackers who find the bugs, then sell them. You better believe there are exploits out there which Microsoft knows about but which they haven't released because it was 'backdoor' sold back to them. This gives them tremendous power when they release a buggy proprietary OS then have the exploits sold back to them. What do they then do with the exploit which some industrious hacker exposed? Do they reveal their own buffoonery to the world? Of course not, unless they HAVE to. In other cases, they just take internal action. Opening the code would end all the questions, and would allow open-coders to make XP even more secure and ubiquitous. XP is now being fully devalued by M$ so why not steal it from them since they want to scuttle it?!

Heck if you want to get crazy with it, merge PGP and XP to create a truly virus-proof and secure personal PC.. But what I am saying here is giving enough rich folks heart murmurs so I'll give them a break, LOL

Opening the XP code would change the world, literally. Americans should get something for their tax dollars. Why not a safer PC which is more resistant to viruses? Seize XP, open it to the coders of the world, and this is what you will have.

It's all about money, Bill Gates got what he has out of working that way... If they reveal all the codes, how do you expect microsoft to make the money thye make? Donations?

hehe That won't happen my friend.

Sounds like a plan. But what's in it for Microsoft?

Why not go with Linux, it's fully open source. Or wait for Windows Seven.

If you make the code open source, wont that kinda make it easier for hackers to create virus's that target xp puters more effectively? They would be able to see every hole and take advantage of it.

That is, if the code is not out there already, which I bet it is some where.

The reason why vista was introduced in the first place was because the landscape of technology we are using has grown. Prior to Windows Xp you might remember the bastard step son of Microsoft called Windows ME. This is what Vista is to Windows 7.

Inorder to progress to ideas such as touch screen technology and the up and coming solid state memory the software needed to change. While yes for the time being the change does suck so did the gap between NT and Xp.

Working in the computer repair field i can honeslty understand why us computer sabby hate Vista but for your average user who is to stupid to realize www.freeporn.com is going to give them a virus or adware it is a blessing.

While Vista does suck it is simply a bridge that will enable better things down the road. Making Xp open source might make sense to you and me but for Jon and Jane Smith it will only cause more problems. Nine out of 10 computers i work on each day are infected with virus's and spyware. I do not feel the least bit upset for the owners because 9 out of 10 of them do not even have proper Security Software on there pc.

Everyone says Linux and Apple platforms are much more secure than Windows. This is untrue. They are just not as main stream therefor why would someone want to write a virus for an o/s that takes up 5% of the worlds population when you could write one for an o/s that 95% of the population has.

Bototm line is Xp has lived it's life and inorder to move ahead with hardware technology the platform needed to be changed.


(Geek Fight!)

Originally posted by styxxz
Sounds like a plan. But what's in it for Microsoft?

Why not go with Linux, it's fully open source. Or wait for Windows Seven.

Nothing, Microsoft is useless now. They are irrelevant, and trying to convince you that you need them. No, the code is already written, they are just trying to hold the world hostage through planned-obsolesence. But this concept when applied to PC tech, is truly evil, because a good OS DOES NOT BECOME OBSOLETE unless the Elites want it to be obsolete.

...For you to understand what I have said, you would have to actually know how a PC works. If you are saying "Wait for Windows 7" you have not comprehended what I have said. That is not the answer, because M$ has to make their stupid shareholders happy (who also know nothing about computers) and so they are doomed to deliver you crap henceforth. Pleasing their shareholders means being stupid, unfortunately. Americans need Windows XP to be free, they do not need Microsoft.

If you are saying: "What about Microsoft?", you are not getting what I have said. Any Randian Objectivists who say that M$ deserves it's billions, can explain that idea to the MILLIONS of people worldwide who don't even HAVE a PC yet.

Microsoft says they intend to scuttle XP. That's the signal for Earth's citizens to simply seize Microsoft. I am saying that it would be appropriate for any concerned Americans, to march on Redmond, and demand, with pitchforks and torches, that XP be opened to the world.

As for "Why not UNIX?" ...That's stupid. Please don't make explain why UNIX is unsuitable compared to an open-source-XP framework like what would happen in my scenario. Linux is too clumsy, cobbled together and antiquated whereas if XP was released in the wild, it would be made even more secure than what it already is (which is decent if not good). XP would become super-linux, if it were turned open-source.

If you love Microsoft more than XP, you are fools. If you love Windows next OS more than XP, you are fools. Micosoft has known about viruses for years, but now that your machines are gettin' eaten by viruses, you are hapy to have vista? Talk about being set up for failure!

I deal with people every day who are pawns in the cyberwar. Vista is far more conducive to infection, and hackers love Vista (as does the MPAA) and also products from other Microsoft-buddy-companies like Norton, Mcafee, etc, are simply snake oil, and will not prevent cyber-wars and internet policing.

Cyberwar will mean full policing of the internet. If you do not seize the tools of the internet, then the Internet will be the tool which seizes you.

If you want computers to be free and secure, you'll listen to me. See, I don't have to march on Redmond because I am a master of tech, so I am on another level than the common man (whom I help every day) so for me, survival in the electronic world is easy and I'll always be able to flow with XP or Unix ir whatever. But for the masses, forget it. They're being funnelled toward Vista and whatever P.O.S. Micorsoft releases next.

No, making it open source won't embolden viruses because then all the flaws in XP will be laid bare (many are already known and or patched) ...All the virus writers in europe can't wait to get their hands on whatever abortion Microsoft rushes to market next. XP on the other hand has been field tested for years. ...Tell me again why XP must go away? Why are you letting them tell you that?


If any of you have questions about what I am saying, now's the time to ask them.


[edit on 16-11-2008 by smallpeeps]

I can see your argument that the best o/s would be one that could be tailored to new technology but common is Microsoft going to do that? We all know it's a money making scheme. Your right it is all about moneyand Micrsoft could build a kernal off of XP but for their pockets it makes more sense to release a new O/S.




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Originally posted by R3KR
If you make the code open source, wont that kinda make it easier for hackers to create virus's that target xp puters more effectively? They would be able to see every hole and take advantage of it.

No, the idea is that opening it would allow the holes to be seen, and the whole OS to become even harder to crack. If the code were open, we could tighten all the screws.

Originally posted by lightinthedark33
The reason why vista was introduced in the first place was because the landscape of technology we are using has grown. Prior to Windows Xp you might remember the bastard step son of Microsoft called Windows ME. This is what Vista is to Windows 7.

WTF are you talking about? I just described that I do know the whole of Microsoft's products. Comparing ME to Vista is absurd. One was a stop-gap (ME), the other (Vista) is a planned-obsolesence experiement foisted on the American people.

Inorder to progress to ideas such as touch screen technology and the up and coming solid state memory the software needed to change. While yes for the time being the change does suck so did the gap between NT and Xp.

That's stupid. People don't need touchscreens.

Working in the computer repair field i can honeslty understand why us computer sabby hate Vista but for your average user who is to stupid to realize www.freeporn.com is going to give them a virus or adware it is a blessing.

Yeah, Vista is a blessing. For virus writers.

While Vista does suck it is simply a bridge that will enable better things down the road. Making Xp open source might make sense to you and me but for Jon and Jane Smith it will only cause more problems. Nine out of 10 computers i work on each day are infected with virus's and spyware. I do not feel the least bit upset for the owners because 9 out of 10 of them do not even have proper Security Software on there pc.

You ae a poor tech if you don't see the bigger picture. I work with dozens of people like you who think they know, but cannot see the larger picture. When I talk to them, they STFU because they got nothing to come back against truth with.

Do you think it's an accident that you are cleaning so many viruses off PCs? Really, set your "knowledge" aside for a second and take a look at the bigger picture.

Tech people tend to like to be cool and "with it" and they like to have the "latest crap". I'm not like that. I recognize when something old needs to be preserved. I challenge you to tell me way in which XP is superior to Vista, and I will simply come back with the fact that XP is FIELD TESTED.

Bototm line is Xp has lived it's life and inorder to move ahead with hardware technology the platform needed to be changed.

You are so wrong, but here you have a chance to learn. Respond please, so I may teach you.

Has anyone ever connected Obama and other politicians dumbness, and Microsoft's dumbness? It's like they are mystified by certain things like computer viruses. How funny it is that they are all so similarly dumb --including the techs!

Every client I am supporting now want more speed. They are sick of waiting for photoshop to open, or sick of waiting for after effects to load a saved project. Every client I work with wants one thing SPEED.

You do not get speed by bloating the OS with fancy pop ups, and tons of useless programs to manage other useless programs and services.

IF microsuck had any brains, they would release a barebone, stripped, basic OS that was fast as hell. This would make all the difference in the world.

I am also sick of the new bogus fluff bunnies that come with vista, not needed, A computer is on thing, A TOOL, nothing more. Make it as fast and efficient as possible, PERIOD.

Originally posted by R3KR
IF microsuck had any brains, they would release a barebone, stripped, basic OS that was fast as hell. This would make all the difference in the world.

I am also sick of the new bogus fluff bunnies that come with vista, not needed, A computer is on thing, A TOOL, nothing more. Make it as fast and efficient as possible, PERIOD.

You are so right, and when Vista came out, that should have been an immediate signal that all is not well. Even as I work with it now, it is clearly an inferior product to NT, 2000 and XP. All these were steps forward, Vista is not a step forward, its more like faling flat on your back from a standing position.

As you must know, M$ has ALL THE POWER to release a simple XP based super-fast OS which would be quickly made bullet-proof with built in virus detection. This would be CHILDS PLAY FOR THEM.

M$ always gets blindsided by things like "The Internet" and "Viruses" ...How stupid are they really? Well they aren't stupid. They write decent code although it took them forever to get it right with XP. For them to now send XP to Davy Jones' locker, is unconscionable.

I am fairly certain you all like the Internet, so please understand that more viruses means more internet policing, means less freedom, means Internet Mark II "To protect us from Viruses!" ...But you wouldn't have need of that future proclamation and new internet if we could just release the tools we have now.

Can you see that something great and resiliant like XP is now the enemy of Microsoft? They must give you the newest model because the market says the old one's lame now... This may work with cars, but not with OS's which take years to develop, internally test --let alone to field test for years.

XP going away is like night falling on the whole tech world. I guess it's just part of what's happening, but I'm not gonna let it go, and neither should you. If we want real solutions, then what I am saying could be done with little or no loss of life, and it would force free and useable tech into the hands of billions of people. Boo hoo if M$ and their shareholders lose money. This won't kill them.

Peeps! Whaddap?

Good thread. Starred and flagged.

I'm going to play the fairly ignorant user-level chump here and I'll do it with experience and aplomb! Hilarious, eh?

I've been a user, myself, since Windows 95 was new stuff....I didn't own it, or a computer, but, my brothers had computers and I'd jump on and play games and write in early Word.
Then, 98 came out and 95 got cheap and lots of people got it.

Then 2000 emerged and we saw an explosion of 98 users.

Etc, etc. The pattern continues, of course, but, this time I see a deviation in the road. Vista has been introduced and instead of patches and fixes continuing to be released all these years later for XP...Like 2000 and ME and NT (Which I still get updates for on my other household computers), XP is being cut off. No more updates past a certain, pre-ordained date.

I have, in my use still, 2(two) 95 machines with bumped up memory and running XP. I have a 98 machine with bumped up memory running 2000, about to be rehashed, scrubbed clean and updated with XP as well.
The machine I use at the moment is actually my first, newly bought computer and it came with XP Pro.
Of all the OS' I've used, XP is sweet. East to navigate, store, find and access/lock folders, applications and programs. I really adore it. And they are yanking it out from under us. THAT is my issue. I like it and they're smoking it.
Now, I have to say, on all the machines that go on the internet that I actually surf with, only one has a legal copy of the Windows OS and that's the one I use. I don't get updates on the other ones. I just loaded up ZoneAlarm, AVG, AdAware, Abexo Registry cleaner and SPY-bot on them and I don't bother with the patches and fixes that XP needs.

So, after all that background, I'll get to an on-topic point.

Does it matter, to me, a simple user, if the code is released and the OS opened up? I use ZoneAlarm to pretty good results, AVG keeps me covered on Viruses and the AdAware and SpyBot cover me on the adware and trackers.
What would storming Microsoft really provide me with?

Legitimate question.
Cuhail

Originally posted by Cuhail
Does it matter, to me, a simple user, if the code is released and the OS opened up? I use ZoneAlarm to pretty good results, AVG keeps me covered on Viruses and the AdAware and SpyBot cover me on the adware and trackers.

What would storming Microsoft really provide me with?

Nice reply Cuhail, just the kind of input I'm wanting here.


The answer to your question is this: ZoneAlarm, AVG, SpyBot are all the best tools, along with some others, and the situation in your case, is fine. If we were to compare the "cyber-war" to a real war, then you'd be the militia man who has his own rifle, and shotgun, and pistol. You are ready to use them, and to defend your PC.

You know what you're doing, so just keep at it and share that knwoledge with your friends/family. But any brand (like Zonealarm) does have it crappy releases, so being slim and lightweight is important. Spybot is great, for now. The little guys make the best antivirus tools these days.

Defending your PC individually is the only way for your data (or for the internet as we know it for that matter) to survive the cyberwar. with the weapons you've learned to use, you are prepared. ...but what about the majority of people on Earth, who must surely also join us in this leap forward? Why shall we not give them XP at least? ...If Microsoft had any brains, they'd see what I am saying as a win-win, because the goodwill would totally outweight any diss Vista might experience.

Americans should, before Q1 of 2009, do two thngs:

1: Seize Microsoft by force
2: Open the XP code to the world, by force, then making it fully and completely open source.
3: Begin national/global PC awarness initiative

Doing both things would alter the world as we know it, because the whole world would then have the ultimate tools for knowledge at their fingertips. Also this would allow the OS to be merged with good anti-virus tools which are FREE like Spybot and SAS, and others.

I am talking about a totally bloodless coup against any NWO, simply by enabling everyone on earth to have a PC, with a reliable and field tested OS on it, and which can be loaded on a kalidescope of machines of all types and configurations (XP will run on 128 meg of memory --chips which are almost worthless now).

With all the people who are going to want blood, because of all the mortgages which American's didn't pay, and the credit derivatives we 'tricked' them into buying, we could maybe offer them all windows XP, as a gesture/bribe of goodwill? But would Microsoft take one for the team, if that "team" was the American people?

Originally posted by smallpeeps
Microsoft says they intend to scuttle XP. That's the signal for Earth's citizens to simply seize Microsoft. I am saying that it would be appropriate for any concerned Americans, to march on Redmond, and demand, with pitchforks and torches, that XP be opened to the world.

MS is not obliged (legally or morally) to give away their work. Doing so would clearly hurt their business. What you suggest is akin to stealing.

As for "Why not UNIX?" ...That's stupid. Please don't make explain why UNIX is unsuitable compared to an open-source-XP framework like what would happen in my scenario. Linux is too clumsy, cobbled together and antiquated whereas if XP was released in the wild, it would be made even more secure than what it already is (which is decent if not good). XP would become super-linux, if it were turned open-source.

You do realize XP is also cobbled together and antiquated. XP = NT/2K + (some)Win9X APIs.
Linux might not be quite ready yet, but they are getting there. Just look at the netbook scene, Linux does the job very well. Yes XP works on them too but at a price.

I agree with R3KR

Originally posted by R3KR
IF microsuck had any brains, they would release a barebone, stripped, basic OS that was fast as hell. This would make all the difference in the world.

Apparently that's(more or less) what Win7 will be like.

IMHO, they'd be better off doing away with backwards compatibility.
Apple has shown the way in that area. Look how OS X has evolved. More features and better performance with each new version. But with minimal backwards compatibility you need to replace your old software.
That's the trade off and you don't hear too many Apple fan boys complain

On XP Pro Service Pack 1 togeather with Sygate Free firewall, spybot and spyware blaster thats all I need.

Had no antivirus softeware for the last 4 years and never had a virus.


Xp definatly rocks, easy to use and to configure to get your pc secure.


Am right out there on your side Smallpeeps

Originally posted by smallpeeps
(as does the MPAA)

Thanks for the information smallpeeps, I had no idea it had gotten this bad.

Your whole post fits in with what I've been thinking about ever since I watched Zeitgeist 2. Are intellectual property rights actually benefiting society as a whole? You gave us good examples of why WinXP would better benefit society if it was open source.

Apparently Gates does not believe in inheritance and other transfer of wealth, maybe he could actually be reasoned with to make WinXp open-source. However since he owns a bit less than a quarter of MSFT stocks he might not have the power to do this on his own. (I'm assuming, of course that giving away its cash cow would bankrupt the company)

Originally posted by styxxz
What you suggest is akin to stealing.

I think it's pretty obvious that the OP is fully aware of that.


[edit on 16/11/08 by ConspiracyNut23]

Originally posted by styxxz
MS is not obliged (legally or morally) to give away their work. Doing so would clearly hurt their business. What you suggest is akin to stealing.

Not "akin" to stealing. It IS stealing, and with relish. ...But please cry me your crocodile tears for Microsoft as I try to keep typing through my upwellings of laughter at your position. Poor, poor Microsoft! Boo hoo hoo! ...Yes, please go on about how sad everyone on Earth would be if this happened? hahaha

You do realize XP is also cobbled together and antiquated. XP = NT/2K + (some)Win9X APIs.

At the time of development, there was the 2000 team versus the NT team, so you are wrong. It was a competition within Microsoft and NT won because of many reasons. XP is NT, not 2000, and not 95. Do your homework. ...NT has supported business for years, and even now M$ is so befuddled that the world is still running Windows Server 2003 for the most part --That is because all their new stuff is mostly CRAP!

NT was awesome, and XP, the son of NT, was the best of both worlds.

UNIX is not an option because it will never be user friendly like the DOS subsystem and explorer.exe threading model. XP has proundly powerful tech inside it if this egg were ever cracked open and given to the people. ...How hard would it be to put a sword through Microsoft's chest and take it from them, since they are just going to debase it and throw it away? They are killing the only item would could immediately provide true open source and security to the world, Windows XP.

IMHO, they'd be better off doing away with backwards compatibility.
Apple has shown the way in that area. Look how OS X has evolved. More features and better performance with each new version. But with minimal backwards compatibility you need to replace your old software.
That's the trade off and you don't hear too many Apple fan boys complain

This whole model of having the people pay for technology through generational planned obsolescence, will destroy any innovation or any idea of a robust, free OS which delivers everything people need. You are an elitist if you can't see that UNIX is unsuitable for the average person. ...Also, UNIX providers like SCO, RedHat and Apache are FULLY COMPROMISED and there are many, many zero-day exploits out there for all the major hacks of UNIX. This is known. At least with XP it could be thrown open all at once so that the coders and the exploiters could both have equal advatage... With UNIX, many of the best exploits are unknown, except to the people in power (or truly skilled hackers who seek and covet such exploits)

Apple is the friendly face of fascism. Mac users would be happy to walk with a crutch if it were properly sequined and slickly designed. Technology like what Mac promotes, is the end of humanity. Screw OS X because are you telling me Mac users are going to learn Unix? ...No, they'll be too busy being sucked into their Iphone. Apple is the path of the fascist rich jerks, not the peole who want to share usable computers with the world.


Aaaaand as for Microsoft and their latest tech, Common Data Storage, you can read on my tinWiki page how well that is going --THE WORLD BANK SERVERS are totally and fully compromised as of 60 days ago at least. Click my tinWiki page and click the link "World Bank Hacked" ...Now you tellin me these idiots at Microsoft are helping us?

For true security, we need a good open source OS, and we need global collaboration and education as to how hacking/viruses/computers works. I am talking about schooolkids being taught the concepts of PCs and networks with a free open-source XP in their hands. The world would change if we could just sink these ships of software like M$, Norton, etc who are walking everyone down a road of poor decision and bad product.


Also please do not get me started about the planned obsolescence idea in relation to the endless treadmill of M$'s education/certification program --WHAT A RACKET!!! I knew when I took my first MCSE that I'd never take another because they are planning to tell you "Sorry! New stuff to learn!" every freaking year, just to maintain your certs and their pocketbooks!! ...ITS ALL A LIE because the hackers make more and they don't have MCSE, lol!

When will Microsoft offer certs as a Microsoft Certified Reverse-Engineer? MCRE? That'd be a hugely popular course, lol.


[edit on 16-11-2008 by smallpeeps]

Sounds to me like people who don't like Vista simply don't have a computer powerful enough to run it. I hated Vista when I used it on three different laptops, which were quickly changed to XP. It wasn't a downgrade or an upgrade--the computers were just not powerful enough to run it well.

We are in a technological twilight right now because of the release of Vista. Like someone said before, it is stepping stone to Windows 7, the true successor to XP. Right now, people are trying to run Vista on computers that really should not be running Vista, even if they're "Vista Certified". Because of that you get these people saying Vista sucks.

Well, no...your hardware sucks. And for that matter so does your subscription security software. And that you don't defragment EVER. And that you don't clean your air vents every now and then. Etc, etc, etc....

Basically what I'm saying is, like some have said before, Vista and 7 are necessary advancements because the hardware out there is advancing. I can't run XP on my computer because my computer too advanced (over 4GB of memory and not willing to run XP x64). BUT--Vista runs beautifully and with as many or less flaws than XP on my computer because I have the hardware suited for it.

BUUUUUT---I like the idea of an open-source XP. It would give those with too much time on their hands something to do. And why not? I mean, M$ won't be making any money from XP after it's decommissioned.

BUUUUUT---I believe 7 will be able to run on less up-to-date hardware as well as XP. You'll see

[edit on 11/16/2008 by iceofspades]

Originally posted by iceofspades
We are in a technological twilight right now because of the release of Vista. Like someone said before, it is stepping stone to Windows 7, the true successor to XP. Right now, people are trying to run Vista on computers that really should not be running Vista, even if they're "Vista Certified". Because of that you get these people saying Vista sucks.

Well, no...your hardware sucks. And for that matter so does your subscription security software. And that you don't defragment EVER. And that you don't clean your air vents every now and then. Etc, etc, etc....

Your phrasing here is similar to the usual stuff I hear from pro-Vista people. Tell us more about your experience with it if you like.

But you are making my point for me, in that so-called NECESSARY "advancement of tech" which Vista claims to represent, is all a bunch of LIES. as RK3R said a few posts above yours: "I am also sick of the new bogus fluff bunnies that come with vista, not needed, A computer is on thing, A TOOL, nothing more. Make it as fast and efficient as possible, PERIOD."

So in light of this, you are still going to promote the idea that Vista is anything other than a giant leap backward? Did someone just suddenly realize that poor people cannot upgrade their Alienware box? No, Vista is a killing of the street-level computer users. It is criminally fraudulent for M$ to suggest that we need a gig of memory to have a computer! Screw them outright!

BUUUUUT---I like the idea of an open-source XP. It would give those with too much time on their hands something to do. And why not? I mean, M$ won't be making any money from XP after it's decommissioned.

You are right, of course.

BUUUUUT---I believe 7 will be able to run on less up-to-date hardware as well as XP. You'll see

Hello Steve Balmer, is that you? ..Just kidding... Seriously, I will never, eve be impressed with either Apple or M$ anymore because they lack any feeling for the humans on Earth who have not yet broached the idea of computers or how a mouse works. These companies hate humanity, because they will exist as soulless whores of the GDP and waste and planned destruction of perfectly good resources.

Windows 7 being lightweight and suddenly they've recaptured the glory of XP? Yeah right. They'vev just got finished trying to create a Mac type OS and they told everyone to just go upgrade. That disqualifies them from any usefulness to humanity, right there. Whatever they create next will be similar reactive rather than pro-active.

I predict you will see more class action lawsuits against M$ due to data loss and computer viruses anyway, so maybe XP could be won by the people's of Earth but in open court? I will assist the prosecuting attorney. Someone get EFF lawyers on the horn ASAP.

Microsoft has lots of corporate lawyers stacked like retained-cordwood to defend them from their own incompetence and feigned ignorance of the vulnerabilities of their products. They've been on the run for years in this regard. Lawsuits will affect stock prices, and more and more people are gettin' viruses tho' M$ claims to be dumb about that. BTW LiveOneCare is similarly fraudulent and useless, and I am prepared to speak on this in detail if needed.


TRUTH: Viruses are more profitable in the final analysis, than any OS ever made. Viruses are open source and freely distributed. The only way to fight the huge rise in viruses on the horizon (many of which are created by skilled programers outside the US who've been denied access to tech and crypto) is to completely enable all humans to own a secure OS which is multinational and decentralized. Open source XP combined with free crypto would alter the power structure of tomorrow's world.

XP SP 2 - Norton internet security and anti vir (heavy but good set in set up to ask before any application attempts to connect to internet - Bloodhound Heuristics on full.)

On an 8 yr old Skyscraper type comp with only 128 ram
lol.... smooth and fine

To sort out those slow problems all the useless fluffs:
- manage computer - performance- adjust for best performance.
Glary Utilities (Free opensource) sorts out reg and such like.
Set up computer as want Copy entire drives to DVD/CD and turn off System restore.

Partition drive upon install to 2 drives, operating system on C Office on C Norton on C
EVERTHING else on D drive, so can quickly erase new programs, or watch for virus etc.

Sweet, always on no problems, just slow to start up fresh, and also Photoshop etc but that is just processor and RAM.

1 virus in last 3yrs since set up from Messenger and accepting a file.
some hack attempts but set norton to ban all intrusion attempts from such IP's for 4 weeks.

Run Free lavasoft adaware about once a week .

If a Bad program I use Glary Utilities Wipe Info on entire drive DOD tracks eraser.
use copy of D: I have on DVD or Same for C if needed.

Max 3 hours to have PC back as it was.

Sweet as said.

Who would want to pay for something else?

I dont really understand any really technical stuff on computers can hardly use BB code still lol, but this works for me as soo many crashes and virus's when trying other things before.

I have no idea at all about networking or the net or any technical knowledge, and I think thats what most people want
simple, easy, quick and no bells and whistles.

Anyhow I listened the other night to a documentary on what you are talking about Smallpeeps denial of service attacks, as trying to learn about these things...

How vulnerable is the UK to a cyber attack?
This week's programme investigates the cyber terrorists - the underground networks which try to attack governments and national infrastructures around the world. Last week the UK's cyber-defence chief warned that sustained cyber-espionage attacks are being waged in the UK to steal information or uncover weaknesses that could take down companies supporting our national infrastructure. We speak to the experts to find out just how easy it is to carry out an attack, and how much the Government's doing to protect us.

Donald Mcintre on radio 5 Here

Dont know if still available maybe a trawl through BBC listen again will find it or I player, however on there was a guy who went into a chat room and set up a sting where some guys from Eastern Europe were selling BotNecks for $50 that would they said take down a sever totally for the rental period... very worrying soo cheap, I never knew you could hire these things like Avis lol...

Kind regards,

LuditeElf

Originally posted by iceofspades
Sounds to me like people who don't like Vista simply don't have a computer powerful enough to run it. I hated Vista when I used it on three different laptops, which were quickly changed to XP. It wasn't a downgrade or an upgrade--the computers were just not powerful enough to run it well.

That's the experience I have with my home network. I have taken a couple of computers back to XP. Only issue I had was laptop touch pad worked better with Vista drivers, but it still is functional under XP.

My youngest son has Vista running on his home network. Has several gaming computers built for speed and Vista works very well for him. His work laptop is loaded with Vista and no problems. He's told me more than once I should try Vista. I remind him there was IBM DOS once also.

I'm not a linux fan, I really hated Windows 95 going to 98, then I found Windows 98 was a dream come true. XP is nothing more than an updated 98 and I am happy with my 5 dinosaurs running it here at home.

As for open source, buy the company or at least 51% of it and open away. Until then, it is a company secret. As for doing anything, there was a court case in Europe over this very issue. You can start with the link I provided and then find out the ultimate outcome.