Untersberg - The Mystery Mountain

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"We need to stick to the facts"
Search operation between reality and mysticism

I was about halfway through translating it, and than accidently hit the refresh button... 5:43 AM here now, I'll re-try tomorrow.

In a nutshell, it deals about that a man (an electrician named Herrmann Forster) has gone missing with his wife Maria and her friend Monika Köhn. The police investigated the case, and in his appartment they found documents concerning the matter of time-jumps in this area. At the moment the article was written, the police wasn't sure if he wanted to actually do a time-jump, or just visit the places that can be found in various publications.

The police makes it clear that they "need to stick to the facts" (which is the headline of the article), and have to banish the posibillity of a time-jump to pure mysticism, but yet follow every vague hint, which makes it really tough to draw the line between reality and mysticism.

The article further mentions that the Untersberg and the time-jump experiments assume to happened there were also mentioned in some of Erich von Dänikens books. These deal with a phonemenom, that people stay on the same place for several days, but to them it feels like only a few minutes. Last important thing is that the police consider the case to be non-criminal and that the time-jump documents they found in the man's appartment are the only suspicious things in the life of the three missing people. They mention a piece of clothing they found outside a cave in a bush, which they state could belong to Monika Köhn.

A large nutshell... Not a word-by-word translation, but the above includes everything important, imho.

If anyone has any more information about the story behind this mysterious mountain, please email me at erniemusic2 (at) yahoo.com

If anyone's thinking of going there, contact thes guys. Sounds like they know what they're doing around that area's cave systems.

there:www.kuleuven.ac.be...

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Yes I can sympathise with this. I tried to do just that earlier today.....only to find I was verbotten for the same reason. But the upside of that process is that it gives a greater degree of certainty as to the representation of any one writer on the forum. "sigh" !

This thread is really amazing. What if the Untersberg is the missing link to solve this great puzzle? So many interesting posts here. Everyone giving their part/piece...
Well i would not go down there LOL. Maby it would be like opening the Pandoras box ???
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Could it be one of the entrances proposed by the Hollow Earth Theory?

That's a good point ref.to Newton or ?

Based on Newton's law of gravity, if the Earth was hollow and of uniform density you would weigh less and less as you moved down a mine shaft or elevator. In fact, you would be weightless anywhere "inside" the Earth, not just at the center. In practice, however, weight will actually increase as you descend. Why? Because the Earth's core is more dense than its rocky crust. Your weight increases as you get closer to the dense core with more mass. 1

Even in the model where the Earth has a dense central sun to explain the above observation, inner earthlings would be pulled to the center, not to the shell surface. An inner earth person's"down" couldn't be your "up".
xenophilia Hollow earth
xenophilia the hollow earth image

extract from same source as the above :

Then again, perhaps the US Navy Admiral did find something. According to projectparanormal.com, "On February 19, 1947, Admiral Richard E. Byrd left Base Camp Artic and flew northward." The site claims that when Byrd returned to Washington, on March 11, 1947, he was interviewed by top security forces and a medical team and was then ordered to remain silent."

"I'd like to see that land beyond the (North) Pole. That area beyond the Pole is the Center of the Great Unknown:"
Richard Evelyn Byrd

“I was stationed at Area 51 from January 1971 to 1982, and in that time visited the hollow interior of the Earth six times, 800 miles deep. There are many tunnels below Area 51. I met several shuttle operators who are 13 to 14 feet tall and have existed there for a very long time. The first 15 levels of Area 51 were man-made, levels 16 to 27 were already there. My father had been stationed at Roswell. There were 150, 000 personnel at this facility, about 85 percent military and 15 percent civilian. After going underground, I did not see the light of day for 11. 5 years.
TRAVELER TO THE INTERIOR OF THE HOLLOW EARTH

Hollow earth theory

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[edit on 27-8-2008 by flymetothemoon]

I really love this thread.
Makes me want to go there so bad!!!!

As a long time lurker, about 4 years now, this thread finally got me to sign up.
This has to be one of the most interesting topics I have seen on any forum.

I would imagine that the ancients around the world had many places that where of major importance to them. what I have always found pretty interesting is that there are often many similarities in fables tales legends etc. not to mention actual structures.
I would say that in my opposition there had to have been some sort of common theme maybe entity that linked various cultures. Many cultures seem to have don't the same sorts of things at similar times, or similar legends have cropped up from places that are vastly separated geographically. whether it be ancient Chinese legends that bear a striking resemblance to a German legend or the fact that there are pyramids on different continents. It seems to me that these sorts of things are rather unlikely to be just some sort of coincidence.

I will be keeping a close eye on this thread.

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9. The Gods, The Ancients and Untersberg

Den ältesten bekannten germanischen Sagen nach, wartet seit "Äonen" tief drin im verzauberten Wotansberg in einem unterirdischen Dom aus Gold, Silber und Edelsteinen Wotan oder Odin, der höchste Gott des germanischen Göttergeschlechtes der Äsen, mit seinem "Wilden Heer" auf seine Wiederkehr auf Erden. Der Gott und sein "Wildes Heer" verharren so lange in einem tiefen "Schlaf, bis die beiden Götterraben Hugin und Munin (Gedanke und Gedächtnis) nicht mehr "um den Wotansberg kreisen" und "die Not der Menschen groß ist". Erst nach der zumeist gewaltsamen "Christianisierung" der Germanen ersetzt an Wotan-Odin durch den Frankenkaiser Karl den Großen, auch "der Sachsenschlächter" genannt.

In ancient germanic mythology the Untersberg was called "Wotans Mountain", named after the "God" Wotan. According to ancient text, there is a subterranean Temple made of Gold, Silver and Diamonds waiting for the return of Wotan (another name: Odin) and his army back to earth It is said that Wotan and his people are in a deep long sleep and will only return when "thought and memory no longer circle around the Wotansmountain" or when humanity is in great suffering".

These were the stories told about Untersberg before the area was christianized.

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Continued from No.9


The Untersberg has also been called "The Midnight Mountain", "The Mountain of Destiny", "The Miracle Mountain" and "The Magic Mountain" in different sources.

Im Untersberg, dem "Zauberberg", ist "die Zeit anders". Menschen die in eine Höhle kletterten, seien, obwohl sie "nur kurze Zeit" in den dunklen Gängen verbrachten, erst "in ferner Zukunft" wieder ans Tageslicht gestiegen, hieß es in alten Sagen des Mittelalters. Ebenso werden Berichte von "einem Schacht, aus dem Stimmen drangen und - Brunnen, aus dessen Tiefe Geräusche von Schritten laut wurden", überliefert.

According to ancient germanic mythology, "time is different" at Wotans Mountain. "If you spend only a little time in the caves you can return in the distant future". medeaval writings assure us. "If you listen carefully, you can hear voices and footsteps in the depths of the shafts and springs"

I also found this, an english-language source at last: Untersberg and the Celtic Connection.

It doesnt prove much though, except that the Celts were also worshipping the place.

An important note is that there are hundreds of mountains in the area. The fact that this one is singled out throughout history, shows that there is something else happening here than elsewhere.

[edit on 27-8-2008 by Skyfloating]

A simple experiment to conduct...
Since a number of people here have mentioned about going to the mountain, maybe a little experiment is in order.
Take 2 clocks, make sure they are completely synchronized, leave one in a room in the town below, and take another up the mountain and place it inside a cave ( not deep, just in there, so it is 'inside' the mountain ).. After a day, then a few days, then a week check the synchronization.. If they are good watches, there should be no difference.. a simple test if anyone would like to try it out I am sure we would all love to hear the results

This has been the most interesting thread I've read in a LONG time!! Is it just me or does everyone else here simply scroll down each page, looking for Skyfloating's blue avatar, ignoring the rest? I plan to go back and read other's responses but I can't wait to read more from Skyfloating. Maybe you could be on the ATS show and talk about all of this? Star and a Flag from me!

Originally posted by Barak
A simple experiment to conduct...
Since a number of people here have mentioned about going to the mountain, maybe a little experiment is in order.
Take 2 clocks, make sure they are completely synchronized, leave one in a room in the town below, and take another up the mountain and place it inside a cave ( not deep, just in there, so it is 'inside' the mountain ).. After a day, then a few days, then a week check the synchronization.. If they are good watches, there should be no difference.. a simple test if anyone would like to try it out I am sure we would all love to hear the results

It would seem to me that the watch could still continue to experience time normally. The mechanical function could continue no matter where in time it existed, and if you managed to find the watch you would have no indication that it had "lost" time, especially if it is returned when it is physically representing the current time of when it is returned.

something that could display age would be needed. Then you would have to hope that it was returned to this timeline during your lifetime, and you are able to find it again. Otherwise it is just a stolen watch.

Wow this is certainly very interesting.. I remember about a year ago i researched a case like this for about 2 weeks, it still sends shivers down my spine, i scoured Google for it and after an hour of trying various search terms i just this minute got sent back here

This is the case i am talking about i'm sure many of you have heard or read about it.

Similar incident

I am fascinated by these types of things and i love researching about them and reading about people's theories and experiences. The part of that incident that scares me is this part:

Below, and on the other side of the chasm, was another ledge which appeared to lead to a doorway or tunnel in the far wall. We realise that what happened next might sound unbelievable to many who read this, but we ask them to draw their own conclusions as to its validity. Miss - swears that what follows really happened. She claims that out of this lower tunnel on the far side of the chasm emerged, in single file, several very large creatures of humanoid form but completely covered with hair from head to foot. Noticing her, they raised their arms in her direction, palms out, at which point a violent "wind" began to blow through the cavern, snuffing out her candle. Then, some �thing� wet and slippery (apparently a creature of a different sort) brushed past her.

I'll be subscribing to this thread


[edit on 27-8-2008 by Tactical-Siege]

Having a quick look around, I found this site:

Source:

It is a huge read, so go down to Chapter 32.

This is what Nazis believed about the Mountain:

The complete original text that is kept in the archives of the “Societas Templi Marcioni” says it even more clearly.
But the point is: In that text Jesus actually names the “people”, He talks to Teutons serving in the Roman legion and He tells them that it is THEIR people that He had chosen. That was what Sebottendorf and his friends wanted to know for sure: That the Teutonic, i.e. the German people was commissioned to form the realm of light upon Earth – in the “Land of the Midnight Mountain” (Germany). The place where the ray would meet the Earth was given as the Untersberg near Salzburg.

At the end of September 1917 Sebottendorf met with members of the Lords of the Black Stone at the Untersberg to receive the power of the “Black-Purple Stone” after which the secret society was named.

The Lords of the Black Stone who formed out of the Marcionite Templar societies in 1221 and were led by Hubertus Koch had set as their aim the fight against evil and the building of Christ’s realm of light. This dark power they were to fight had revealed himself in the so-called Old Testament through Moses and other medium as God, starting with the words by YHWH = JAHVEH = Jehovah to Abraham:

Hope it helps in someway!
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That fits in perfectly with the theory that the world is governed by an occult war between various forces, each them claiming to be the bringers of light.

Even if the entire thing were not true, its always interesting to see what world leaders such as Putin, Bush, Hussein, Marx...and now in this case, Hitler & Co. believe about the world.

Its interesting that the Nazis believed they were the chosen ones of Jesus and eradicted those who believed they are Gods chosen.

It also shows heavy involvement of Templars and other Secret Societies with the Mountain.

Hi,

I've lived in Salzburg for most of my life. The Untersberg has always been a nice vista to behold, especially at sundown (a spectacular image of this has already been posted in this thread).

As to the stories surrounding the mountain - I must say, they are not exclusive to the Untersberg, but to the Tennengebirge (very close/adjacent) as well. Many stories dealing with strange disappearances, time passing too slowly or quickly, or people suddenly having enormous treasure or wealth without explanation. Many others deal with creatures that want to take children and make them their own, or rather, transform them into something similar to themselves.

I've read several collections of such stories; the unifying thing was that they all originated here in the Tennengebirge or the Untersberg (most stories did deal with the Untersberg) and had strange almost-human creatures in them, and mostly dealt with caves and the subterranean.

The Charlemagne/Barbarossa/King under the Mountain theme has indeed surfaced in many places; however, Sky, I haven't found any mention in the german text you quote that the Wotansberg is actually the Untersberg; only that the legend deals with Wotan's Mountain, wherever that may lie. Sometimes you may tend to infer more meaning or qualification into these texts than is there (I'm a native german speaker).

Since I'm currently in Vienna, 200 miles away, I cannot go to the Königssee and check out the half-isle there, but will definitely do so on my next return home. Intriguing, hadn't heard of that at all - like I said, I lived there or very close (

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As it is quite late here in NZ, I will check out 'Societas Templi Marcioni' a little further tomorrow!

Cheers!


(This a 'bump' also!)

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Hi there. Thanks for your hint that the entire region is interesting. If you do come upon other time-anomaly stories, especially pre 20th-century ones, Id be very, very, very interested to see links to them.

As for the Untersberg being referred to the Wotansberg, I derived this information from several pages about Untersberg, one of which I linked.

I also find it interesting that role-playing mideaval caused you to perceive mideaval apparitions. "It takes one to see one"

I'd personaly love to go and do some hands on research of this place but i live in England so it could be hard to arrange and it's not like i'm rich lol. I also don't believe that time actually exits i believe it was man made and i'm not the only person to believe this theory in fact even Einsteine believed it lol. Still it doesn't stop me from using it every day because one has to use it.

I'll have to look more closely into this before i can even begin to come up with theories.

Congratulations SkyFloating. Very enjoyable and informative. You have managed something that I have yet to witness on ATS. 15 pages with no infighting, name calling or otherwise nay saying! Actually, its delightful. I look forward to reading more of your facinating data. Thanks again.