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reply posted on 27-7-2008 @ 09:56 PM by Nirujarocks


the end of this world is near everyone just know that...



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reply posted on 28-7-2008 @ 01:08 AM by onlyhurtsu


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What about the loads of middle class just straight up losing their job and needing to take some crappier job?

Infaltion sky rocketing and pay not going up. It might be slowly effecting some.....

Luckily i dont have kids and know how to live off very little if i have to. Im so glad im a genius and realized a long time ago that having kids is a stupid idea.

Honestly , it is a bit funny to watch families who just only cared about their little close knit family life and not about the big picture and species family. THinking nothing could ever go wrong.....oh, but i just want kids , theyre so cute and fun to pretend they are mine. lol



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reply posted on 28-7-2008 @ 07:20 AM by Ex_MislTech



Originally posted by OldMedic
No, this whole premis is nothing but bull s**t.

The government was ELECTED by the people of this country. The "middle class" is NOT heavily taxed at all, in fact compared to most of the world, their taxes are laughably low.

And only pusillanimous cowards write the kind of drivel that this thread is all about.


Hey I appreciate your rhetoric, but your missing something.

Each and every thing we buy or use is taxed in layers.

Our Income tax is lower than most nations, but the prices of
goods and services get taxed, licensed, and hit with fees every
step of the way.

So what you get is a vicious cycle of inflation due to tax burden,
labor burden, fuel burden, inventory taxes, etc etc.

Most of the list is here:

www.thepowerhour.com...

There are more, but I won't be bothered with digging them
all up. That list is sufficient to make the point.

With these layers of taxation you get billion dollar corps
setting up 700 shell corps in the Caymans to hide their sins
like Enron did.

You get ppl abusing the Visa program and creating new
visas like the L1 visa that have ...NO LIMIT...yes that is right.

NO LIMIT.

Here is a "partial" list of the Visas

Your tax dollars go to pay for these ppl to come here and work
any and every kind of job under the sun.

Most is legit, some is total BS.

We pay farmers to not farm their land for several consecutive years.

Instead of idling part of the land, the whole thing is idle.

We pay corporate welfare to oil companies when they are
making "record profits".

It is total BS.

We fund bridges to no where, we fund all kinds of pork projects
that we do not need.

Just with Federal Income Tax, State Income Tax, SSI, medicare,
and average sales tax you are sitting at over 50% for the average earner.

When you add in property tax, ad valorum tax, luxury tax,
and licenses and fees it is pushes on past 60%.

When you consider the layers of taxes from raw material
til it becomes a product for the end user the tax passed on
in the price puts total effictive tax well past 70%.

So sell that BS somewhere, the lie is a lie, and anyone that has
taken economics or accounting knows it.



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reply posted on 28-7-2008 @ 02:35 PM by Ex_MislTech



Originally posted by kerontehe
See DD - I knew you could find a subject we agree on.

Soon there will be no middle class in North America.

Just the haves and the have nots.

And now this from the Dems:

Bill jeered as omnibus earmark full of pork
Coburn vows to thwart Reid on $11 billion in pet projects


www.washingtontimes.com...

Bread and circuses is exactly correct.

In the rural/agricultural/tourist area I live in FL, we are losing small businesses at the rate of 14/mo fo the last 3 months in one county. Some of these are national corps that are being forced to eliminate lower producing locations.

Shoot in here amongst us - some of us must have relief.


You will ask for relief like many others, but you may get
something like this:


www.breitbart.com...

The Russians are going to start staging Blackjack and Bear Bombers out of Cuba.

The severity of this issue is not easily seen.

The reason is the planes are just a delivery truck for what they carry.

That still does not speak to the real issue.

People hear bomber and think it has to fly over the land it is going to bomb.

The problem is these planes "ONLY" carry cruise missiles now with a
a range possibly as far as 5,000 kilometers, or about 3,500 miles.

They could be flying around south of Cuba, launch and still hit anywhere
in the US except the most northern states.

Also most people think, ahhh its a cruise missile and we can shoot it down.

The problem with that is during the war with Serbia they shot down an F-117
stealth fighter and reverse engineered the technology.

It is now part of their advanced cruise missiles that carry 200 Kilo-ton nukes.

So you have a Stealth Cruise Missile on a delivery truck somewhere near cuba,
and the Russians are upset about our missile shield, and are willing to
replay the Cuban Missile Crisis scenario to make their point.

The baseline for the cruise missile is the KH-55 from the 1980's.

en.wikipedia.org...

It has been upgrade since then, but we do not fully know for sure its abilities.

That upgraded critter is now officially known as the KH-102

www.globalsecurity.org...

The fact that is has Stealth abilities is now PUBLIC knowledge
in the above article, in paragraph # 5.

Hints at a newer and even better Stealth Cruise Missile the KH-555
are mentioned as well.

So when people laugh about the old planes, think of them as an old
truck delivering a high tech package.

This may be a second Cuban Missile crisis,
but the person in the Whitehouse is not JFK.

Like the 60's nothing may happen, or some religious ppl may
think it is time for revelations to take place.

Some articles showing the Russians level of anger can be found here:

Top Brass Defends Russia's Right to Preemptive Strike:

www.mnweekly.ru...

Iran says it intercepted terrorist attack on Russian consulate:

en.rian.ru...

Russia takes measures to protect its facilities and citizens in Iran:

en.rian.ru...

Putin Calls U.S. ..Frightening Monster,' Urges French Solidarity:

www.bloomberg.com...

Vladimir Putin assassination attempt 'foiled'

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Just another heads up here.

My bug out bag is packed, and my Evac locale to the west is prepped.

Take care,
Ex_MislTech



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reply posted on 28-7-2008 @ 02:50 PM by Alxandro


I don't know where you are but maybe you should move to Texas.
It's really booming here. So much so that I'm beginning to believe this recession stuff is nothing but hype. I mean, sure we are in a housing slump but how do explain the following?
There are people lined up to enter BestBuy stores before they even open.
On weekends all the restaurants are so full you can't find parking and there's always a wait time.
Over priced Radio Shack is getting out of their slump and gas just started gettting cheaper.

This will continue until early next just in time for Obama to get credit so why are you complaining?

Why are we witnessing the biggest blockbuster movie of all time if things are really that bad?



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reply posted on 28-7-2008 @ 04:27 PM by Anonymous ATS


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Taxes on purchases are not exclusive to US. Here, in europe, it's called VAT - value added tax. In Ireland it is around 20%. AND the income tax is 41% for incomes over 44K and 20% for less than 44K.

External link:
www.irishlinks.co.uk...

Yet despite these taxes, we still survive. What's more, we're living good.



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reply posted on 28-7-2008 @ 11:27 PM by vanosman



Originally posted by kattraxx
In the immortal words of Jim Morrison, "They've got the guns, but we've got the numbers".... unfortunately, that was back in the 60's when people were awake and actually got up off their butts and did something.

Now there are over 300 million of us and most are asleep.

But God help the ruling class criminals if this population ever wakes up again. You'd probably have to pre-empt that lame dance show on television to do that though, or really start killing off their sons and daughters in an even bigger more useless (but oh so profitable) foreign war...

.

[edit on 7/23/08 by kattraxx]


Dancing with the Stars !
Not as entertaining as NASCAR CHARIOT RACE AND UFC Gladiator Sports !

Just bag on on American Idol, but leave my male soap opera on ESPN alone. Forget Pat Tilman's mom on CSPAN, what is the latest with A-rod and Madonna, put that on CSPAN along with the roid hearings ?

Forget the flag draped caskets, the real American heros are presenters on the ESPY Awards !

When was last time you wanted an Autograph photo from a wounded soldier ?



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