I got my Obama on in D.C. yesterday. Did you?

I made a choice for America yesterday. It might not be the winning choice? It might...who knows? And I want to tell you why I made the choice I did. I voted for Obama! And for the first time in my life as a 36 year old I felt a little bit better about hope. A hope that my daughter won't have to endure a country that puts glass ceilings on her hopes of being what she wants. I can't say for sure that my choice was right and I won't know the direction change for at lest 4 years. But having voted for Obama I feel that at the very lest I helped stop the powers who want to grasp and strangle hold every day people to past policies that will not work in a ever changing America.
I say this because the Republican party can't form a new policy for America to move forward. They hold on to old Reagan policies that are 20 years out dated. There was a time for Reagan. As much as I make fun and poke fun at people in here who support him yes, there was a time for Reagan. But not now, His time has past America has to move on. And the some on the left want to so much go back to the ways of the Clinton policies...No, we have to move on those ways can't lead America in the way this country needs to move forward.
So I cast my vote for a man who is in some ways a small reminder of Dr. King he speaks with hope. And right now I have lost hope in America. The hope to pass on one day knowing that my daughter will have a better life. Obama to me means that America might have a shot at breaking the presidential linage that has bogged down America for the past 20 years between two family names.
I want you guys to know who I voted for. I want the weight of change on my shoulders. And if it doesn't work out for America. Then I want the heat for the wrong if committed.

Change

[edit on 13-2-2008 by tsloan]

[edit on 13-2-2008 by tsloan]

Obama did very well in all three states yesterday. kudos for putting the weight of change on your shoulders....and voting!

Obama goes against the only thing this country stands for like all the rest with the exception of a few, that being the Constitution..

He's nothing more then a different face of the status quo.

The Democrat, Republican fight is the status quo, It serves to distract those who care not to look deeper and only except the fight before them rather then the one that is hidden, the one that is hidden is the dirty little secret that both sides are one and the same, each one fighting to strip away a certain set of freedoms while using their own platform to deceive there supporters as to their own doings...

As long as this country elects Democrats and Republicans the status quo will remain.

no change will be made.

[edit on 13-2-2008 by C0le]

Originally posted by C0le
Obama goes against the only thing this country stands for like all the rest with the exception of a few, that being the Constitution..

He's nothing more then a different face of the status quo.

The Democrat, Republican fight is the status quo, It serves to distract those who care not to look deeper and only except the fight before them rather then the one that is hidden, the one that is hidden is the dirty little secret that both sides are one and the same, each one fighting to strip away a certain set of freedoms while using their own platform to deceive there supporters as to their own doings...

As long as this country elects Democrats and Republicans the status quo will remain.

no change will be made.

[edit on 13-2-2008 by C0le]

Yes you are right. And I would much rather see the government re-built from the gound up. I would love to see a third party member in office. But the system is broke as of now. But I can tell you this the broken system has used the same 2 last names as fixers for the last 20 years. Something isn't right about that. So even if Obama is the "same" at lest he isn't a Clinton, or a Bush and at lest he can break the 20 year family cycle we have been stuck in.

I understand the new look is a look of change, but you have to take a look at reality.

Obama is a different look, but is way to green to succeed. This is not to degrade him as a good speaker with some good ideas, but he is only one tier of a three tier system ( House, Senate, White House[Pres.] )

His extreme socialist views will continue to bankrupt (as the current administration) the government and he won't be able to control the debt and bankroll the social programs. Like it or not, if we turn tail and run from Iraq, all will be for not. Lives, money, world standing and strategic positions will all be lost as well as the money and lives already lost.

Obama seems to be fresh face, but he is doomed from the beginning because the White House is too big for a junior member to handle especially in our troubled times.

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I've never personally attended one of his speeches, but he obviously has a lot of appeal.

I'm wary of politicians who use slogans without accompanying details.

Change. What the heck does that mean, anyway? What exactly does he intend to change?

Originally posted by tsloan
I say this because the Republican party can't form a new policy for America to move forward. They hold on to old Reagan policies that are 20 years out dated. There was a time for Reagan. As much as I make fun and poke fun at people in here who support him yes, there was a time for Reagan. But not now, His time has past America has to move on.

Conservatives such as I would strongly disagree with you. It is precisely the fact the Republican party has abandoned conservative principles that we are in the mess we find ourselves today. And our candidate this time is no box of chocolates.

Originally posted by tsloan

So I cast my vote for a man who is in some ways a small reminder of Dr. King he speaks with hope. And right now I have lost hope in America. The hope to pass on one day knowing that my daughter will have a better life. Obama to me means that America might have a shot at breaking the presidential linage that has bogged down America for the past 20 years between two family names.
I want you guys to know who I voted for. I want the weight of change on my shoulders. And if it doesn't work out for America. Then I want the heat for the wrong if committed.

Change

Well my friend, I truly understand your desire to pass a better nation on to your daughter, and I hope she (and my kids) get just that. I could never vote for him or Hillary; they are much too socialistic for me. But that's just me.

Unfortunately, Barack Obama is a CFR Member: What is the Council on Foreign Relations?

Youtube

wiki

BTW CFR President Richard Haass is in Huckabees circle:

Jones Report
"Huckabee had no reservations explaining his affection for the secretive think tank. "There are very good people involved," he told the young Republican."

Richard Haass has previously made direct statements declaring that "State sovereignty must be altered"

taipei times

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[edit on 16-2-2008 by tha stillz]

Originally posted by C0le
Obama goes against the only thing this country stands for like all the rest with the exception of a few, that being the Constitution..

He's nothing more then a different face of the status quo.

The Democrat, Republican fight is the status quo, It serves to distract those who care not to look deeper and only except the fight before them rather then the one that is hidden, the one that is hidden is the dirty little secret that both sides are one and the same, each one fighting to strip away a certain set of freedoms while using their own platform to deceive there supporters as to their own doings...

As long as this country elects Democrats and Republicans the status quo will remain.

no change will be made.

[edit on 13-2-2008 by C0le]

Obama is a flip flopping paid for boot licker. He supports a global tax that also includes a ban on small weapons one minute. Then he turns and says he is for the 2nd amendment the next day.

Global tax he supports with the UN Gun ban Link.
www.prisonplanet.com...

Now the link saying he supprts gun rights.
www.prisonplanet.com...

Ok , so which is it Obama Bin Ladin? Are you for gun rights or Gun Bans?

In my book Obama is a traitor to the Constitution and my fellow Americans. I just dont see how people can vote for him. I see many sheeple flocking to Obama that in my book are traitors.

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Congrats, and thank you for voting. These days, you never know if your vote will count, but it's still worth the effort to hope that it does.

Personally, I don't know how I feel about Obama, because I have some of the same issues other posters in this thread have mentioned: the Constitution, the deficit and out-of-control spending, and his membership in the CFR.

I think he'll be strong on the Constitution and restoring our rights, due to his history as a Constitutional law professor. More importantly, though, imo anyway, will he utilize his expertise to dismantle the Bush and Cheney attempt to reconstitute the imperial presidency, or will he just enjoy the new perks?

While I'm concerned about spending, I have to disagree with some of the previous posters. I don't believe that his "extreme socialist views", if by that, you mean "universal healthcare", will bankrupt this country. I think it's an easy thing to say, but I don't agree. I'm in the camp of "If we can afford to bomb the hell out of two ME countries and then re-build them, our very own citizens, who foot the bill for all this, deserve healthcare." OTOH, though, we have some very, very serious financial issues, mainly concerning China, and I would like them to be taken care of, in some way, before we start borrowing more.

The CFR membership is where he gets a big, fat zero from me. Until I hear that they DON'T plan on taking over the world and turning us all into fascist minions, I am SOOOO against them.

I was always torn between Obama and Edwards, but now that that choice is gone, so I guess it's Obama, cuz it definitely ain't Hillary.

Originally posted by jsobecky
I've never personally attended one of his speeches, but he obviously has a lot of appeal.

I'm wary of politicians who use slogans without accompanying details.

Change. What the heck does that mean, anyway? What exactly does he intend to change?

The people who keep saying this have not paid attention to what Obama has said in the debates, in his longer speeches (not just the ones he gives to energize his supporters at Obama H.Q.) or in print.

Obama goes into great depth about his ideas and proposed changes in his book, "The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream." It's been a N.Y. Times bestseller and can be bought in paperback from Three Rivers Press for $14.95. I recommend it to anyone who would like to know more about this candidate and how he thinks.

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[edit on 16-2-2008 by Sestias]

Everything I have seen, heard or read from Obama is a joke. Oh yes, he has plenty of “plans” and “strategies” but they all seem to consist of just spending more money to fix the “problems” he perceives. For example, Obama believes that the “No Child Left Behind” program is good in principal – it just needs more funding. In addition, he wants to create a “Zero to Five” program that would ensure children enter Kindergarten with the necessary skills to achieve. How is this going to be done? Of course, by spending MORE money! Money (in Obama’s hands) will fix everything!. Where will this money come from? Well…Obama will get back to you on that one.
I hear a lot of empty platitudes and high-minded ideals with no real substance to them. I hear a lot of vague concepts with no fundamental plan to achieve them. But what I do hear, in the background, small and faint, is a constant whisper for MORE spending, more money, more funding. Where is he getting that money from? [glance at wallet]

Originally posted by Sestias
The people who keep saying this have not paid attention to what Obama has said in the debates, in his longer speeches (not just the ones he gives to energize his supporters at Obama H.Q.) or in print.

Guilty. And I do realize that those details are typically supplied in the final debates between the D and R candidate. If at all.

His foreign policy, from what I've heard of it, is a bit confusing. It lacks coherency, imo.

One the one hand, he wants to bring the troops home from Iraq tomorrow. (Bad idea, imo)

On the other hand, he says he would invade Pakistan regardless of what Musharaff says. (Another bad idea, imo).

If we leave Iraq tomorow, it would be the new capital of AQ within a year.

This is where his lack of experience shows up.

CHANGE




You want Change Thread Maker, what change does Obama bring other than his skin color?

Nailer, you have a book out? Whats it called and where can I find it? I pretty much have an idea of where you stand, however I would curious to see the book!

Originally posted by passenger
Everything I have seen, heard or read from Obama is a joke. Oh yes, he has plenty of “plans” and “strategies” but they all seem to consist of just spending more money to fix the “problems” he perceives. For example, Obama believes that the “No Child Left Behind” program is good in principal – it just needs more funding. In addition, he wants to create a “Zero to Five” program that would ensure children enter Kindergarten with the necessary skills to achieve. How is this going to be done? Of course, by spending MORE money! Money (in Obama’s hands) will fix everything!. Where will this money come from? Well…Obama will get back to you on that one.
I hear a lot of empty platitudes and high-minded ideals with no real substance to them. I hear a lot of vague concepts with no fundamental plan to achieve them. But what I do hear, in the background, small and faint, is a constant whisper for MORE spending, more money, more funding. Where is he getting that money from? [glance at wallet]

I aways find it interesting that some folks get all worked up about spending when it comes to "social programs" but then they are conveniently silent on the billions that are wasted on the Government welfare program called" the war on terror"

Perhaps you would agree that simply taking back the stolen funds that Halliburton and the defense contractors have scammed from the American Public, and just putting those funds into something for the AMERICAN People would be a GOOD thing! Thats where we can get some of the money from....

Originally posted by realmatrix

Originally posted by passenger
How is this going to be done? Of course, by spending MORE money! Money (in Obama’s hands) will fix everything!.

Originally posted by realmatrix
I aways find it interesting that some folks get all worked up about spending when it comes to "social programs" but then they are conveniently silent on the billions that are wasted on the Government welfare program called" the war on terror"

Not me. I’m opposed to both.

Originally posted by realmatrix

Perhaps you would agree that simply taking back the stolen funds that Halliburton and the defense contractors have scammed from the American Public, and just putting those funds into something for the AMERICAN People would be a GOOD thing! Thats where we can get some of the money from....

I would agree. I’m opposed to Haliburton Mercenaries as well (I think I made a post here on that subject somewhere). I’m also angry about the billions “scammed from the American Public” by defense contractors and the like. However, I’m not just concerned with those funds. Every and any government program has waste, graft corruption and misuse virtually built into it. It doesn’t matter if it’s Social Security, Medicare or NGO’s. That’s why I’m opposed to almost everything that the government spends money on.
It seems to me that Liberals will conveniently overlook wasted money on social program failures while harping on military or corporate NGO misuse while Conservatives do the opposite. I think they’re both wrong – government waste is government waste.