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Originally posted by BASSPLYR
SO your kid shows ingenuity and resoursfulnes on discovering the where abouts of his christmas present early and playing with it. This is what kids are supposed to do.
Originally posted by WyrdeOne
I don't see anything wrong with limited physical discipline. If it's done in anger, it's not right.
If it's done to get the kid's attention, I think there's merit there.
Originally posted by WyrdeOne
He's been going through life, doing things, getting away with it - whose fault is that?
Lady, the police department is not an educational service. They don't exist to raise your kid, train your kid, punish your kid, or otherwise supplant your role in the kid's life.
Do your damn job! The kid is twelve years old, and you gotta call the cops on him when he disobeys you?
Parents are increasingly reliant on the cops in this country to do the parenting. Part of it, I think, is all the unwillingness to discipline children physically. Another major component seems to be the explosion of uncontrollable kids. If it was ever this bad before, I never noticed.
Originally posted by WyrdeOne
I posted this in OCE because I think we're building towards something. Many parents see their children as a hassle, a bother, an inconvenience. They would just as soon have the state raise their kids.
We're basically there already. The state determines how your child is to educated, medicated, and disciplined. You, the parent, can go to jail if you disagree with the state in these matters. The police can interview your child without you present, without even informing you of the event. The schools can bring in psychologists, therapists, probably even hypnotists, without even informing you. They can mandate treatment, even dangerous treatment, and you have no say.
So what are parents doing, while all this goes on? They just keep ignoring the situation, and don't seem to care overly much. After all, there haven't been any large protests in Washington demanding more parents' rights.
Opinions?
Originally posted by Muaddib
I doubt the child will have this on his record, the mother wanted to teach something to the "teenager", and the police agreed to do this, maybe they even knew the 12 year old and some of the things he did, which is why I think they would have agreed to do this.
If a parent consents police officers sometimes use these sort of tactics to keep teenagers from comitting crimes, and instead to teach them a lesson, it has been happening for a long time...
[edit on 11-12-2006 by Muaddib]
Originally posted by Muaddib
I doubt the child will have this on his record, the mother wanted to teach something to the "teenager", and the police agreed to do this, maybe they even knew the 12 year old and some of the things he did, which is why I think they would have agreed to do this.
If a parent consents police officers sometimes use these sort of tactics to keep teenagers from comitting crimes, and instead to teach them a lesson, it has been happening for a long time...
Originally posted by BitRaiser
Reading things like this make me very thankful for my parents.
Mom spanked me a couple times, but it was no big deal. It didn't really have much of an impact on me.
Dad hit me once... and I hit him right back. We came to an understanding right there and then.
Overall, they were able to keep me (mostly) in line through teaching me respect (which I was afraid to lose) and by making me dealing with the consequences of my own actions. If I got in trouble they would be there for me, but I had to deal with it myself. It helped tremendously that they would listen to my side and would back me up if they felt I was in the right (which occurred a couple times when I came into conflict with some bad teachers).
Because I was so lucky with my good parents, I've always been somewhat mystified by bad parents. How could you possibly inflict this sort of crap upon your own offspring? How can you make your petty greed a higher priority than raising your children? How can people be so damned selfish?
Well... I guess it's all part of the same big problem. These days the social pressure and mass-media message of blind consumerism has conditioned too many people into having screwed up priorities.
It's bad now and it's going to get worse.
Side note: on the forced medicating of children...
HOLY CRAP!
Umm, how much more Orwellian can you get? That smacks of 1994 all over the place! Happy little collectives of drug addled youths that will grow up destroyed by mind-numbing chemicals.
Stuff like this makes me think we're just flat out Doomed.