Constitution Day 2005: Dissolving Democracy

PODcast: Constitution Day 2005: Dissolving Democracy
Acknowledging Constitution Day: A review of three Constitutional Rights sacrificed to security after 9/11 and Katrina.

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Here is the text from my podcast - I'm doing a kind of "performance art" approach, and am interested in feedback. Ie., Does it work? Does it carry manipulation to the appropriate extreme, and thereby make the point? ...? Thanks, sofi



Do you know your rights?

Once - you had the right to privacy.
That's gone.

Once - you had the right to bear arms.
That's going.

Your right to own property is diasappearing too -
if you're not wealthy enough to protect it.

In Nawlins
the rich have the right to hired armed security
and protect their property -

but the poor are being disarmed
and evacuated.

Now, why IS that?


Why are disasters,
like 9/11 and Katrina,
used to take away your Constitutional Rights
and dissolve democracy?


Who owns America?
What will they do with us?
Where will we live?
Why do they want to own us?
When will it stop?
How did they take our country away from us?


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Recommended reading, to start:

Patriot act in the working, civil liberties shunned!!!
URGENT: Homeland Security Bill
Gun and Property rights issues in the aftermath of Katrina
Blackwater Security Firm now in NOLA
ACLU: "Big Brother is coming!"
TOTAL POLICE STATE TAKEOVER
www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.belowtopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

PODcast: Constitution Day 2005: Dissolving Democracy (reply 1)
Majic, in a rare display of public loquacity, breaks his long podcast silence *cough* to comment on sofi's warning of Dissolving Democracy.

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Sorry Majic - I just can't tackle my mike problems right now...

Thanks for all the compliments. I'm copying them to mp3 and making a bedtime tape.

On the more serious topic of "Dissolving Democracy," I think you're right - It's all about money, and power.

My old line was, "It's not a conspiracy - just good business."

And democracy is a threat to big business. So it's gotta go.

Only 3 words can describe this................

poetry in motion

Originally posted by mulberryblueshimmer
Only 3 words can describe this................

poetry in motion

Thank you, mbs! I am enjoying your podcasts greatly - and you may find that I may adopt your accent soon... The sincerest form of flattery.

soficrow, absolutely incredible. Beautiful, meaningful and real.

Ya gotta get some...

Is America really a Democracy or is it a Republic? If Jefferson was alive today his eyes, and ears would not be pleased. It was Federalist like Hamilton who thought that Democracy threaten Liberty. I totally disagree with that.
Hamilton also thought that the common man was not fit to run this nation. He thought the common man was stupid, and uneducated. He wanted the plutocratic who were educated to run this nation. Again I disagree with Hamilton. Hamilton wanted a strong Federal Government that interpreted our Constitution loosely.


Jackson on the other hand created the spoils system and also supported a nation were people had more control over the Federal powers. Some people are blind and do no understand the freedoms we are loosing. We need to educate ourselves and help make America a better place for us all to live in.
It is a God given right for us to have our natural freedoms, and to have the right to pursue happiness.

History revolves around money, power, and inequality.

By the way interesting post soficrow.

Thanks LOD. You got me thinking - which resulting in a new script, posted here:


Dissolving Democracy: What is Democracy?
www.podtrac.com...


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Originally posted by LiquidationOfDiscrepancy
Is America really a Democracy or is it a Republic? If Jefferson was alive today his eyes, and ears would not be pleased. It was Federalist like Hamilton who thought that Democracy threaten Liberty. I totally disagree with that.
Hamilton also thought that the common man was not fit to run this nation. He thought the common man was stupid, and uneducated. He wanted the plutocratic who were educated to run this nation. Again I disagree with Hamilton. Hamilton wanted a strong Federal Government that interpreted our Constitution loosely.


Jackson on the other hand created the spoils system and also supported a nation were people had more control over the Federal powers. Some people are blind and do no understand the freedoms we are loosing. We need to educate ourselves and help make America a better place for us all to live in.
It is a God given right for us to have our natural freedoms, and to have the right to pursue happiness.

History revolves around money, power, and inequality.

By the way interesting post soficrow.

Interesting.. but Read the Consitution.. there should be no debate when you read Article IV.. Section 4.

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence. "

It is a Republic.. and not a Democracy.

I LOVE that line!

"The United States is a republic, NOT a democracy." Like the two are mutually exclusive.

But hey. BS baffles brains - and whatever works, works. So go ahead and try to rewrite history, plus the dictionary, all at one time. You might get away with it.


PS. A "republic" is a state or government, specifically one headed by a president (not a king, emperor, or other monarch), in which the power is exercised by officials elected by the voters (not by monarchs who inherit their positions by "divine right," or by officials appointed by monarchs).

...So specifically, a republic IS a democracy.

Originally posted by soficrow


I LOVE that line!

"The United States is a republic, NOT a democracy." Like the two are mutually exclusive.

But hey. BS baffles brains - and whatever works, works. So go ahead and try to rewrite history, plus the dictionary, all at one time. You might get away with it.


PS. A "republic" is a state or government, specifically one headed by a president (not a king, emperor, or other monarch), in which the power is exercised by officials elected by the voters (not by monarchs who inherit their positions by "divine right," or by officials appointed by monarchs).

...So specifically, a republic IS a democracy.

No it is not. And anyone who tries to push this statement is attempting to re-write history. The U.S. is a constitutionalized federal republic that practices democracy. And not even pure democracy, but representative democracy. In these times of intentional misuse of nouns...it is very important to keep these things straight.

The United States is a democracy that uses the republic model, according to the old teachers and references.

Granted, there is a movement to shift the emphasis and order, not for greater linguistic accuracy, but to ease the transition into fascism, and set people up to lose their voting rights.

Maybe we should discuss the weaknesses of democracy, and the need for an intellectually superior ruling class to lead the uneducated, inferior masses? Like, get to the point?

Then we could move right along to utilitarian bioethics - and justify policies to kill off the "useless feeders" who don't contribute to society. ...What with bird flu and all, the schedule is getting pretty tight, and the ground is not yet properly laid. Benign neglect just won't cover all the necessary bases.

No, it was never a democracy. It was always a constitutionalized republic.

Maybe we should direct our attention to discussing the real problem - the weakness of representative democracy.

That seems to be what is carrying the country in a wicker basket to a hot place right now. Maybe we should just speak for ourselves.

The United States is a democracy: "government by the people, directly, or through representatives; a country with such a government."

Webster's New World Dictionary, 1984.


IMO - the spin snaking through the Net claims that "The United States is a republic, not a democracy." This spin is based on the misapprehension that a democracy is one in which the people directly govern. Not true. ...This is one of the many words and concepts that is being redefined to "re-educate the masses," and serve a hidden agenda - specifically, the dissolving of democracy.


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If the US was a Democracy then you would have more and more public opinon directing the government.

Look at this way.. lets say I have a piece of land that had a large body of water on it. You want part of that water and ask me to sell you part of my land so you can access that water. I say No I do not wish to sell you that land for whatever reason.

Under a Democracy you can bring the majority to vote on the subject and MOB rules, hence if your local community votes that I have to sell you the land if the majority votes that way. I get to vote too.. but if the vote goes against me.. I have no control.

This is a very simplistic way to look at it.. but that is a Democracy way of government in a nuttshell.

I have seen MANY dictionaries state the US is a Democracy.. but I believe that it is a misconception. We have a Consitutional Republic as our form of government as stated in Article IV, Section 4. Despite what the Press and many other people would have you believe.

I could go on about this.. but I can tell I can never convince you.

soficrow,

I would suggest, in your efforts to re-write American history and political science, that you make sure you dig up Thomas Jefferson and set him straight...because he darned sure was convinced we were a republic form of government.

In his own handwriting:

www.loc.gov...

In his own words:

"If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union, or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left to combat it."

hmmm...Very appropriate words.

Even before the United States had its own Consitution (1789) there was folks in the world that recognized that Democracy was not the greatest thing that some would make it out to be.

Alexander Fraser Tytler

(Scottish professor of history at Edinburgh University, a.k.a. Lord Woodhouselee, author of The Decline and Fall of the Athenian Republic (1776))

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. [Tytler describes the life cycle of civilization as from Bondage to Spiritual Faith to Great Courage to Liberty to Abundance to Selfishness to Complacency to Apathy to Dependency and back into Bondage.] "

Actually. if you read the qoute.. then you start to see parallels on how our government works today.


I still believe and from what I have read in the past.. that Democracy has been thrown around by the socialists in this nation for years. In fact there are many who label anyone who says different crazy.

If its said enough in front of people.. then they get to believing it. I for one have had enough.. Guess I am crazy

"Democracy" and "republic" are not mutually exclusive.

Democracy is the substance; republic is the delivery system.

Democracy is to republic as drug is to needle.

The United States has been seen as a democracy since its creation, and through history. It has been pitched as a government "for the people, by the people" since it opened its doors to the world. Just because there is a movement to redefine a couple of words - and dissolve US democracy - does NOT change the nation's history.

The USA is and always has been BOTH a democracy, and a republic.



Dissolving Democracy: What IS Democracy?

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[edit on 22-9-2005 by soficrow]

The two ARE mutualy exclusive. The United States of America is a Republic. Democracy is what form of government we practice. Its Bicamral with a House Of Representitives which 'protects' your interest your local rep interest and The Senate.

Do I put much stock in how 'my' interests are being protected? Not really, but if you tresspass on my farm I do have firearms
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The problem is big business. How can you compete with a company who has a representative, who's intrest are with a company that employs 50k workers. How can I keep a 400 acre farm when PSF comes in and wants my land? I won't give it up. Just don't tresspass