Is Hopi Blue Star Kachina Prediction a Cyclic Event

The Hopi Indians gave us a prophency about the coming of the new world in which a great spirit will signal as a blue star. Followed with the earth rocking too and fro and white men fighting other nations.

The blue star has been envisioned as a comet. But there is another possibility. The star that turns blue is our own sun, as a result of what some nickname a micronova, a solar cyclic event that occurs every 12,000 years. We know from tree ring data that energy emitted from the sun in 774AD was 1000x greater than Carrington event (strongest solar flare known in modern history). The micronova is assumed to be even stronger still. That will likely take out all the grid's. With massive voltage surges destroying most electronic equipment.

"earth rocking too and fro" seems ridiculous at first glance. But we know from our recent past. That Siberia was grasslands, that turned frigid so fast, it froze woolly-mammoths with blood still in their veins. We have the baffling Piri Reis Map dated from 16th century that shows Antarctica without ice-caps. Obviously this map was copied from a much older map. But where were the ice-caps when humans first mapped the coast-line of Antartica.

A theory called Cataclysmic pole shift hypothesis. Proposes the position of the earths crust moves every 12,000 years by 90 degree's. Causing massive tidal waves and floods known today as myths. Sending civiliations back into a dark age. That Cataclysmic pole shift hypothesis being signalled by rapid magnetic pole movement that is occuring today.



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a reply to: glend

It is an interesting theory, to be honest.

However, the translation from the Hopi describes it as a blue star far from us and still invisible.

The English version of it is when the Kachina dances in the plaza (is seen by the population) and takes off his mask (exposes the truth to everyone) then the fourth cycle has ended.

There are those in the Hopi Tribe that believe that it is a reference to when they come to take the True Hopi back to other worlds in "ships without wings".

What you would call UFO's.

However, the timeline is not yet complete because for that prophecy to be fulfilled the Hopi will have needed to split as a Tribe three times.

They currently have split twice... once in 1906 over religious differences and the second time in 1970 after some True Hopi did a "UFO Calling" which resulted in a rather spectacular UFO sighting.

I personally think that we are now in the phase called "Koyaanisqatsi” but are not at the end of the fourth world yet.

No, the third and final split of the Hopi will come from a nuclear war between the US, China, Palestine, India and Africa. When the war comes, Turtle Island (the United States) will be destroyed by “gourds of ashes” which will fall to the ground, boiling the rivers and burning the earth, where no grass will grow for many years, and causing a disease that no medicine can cure.

Only then will the third split happen and the True Hopi can be free of this planet.

The ones remaining will have to live in the fifth world and try again.

a reply to: glend

I don't know about prophecy's other than the ones I personally trust which are those in the bible albeit I tend not to trust many folk's interpretation of them and hold a rather enigmatic stance of God will reveal what HE mean's when it is time for him to do so if and when he decides to, I also believe that prophecy is often a map of disaster for us to avoid, it is God's way of giving us an out since we are imperfect and though like a parent with lots - and lot's and lot's of errant, nightmarish children he is probably quite fed up with us most of the time I still believe he loves us.

I do have a personal belief in Cyclic world's and that the planet earth has had many worlds before our own, the bible somewhat back's this up with passages about nothing being new under the sun etc.

This passage for example is biblical saying that can literally be interpreted to say that there HAVE been previous advanced civilizations, previous ages pretty much like our own even.

And while the more sceptical will say were is the evidence they also have a bad habit of just ignoring any possible evidence when it comes there way.
eraoflight.com...

8All things are wearisome, more than one can describe; the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear content with hearing. 9What has been will be again, and what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun. 10Is there a case where one can say, “Look, this is new”? It has already existed in the ages before us.

But it, science and fringe alternative believers like me could also be utterly wrong.
The earth COULD be very young indeed.

That said there could have been more than one previous world destroyed by Flood, the Hopi too have a flood as part of there religion.

There are not one but TWO candidates for Noah's ark for example, or is it that there were TWO Noah's at the end of two different previous worlds?.

Lets begin with an elderly gentleman now passed to his forefathers most likely called George Hagopian, he was not a liar just a hard working New York Cab driver whom was born and grew up an Armenian in the region of mount Ararat and as a young boy his father took him to see Noahs ark which used to be sometimes partially exposed out of a glacier on mount Ararat.

noahsark.it...
And a later expedition went searching for it as well.
noahsark-discovery.com...
Jim Irwin a very intelligent man indeed, so intelligent he was sent to the moon chosen from the brightest and best that America had to offer, this astronaut spent his later life searching for this same ark.

And it is the one that I personally believe is OUR Noah, the one Proceeding our age at the end of a previous world that was destroyed in a cleansing flood, but there may have been an earlier one as well and another Noah type figure, oddly this earlier one was probably much taller than our people.
www.ronwyatt.com...

So were there two flood's or more intriguingly could TWO - or more - reality's have merged and remnants of these two reality's and more still be existing in our world at some level, indeed such merging may be just as common as diverging reality's as proposed by the many world's theory.

Some odd people have appeared and vanished over the ages like the man from Tored a country that does not exist but he did have a real passport made out by that nation, stamped with travel stamps from many places including Japan were he appeared and then vanished and according to that man his nation was one of the most important on earth so? an alternate history, a merging of reality's or a reality crossover event that led to the man appearing in our reality which was as strange to him as his story was to the Japanese immigration officers.

OR the woman in Spain whom went to sleep in one reality and woke in a different one were her life and several world event's had occurred differently, some call it the Mandela affect but it is probably gone on as long as divergent and merging (Convergent) reality's have existed.



So Prophecy's, how accurate can they be, only the author of reality can make an accurate one especially if reality itself is not a fixed point.

By the way I am one of Millions that remember the sun being golden yellow and the sky actually BLUE, grass translucent green that you could hold up (to that sky or the sun but not look directly at the sun of course it was golden yellow not like the almost white star that seem to be in this sky) and see the plant vein's in it and leaves that were also translucent enough to see light through them.

Different passages in the bible and a great many other similar event's that have been experienced by people, why the bible well for some of us it is important and seeing something so important change can JARR a person to there very core.

Some claim faulty memory, I don't agree, some claim failing eye sight and that is a possibility definitely so?.
But combined it adds up to a bewildering experience of reality changing, sometimes causing reality shock's for people whom believe one thing then find out there belief is no longer true - at least in the world were they live now.

a reply to: glend

Interesting question. I'd say that the difficult thing with prophecies is that you have to wait for it to happen before you can confirm or not confirm.

From the sounds of this prophecy I'd think that once it happens (or not) there won't be enough people left to confirm it; people will be scrambling to survive. Who's gonna have time to be worried about the accuracy of a prophecy...?

a reply to: glend
Interesting topic from a new perspective. I appreciate the OP, having never heard of a "micro-nova."

12000 years ago is becoming rich with theories leading to the epoch known as the Lesser Dryas and then onto our own developing pre-history.

Comet impact theory, or the notion of a micro-nova accomplishing similar effects viewed from today "seem" like a possibility...how it relates to Hopi prophecy...Im open to theories on the Blue Star Kachina, removal of the "mask" implies an "understanding," or recognition at some point during the event of something that must be known to the True Hopi.

Appreciate Lum's input.

a reply to: LABTECH767

I too remember the Sun being golden yellow.

My family( Armenian) lived in Turkey at the base of Ararat until 1910. Grandfather told me about the Ark, and said the same. It was up real high. and frozen in solid thick ice. The only time it was exposed, was after 15 years consecutive drought, and then only the back was exposed. People have been on and in it over the centuries from time to time, when it is exposed

a reply to: Lumenari

Thanks Lumenari. Below is full documentary, If you look at 27:51 they are talking about the filaments that show in plasma.
If the sun is masked with the same filaments during a micronova it could be translated into "Kachina dances in the plaza and takes off his mask".

The energy given off could burn all the people on the earth facing the sun. etc.

a reply to: lostbook

My family ancestor was part of unknowingly being part of making a prophecy come about. My great grandmothers uncle was made Minister of Finance for the Ottoman Empire, and also entrusted with the Sultans ( Hamid 2nd) personal finances.
Its a long story that includes a fight at the church of Nativity between Armenians and Russians, and then turned into an expensive war between Ottomans and Russia that broke the bank. Jews were not allowed to own land, but my ancestor sold them land in Israel complete with legal titles. I think it got the Sultan in trouble, possibly, with " the young turks"? That prophecy was the dry dead bones. Remember? God said he would restore the nation, and we got it going!

Because of that, I believe God provided safe passage for my family out of the country a dozen years later, so we avoided the Armenian Holocaust.

a reply to: LABTECH767

"So Prophecy's, how accurate can they be, only the author of reality can make an accurate one especially if reality itself is not a fixed point."

There is saying LABTECH767, “When the Soul wants to experience something she throws out an image in front of her and then steps into it.”. So what may be real are the experiences we each learn from the reality we witness. That reality being different to each of us. Because our postion is spacetime, our senses, and intellect are different from one another. So the sun was golden yellow when you witnessed it. That being truth relative to you.

I once had a rare dream (I don't remember 99.9% my dreams) that someone stole all the money from my credit card. I woke up 4am in the morning and checked my account through the computer. The money had been stolen. So I sat there looking at the screen for 30 minutes wondering if I was still in a dream. As that was the only logical conclusion I could make. But I wasn't still dreaming. It had occurred, So now I know that things can happen that defy logic. I just roll with it.

a reply to: glend

"...the Earth rocking to an fro..." & Antartica without ice.

Along with the pole shift you discuss there is also the 'Milankovitch cycle' throry of Earths Axial shift, which says...

"The angle of the Earth's axial tilt with respect to the orbital plane (the obliquity of the ecliptic) varies between 22.1° and 24.5°, over a cycle of about 41,000 years. The current tilt is 23.44°, roughly halfway between its extreme values. The tilt last reached its maximum in 8,700 BCE. It is now in the decreasing phase of its cycle, and will reach its minimum around the year 11,800 CE."

and

"In about 13,000 years, the north pole will be tilted toward the Sun when the Earth is at perihelion. Axial tilt and orbital eccentricity will both contribute their maximum increase in solar radiation during the northern hemisphere's summer. Axial precession will promote more extreme variation in irradiation of the northern hemisphere and less extreme variation in the south."

The above is apparently confirmed by good ol' corporate science.

en.m.wikipedia.org...#:~:text=The%20angle%20of%20the%20Earth's,its%20maximum%20in%208%2C700%20BCE.

Anyway, combine the above with a 'Blue Star' event with a Milankovitch and its wipe the white board, and start again I think.

originally posted by: glend
The Hopi Indians gave us a prophency about the coming of the new world in which a great spirit will signal as a blue star. Followed with the earth rocking too and fro and white men fighting other nations.

The blue star has been envisioned as a comet. But there is another possibility. The star that turns blue is our own sun, as a result of what some nickname a micronova, a solar cyclic event that occurs every 12,000 years. We know from tree ring data that energy emitted from the sun in 774AD was 1000x greater than Carrington event (strongest solar flare known in modern history). The micronova is assumed to be even stronger still. That will likely take out all the grid's. With massive voltage surges destroying most electronic equipment.

"earth rocking too and fro" seems ridiculous at first glance. But we know from our recent past. That Siberia was grasslands, that turned frigid so fast, it froze woolly-mammoths with blood still in their veins. We have the baffling Piri Reis Map dated from 16th century that shows Antarctica without ice-caps. Obviously this map was copied from a much older map. But where were the ice-caps when humans first mapped the coast-line of Antartica.

A theory called Cataclysmic pole shift hypothesis. Proposes the position of the earths crust moves every 12,000 years by 90 degree's. Causing massive tidal waves and floods known today as myths. Sending civiliations back into a dark age. That Cataclysmic pole shift hypothesis being signalled by rapid magnetic pole movement that is occuring today.

Historic proof High Plasma Event in Stone...

Cataclysmic Pole Shift Event huh ?

Well around here we call it....a Global Continental Displacement Event.

It creates Global Continental Displacement Waves....Noahs Flood.

Great thread and topic.



This is The Big Secret.The Earth itself is the evidence and it it overwhelming and undeniable.

Coming soon to a Continent near you !!

I have read interpretations that said the blue star was sputnik burning up as it fell out of orbit, or the space station falling, or a "planet X" type Niburu star arriving, and even as an alien encounter with beings from the Dog Star Sirius.

It seems like what ever this event is in their prophecy, it's the next sign to happen before the Earth gets smoked.

Their prophecies have been pretty good up to now and I find it interesting that much of their religion is very similar to Christianity.

Its relevant because its the same Event.....

I was shown our expected Future by a Group of technologiclly advanced Military Humans wearing Blue One-piece Uniforms and operating a massive Military Craft.

It dosnt look good.

I was uploaded with visual imagry ....I share my conclusions here on ATS.

I watched it on high definition HD Digital Screen back in 1975.

The Survival odds are zero to none.

But I chose to come back down and accept the challenge alongside my Family.

Its going to happen in my lifetime or potential lifespan.

Im more than half way through that.

Buckle up Sunshine...things are going to get really hot then really wet then really cold really really fast.

a reply to: glend
Since I learned about "vitrified forts" I have wondered if the way the rocks are melted was something to do with a huge solar event.
For anyone who hasn't heard of them-
Vitrified Forts are ancient settlements which are built from rocks long ago and the rocks show signs of being partially melted together(or vitrified) by a process which is unknown.These forts were first mostly found in Scotland,but have since been found in other parts of Northern Europe-nowhere else.

Although it is speculated that this vitrification was done by the fort builders somehow,no process has been found to be able to achieve the results seen in the forts.

To acheive vitrification,you need heat-LOTS of heat...not the sort of heat you would get from a regular fire.

As an example-
Ceramics can be vitrified(to make them tolerant to water)-but to do that they are fired in a kiln at normal kiln temperature,then fired again at a higher temperature.
These temperatures are not acheived by just making a big bonfire-they happen inside modern insulated kilns.

This makes me wonder if these ancient forts were exposed to some kind of mega heat event-maybe from a solar event.
I wonder if it is possible that this solar event only lasted a few hours,and Northern Europe was in just the right position to be worst effected-hence these vitrified forts only being found in that part of the world.

en.wikipedia.org...

I think the problem with prophecies is that matter of if it possible, as much as it is when.

Oddly enough, prophecies in most myths were self fulfilling. Like Zeus over throwing his Father, imagine if he didnt try to kill his children, an taught them responsibility, and having looking women husbands, and having ubconstentual sex was wrong, and fade away in happy memories.

Or Fenir growing to an unimaginable size and one swallowed Odin cause he was too happy to see his favorite owner in a parallel universe.

Or the moon probably going to cause the end of days, and the Sun causing the End Time.

originally posted by: glend
A theory called Cataclysmic pole shift hypothesis. Proposes the position of the earths crust moves every 12,000 years by 90 degree's. Causing massive tidal waves and floods known today as myths. Sending civiliations back into a dark age. That Cataclysmic pole shift hypothesis being signalled by rapid magnetic pole movement that is occuring today.

Yes, I read a great fiction novel about this very theory.

The HAB Theory.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: glend
A theory called Cataclysmic pole shift hypothesis. Proposes the position of the earths crust moves every 12,000 years by 90 degree's. Causing massive tidal waves and floods known today as myths. Sending civiliations back into a dark age. That Cataclysmic pole shift hypothesis being signalled by rapid magnetic pole movement that is occuring today.

Yes, I read a great fiction novel about this very theory.



Its not fiction its fact.

The HAB Theory.

www.rawveganpsychic.com...

www.poleshift.org...

www.youtube.com...

www.bing.com...



www.rawveganpsychic.com...

a reply to: glend

You have a very good point, I personally believe someone a guardian or family member who has gone over before you is the reason you knew something was wrong with your bank account.

Many mothers KNOW if there child is ill even if that child is in his 60's and living in another part of the world and they are not talking any longer, the mother never stop's loving or thinking about her child every hour of every day of every week of every month of every year of there lives.

This was true of My mum Alice, her first Husband a guy by the name of Frank Leslie tried to poison her and of course it went through her body into her baby daughter, the whites of her own eye's had turned black and she ran to the doctor with Sharon Bernadette Leslie turning blue in her arms, the doctor was able to save them both but told her that she had been poisoned.

Frank used to make a cup of tea for her and then stand watching to make certain she drank ever drop, she had no choice but to get away from him and Francis Paul her eldest child my eldest (half - well it's a lot more than half when it comes from your mother as you inherit more from your mum - every cell in your body carries her mitochondria and it is only the nuclear DNA that is half paternal) brother wanted to stay with his DAD the poisoner and he kept her daughter too, my mum went to the police but had no home to go to except to come back from the republic of Ireland to her mothers in Liverpool, Frank Leslie though followed her over and even after the divorce was stalking her which forced her into an even worse marriage to a worse man, don't worry she got away from the second monster as well eventually.

But years later whenever Frankie or Sharon was ill she felt it, I would sometimes see her holding a tiny black and white photograph and crying sitting on her own and I found out it was a picture of her two first children, there full sister Christine was saved from the first husband, his putting little Francis with MONK's (he ended up having electro shock therapy so what did those monks do to him) but though she wanted her children Frankie had been old enough to make the decision that he wanted to stay with his father, the police in Ireland would not help my mum because she was English and even though so too were her two children having been born here since there father was Irish they illegally refused my mum help in getting her children back plus there was the matter that he WAS there father.

So there was still that Psychic link between parent and child that lasted, I know it is real and so too do you, we can not define it and all attempts to do so will fail until it is our reality.

Also some here are talking about POLE SHIFTS, they may find this source interesting.
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a reply to: glend

The star has changed colour already. Gone from blue to red. This happened 25ad. We then entered a new age. It was commemorated with the story of Jesus. He was 25 years old when he started preaching. This moment marked the entering of the new age. John the baptis the one that came before Jesus. Born of a virgin and with a big belt being representive of Osirius (Orion) This is the star set that was traditionaly used in Kemeitc culute to mark the rising of the star Sirus.

The star was Sirius and yes it is a cyclic.
It moves on a 24k year cycle (12k is half an age. Your calibration is correct.

Rhe cycle is well described in the Kali Yugas where it talks about the seasons of man. From the fall to the rise and back again.

Its of note that the Hopi use to orientate there medicine lodges to the star Sirius. Its also the same red star referred to as the planet Nibiru by the Sumerians. Its a mystery kept in plane site.

and yes OP it is our sun. It is considered the sun behind the sun in occultic teachings. Its the black sun to the SS.

It has many names and is woven into our culture worldwide when you know how to look.