FTL Inertialess Drive

I has figured out that anything other than Photons moves faster than light without getting infinite mass and requires infinite energy are only as impossible as move up and down in a sheet of 2d paper

this is accomplished by using physics of 4th dimension(before you're say "time as 4th dimension", each spatial dimensions have it's own space-time where in this case, 4th dimension consists it's own space-time instead of being just time itself) and laws of Relativity can circumvented by 4th-dimensional physics

what do you think?

What if you work out what the Higgs Boson is and use it to negate the mass of the ship and its contents. If you can make your mass = 0 then you don't have to worry about infinite energy for FTL with e = mc^2.

Hang on, is this a new lolcat meme? I just can't keep up these days.....

a reply to: masonicon

Lots of sciency words you’ve got there, to bad none of it means anything

a reply to: masonicon

How can spatial dimensions have their own separate spatial dimensions?

You do realize that the mathematical concept is rather limited. Dimensions are not entire alternate realities, despite the 1800's spiritualist mumbo-jumbo.

Can you provide a mathematical description of how such a thing works?

... and surely if spatial dimensions had sub-spatial dimensions, then the rules would also be unlimited to allow those sub-spatial dimensions to have sub-sub-spatial dimensions, and so on in infinite recursion.

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a reply to: masonicon

You have a severe misunderstanding of what dimensions are. In physics, dimensions are another way of saying a direction of movement. Now there are some that claim the 4th dimension is time however so is the 3rd so its kind of silly. in 3d space, you need 3 coordinates to find an object however if the object is in motion you need a 4th coordinate namely time. You cant circumvent anything with 4th-dimensional physics whatever that is.

Oh boy another nothing burger with a clickbaity title.

ATS, some things won't be missed.

I suggest you do about 5 years worth of reading on these topics, then come back when you have more than a paragraph worth to say on the topic.

You could be a genius, but realize that there are geniuses that devote their entire lives to this. What you can crunch together in an afternoon of thought, pales in the comparison.

Devote time and research that far exceeds what you have done so far. You may develop something I actually want to read. I'm not telling you to stop, or criticizing what you have in the negative. I am saying, you can probably do more, and I look forward to it.

It is a no-brainer to watch a UFO, manned or not, perform an instant stop, start or a right-angle turn and understand that the operators know physics a lot better than we earthlings with our emphatic views (limits) on SOL, etc.

For near SOL velocities you don't need to rewrite physics, like they didn't rewrite physics as the first aircraft flew. All you need is a device generating a field to eliminate mass and the gravity aspect takes care of itself. Oh, you also need a new mindset to allow what a minute ago was impossible.





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a reply to: dragonridr

Higher Dimensions in Physics and Mathematics!

Pseudoscientists lean heavily on the assumption that their readers will know absolutely nothing about science or math. This is a pretty safe assumption, alas. And it requires no effort on the part of the pseudoscientist, because he also invariably knows no science or math either.

It is worth summarizing the ways in which the various concepts of "higher dimensions'' gradually diffused out from legitimate math and science, through hundreds of increasingly distorted, confused and muddled journalistic presentations and sensationalizations, into late 19th Century science fiction and 20th Century pseudoscience.

In the late 19th Century mathematicians became increasingly interested in the foundations of geometry. Our own universe has 3 space dimensions. But what would geometry be like if there were 4 space dimensions? Or 5? Or 10? Or an arbitrary number? Or an infinite number? Mathematicians worked a great deal on geometries with arbitrary numbers of space dimensions.

Mathematicians also worked a great deal on "non-Euclidian'' geometries that violate one or more of the postulates of Euclid. In Euclidian geometry, parallel lines remain the same distance apart. One can imagine a geometry in which parallel lines eventually intersect, and a geometry in which parallel lines gradually separate further and further. Such spaces are usually described as "curved''— an example is the 2-dimensional surface of a sphere, on which lines initially parallel at the equator of the sphere intersect at the poles of the sphere.


Mathematicians had no idea that their work would ever prove useful to physicists, but some of it did have application in the real world. For hundreds of years physicists had worked in a 4-dimensional framework, because it takes a minimum of 4 numbers to specify an event: 3 to specify its space location and 1 to specify when it happened. In 1905 Einstein found that, to be correct, laws of physics must be written in a 4-dimensional form that physicists call "Lorentz Invariant,'' or "Manifestly Covariant.'' The reason is that different observers will disagree as to how much of an event "projects'' onto the space axes and how much "projects'' onto the time axis. That is, different observers can disagree as to how long a process takes, or on the size of the physical space that the process occupies. Only the full four-dimensional aspects of the process remain the same for all observers.

In 1915, Einstein found a more general description of gravitational phenomena, in which the density of matter directly determines the "curvature'' of 4-dimensional space-time. That is, his theory of gravity was purely geometrical. The amount of matter determines the type of geometry that exists in the surrounding space. Other matter travels along the straightest possible trajectory in this curved space-time...

The structure of all known physical laws demands that our universe have only 3 extended space dimensions. For example, the fact— established and confirmed by experiment consistently for nearly 400 years— that all long-range interactions, such as gravity and the radiation field of the electromagnetic force, fall off like the inverse square of the distance, demands that space be precisely 3 dimensional.

That's true unless the other dimensions never interact with ours, and if that's the case, then the non-interacting other dimensions don't have any explanatory value for anything we can see, because they are non-interacting.

Then the article talks about the extra dimensions in string and M theory and why they are also useless for human scale objects, though they might affect something we can't see, like an electron:

More confusion about higher dimensions was generated in the press beginning in 1984, when physicists became excited about so-called "string theory.'' Physicists have never been able to work out a theory of gravitation that is consistent with quantum mechanics and also has some feature that indicates it might be uniquely correct! String theory provided a geometrical description of quantum processes that incorporated gravity very naturally. But three other forces besides gravity are known. Borrowing the idea of Kaluza and Klein, physicists incorporated the other three forces and their "couplings" by adding space dimensions— the only thing you can do in a theory that is purely geometric. A typical string theory had 9 or 10 space dimensions and 1 time dimension. The extra space dimensions had to be there to incorporate phenomena other than gravity geometrically, but they could not "actually'' be there or the theory would not have worked. The solution was to curl these extra dimensions up mathematically into tight "wads'' no more than 10^-35 meters in length, a process called "compaction." The extra dimensions would thus be "compact," and indetectable.

So those extra dimensions in string or M theory are useless for human scale objects, but might apply to things on the Planck scale.

What about the possibility of other dimensions which are larger? They would still be less than a tiny fraction of a meter, a little larger than the incredibly small Planck scale, but still very tiny:

One straightforward tipoff that extra dimensions are there would be a departure of the gravitational force from the familiar inverse-square dependence on distance, for small distances. How small? Well, indeed gravity has not been very carefully studied and probed at very short but macroscopic distances, such as 10^-5 meters or less. Fairly simple but tedious experiments can be done and are being done to settle some of these questions, and we will just patiently have to await results.

So the possibility of extra dimensions is being researched in that arena also, but they would be very tiny fraction of a meter or less.

Finally:

Pseudoscientists and fiction writers have always loved "higher dimensions.'' Almost any fantasy can be motivated by appeal to the "mysterious 4th dimension,'' or the famous "15th Akasic dimension.'' But it is important to realize that such concepts are not borrowed from either science or mathematics, and have no basis whatsoever in the verified descriptions and observed phenomena of the world we actually live in.

That's the science, courtesy of the University of Texas.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Even Theosophists know that.

“Theosophy postulates endless interpenetrating worlds or planes composed of different grades of energy-substance, with only our own immediate world being within our range of perception. But other planes are not extra ‘dimensions’; on the contrary, objects and entities on any plane are extended in three dimensions – no more and no less.”

gainesvilletheosophy.wordpress.com...

Theosophy (and other New Age nonsense) often attempts to lend credence to metaphysics by improperly attaching actual scientific terminology and concepts. (The notion that the double slit experiment implies that consciousness has an effect on the building blocks of reality, for example.) However, in this case the followers of the original New Agers know the difference.

a reply to: masonicon

You need big bang levels of energy to surpass the speed of light.

Going with current knowledge you have inflation, which moved at many multiples of C.

In physical cosmology, cosmic inflation, cosmological inflation, or just inflation, is a theory of exponential expansion of space in the early universe. The inflationary epoch lasted from 10−36 seconds after the conjectured Big Bang singularity to some time between 10−33 and 10−32 seconds after the singularity.

And you have accelerated expansion which is cosmological constant related. 

Because the cosmological constant is a fixed value across the universe, it implies that dark energy will always have the same strength. Since it is the energy of space itself, then as space expands more dark energy comes into the universe, causing the expansion to accelerate ever faster.

Both may imply an open system. Both may imply energy comes from outside the parameters of our standard model universe.

this is accomplished by using physics of 4th dimension(before you're say "time as 4th dimension", each spatial dimensions have it's own space-time where in this case, 4th dimension consists it's own space-time instead of being just time itself) and laws of Relativity can circumvented by 4th-dimensional physics

High energy particles (like a boson) and the quirkiness of gravitation suggest way more than 4 dimensions.

And there is a misconception on dimensions as well.. Dimensions are just the parameters and attributes that "place" our universe. 

Applying what the dimensions mean in string theory..

Paraphrased/quoted from Phys.Org:

phys.org...

0-3rd dimension = Point, X, Y, and Z

Fourth dimension is time, which governs the properties of all known matter at any given point. Along with the three other dimensions, knowing an objects position in time is essential to plotting its position in the universe.

For myself, my 4 dimesional coordinates place me in California at 11:18 UTC.

With Space/Time covered now it gets superpositionally compacted. Higher dimensions "curled up" at every single point you can plot. (Like the tip of your finger)

fifth dimension, we would see a world slightly different from our own that would give us a means of measuring the similarity and differences between our world and other possible ones.

In the sixth dimension, we would see a plane of possible worlds, where we could compare and position all the possible universes that start with the same initial conditions as this one (i.e. the Big Bang).

In the seventh dimension, you have access to the possible worlds that start with different initial conditions.

The eighth dimension again gives us a plane of such possible universe histories, each of which begins with different initial conditions and branches out infinitely

In the ninth dimension, we can compare all the possible universe histories, starting with all the different possible laws of physics and initial conditions.

 In the tenth and final dimension, we arrive at the point in which everything possible and imaginable is covered.

Dimensions are ways to locate and plot out our multiversal existence..

Now I'm in California at 11:18 UTC, on this particular version of earth, in a universe starting with a big bang, with this universal history, and these specific laws of physics...

I am still with Stargate, we need a Naquadria reaction to create enough energy to open a hyperspace window to circumvent all the above parameters or something.

“Dimensions” is a term oft used these days...



As pointed out, the term, dimension, has a precise meaning depending upon the topic. In math, it is just more variables. In physics, it is a mathematical description about space-time and how to account for the various manifestations of unseen and hypothetical “realms” where these things effect the ‘real’ macro world we inhabit. In psychology it means something else (I am guessing here... just trying to explain how a label in field is not the same concept n another).

But it is the other idea that is interesting!

If light has no mass, can only travel so fast in the vacuum of space, then why the H3ll does it even interact with our 4D Universe??

I mean that nobody drives the speed limits anymore because they are in a hurry! Why does light!??!

Maybe ‘dark’ “stuff we can’t see” is sprinting away faster than light and we are lazy ones that cannot keep up because we are trapped in collapsing the wave!!

See!! You close your eye and Universe disappears!!

“They can’t see us...”
“Because we’re in the Spirit World, a-hole!!”

We are all to stupid to do it.
so we just admit we dont know much.
stop pretending we know how it works
and get on with learnibg a lot more.

Cave man discovers fire and things he is god!

ive said that before, use higgs boson to cancel out mass, and fire out a laser in front of the ship and have a core that travels along the lasr like its an electrical current moving along a wire and hey ho watch it go!a reply to: kwakakev

a reply to: DARREN1976

I am an idiot!

If is over!!

D’oh!!

I mean facepalm!

(Been in the middle of some heavy shizz and wasn’t paying full attention. Ah well!)