Coronavirus exposure no longer means automatic isolation in Sacramento, Yolo, Placer

originally posted by: ntech
a reply to: Gothmog

With the number of confirmed cases and the probability of a 20 to 40 day incubation period where you are infectious long before the symptoms appear it was just not possible to contain it long term.

There is probably a number of walking dead in the US right now.

Isn't there anyway ?
Even from a normal cold .
Not counting automobile accidents , falling in the shower , and various maladies .

And , for your information , the number of confirmes cases is still way less than even the death from the common flu 2018 - 2019 just in the US.

Denying ignorance AND panic spreading .
Why ?
It is the righteous thing to do.

a reply to: Xtrozero

I could say the same, really.. but I don't want my 80 year old mother getting it.

She would not get over it.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Yah, not sure it’s solid idea.
I’m in Sacramento, I like the idea of having quarantine policy better, but understand it might be too late for that too.

I don’t like any of the alternatives. This is all super frustrating for everyone. We can only hope they made the right decision.

originally posted by: clay2 baraka


If it does get into the lungs, it will be better for the quality of your treatment if you have access to oxygen before the hospitals are overwhelmed..

SOOOooo get it now ahead of the crowd...

originally posted by: Gothmog
Isn't there anyway ?
Even from a normal cold .
Not counting automobile accidents , falling in the shower , and various maladies .

And , for your information , the number of confirmes cases is still way less than even the death from the common flu 2018 - 2019 just in the US.

Denying ignorance AND panic spreading .
Why ?
It is the righteous thing to do.

I wasn't aware that merely being in close proximity to someone could cause a potentially fatal falling in the shower virus to spread.

Car accidents? Compared to a virulent disease?

The common cold? now if it were a novel cold, it might be different, but not the common common cold.

I like to swim with sharks, without a cage. It's perfectly safe. It's just paranoia that they eat people. All those shark attacks are made up to scare people. Only the gullible fall for it. I keep a fish tank in my bedroom and sleep with my sharks. No problemo.

What I do, really, is I take acceptable precaution, especially with something that is still a relatively unknown thing. What I don't do, is say the sky is green, the grass is blue, nothing to be bothered about, stop being stupid... as planes crash into parks and people are throwing their dogs into the sky trying to take scruffy for a walk.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse


Seems to me he’s saying they don’t have the capacity or the resources to scope out the people who came in contact with an affected person since the number has become too high now.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: ElectricUniverse


Seems to me he’s saying they don’t have the capacity or the resources to scope out the people who came in contact with an affected person since the number has become too high now.

Agreed.

That was my point earlier..

a reply to: Gothmog

Actually, it first depends on the strain of COVID-19 you catch.

The common flu normally infects 3%-8% of the U.S. population. COVID-19 is more infectious, and more deadly than the common cold.

Is Covid-19 worse than the flu?
Many flu comparisons are missing the point.
by Mihai Andrei
March 4, 2020
...
If all we had was a new type of flu, that was one thing. But Covid-19 is much more dangerous than the seasonal flu.

For starters, it’s more contagious. The average person, even with mild symptoms, is likely to spread the disease to more than two people. By contrast, the seasonal flu’s rate is roughly half.

In addition, the incubation period of the coronavirus is 2-14 days, with some suspicions that it could be even longer than that. The flu incubation period is usually 1-4 days, and in extreme cases, it can range up to five days. This means that the period in which the virus can be transmitted is around 3 times higher than influenza, which also helps to explain why it’s so contagious.
...

www.zmescience.com...

I know that President Trump has said that this is not more infectious than the flu/influenza. But the President has been told the numbers that countries like China CLAIM. But communist, and socialist regimes like Iran, control all information and don't give the real numbers of the infections, and death toll from such an epidemic like this one.

The President is being given false information. It's like claiming that the information that the CIA has in it's homepage about Cuba, or China is true... Which is false. These countries don't allow humanitarian groups to investigate in those countries. Hence, the only information you get from those countries are what the dictatorships claim, but not the real numbers.

China was offered medical help to study the epidemic, and to help them. Why did China deny all medical help?

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

No one said a dang thing about the rate of contagion , nor which is worse.
Go back and read my post with just a bit of comprehension if you will .

a reply to: infolurker

Are you going to provide food and rent money for everyone so they can stay home for 2 weeks? It’s just not practical or logical at this point.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

The President is being given false information.

We're ALL getting bad information. It's all over the place. It cannot all be true. It doesn't all add up.

But I'm pretty sure Trump is making decisions based on information we -- you and me -- don't have. I don't know that I would agree with his decisions even if I did know what he knows, but it's important to remember that we don't know what he knows.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Well, back on march 9th there were 605 confirmed cases and 22 confirmed dead.

most of the dead in the U.S. come from just one old folks home, and a few other old folks home in washington state.

King County deaths: 26
A man in his 50s who was admitted to Harborview Medical Center in Seattle on Feb. 24 and died Feb. 26 tested positive for coronavirus, a hospital spokesperson confirmed Tuesday. The patient had underlying medical conditions and had been transferred from Life Care Center in Kirkland. This is now the first person in the country to die of coronavirus.
A woman in her 80s who was a resident of Life Care died at her family home on Feb. 26. She was never hospitalized.
A man in his 50s was a patient at EvergreenHealth Medical Center in Kirkland. He had underlying health conditions, Duchin said. The man had no history of travel outside of the U.S. or known contact with anyone who had COVID-19. This man was originally the first reported person to die of coronavirus.
A man in his 70s was hospitalized at EvergreenHealth. He had underlying health conditions and died on Feb. 29.
A man in his 70s was hospitalized at EvergreenHealth. The man had underlying health conditions and died on March 1.
A woman in her 70s was hospitalized at EvergreenHealth. The woman had underlying health conditions and died on March 1.
A woman in her 80s was hospitalized at EvergreenHealth in critical condition. She had underlying health conditions and died on March 1.
A woman in her 70s who was a resident of Life Care Center in Kirkland died on March 2.
A woman in her 90s, resident of Life Care Center, hospitalized at EvergreenHealth and died on March 3.
A woman in her 90s, resident of Life Care Center, and was hospitalized at EvergreenHealth. She had underlying health conditions and died on March 3.
A man in his 60s. He was not a resident of Life Care Center, but was a visitor. He died on March 5.
A man in his 70s, a Life Care Center resident, was hospitalized at EvergreenHealth, and who died on March 2.
A woman in her 80s, a Life Care Center resident, was hospitalized at Harborview Medical Center, and who died on March 5.
A woman in her 70s, a Life Care Center resident, was hospitalized at EvergreenHealth, and who died on March 6.
A woman in her 80s, a Life Care Center resident, was hospitalized at EvergreenHealth, and who died on March 6.
A woman in her 80s, a Life Care Center resident, was hospitalized at EvergreenHealth, and who died on March 6.
A man in his 90s, a Life Care Center resident, was hospitalized at Harborview Medical Center, and who died on March 5.
A woman in her 80s, a Life Care Center resident, was hospitalized at EvergreenHealth, and died on March 4.
A woman in her 90s, a Life Care Center resident, was hospitalized at Harborview Medical Center, and died on March 8.
A woman in her 70s, a Life Care Center resident, who was hospitalized at EvergreenHealth, and who died on March 8.
A woman in her 80s, a resident of Issaquah Nursing and Rehabilitation Center, was hospitalized at Swedish Issaquah, and died on March 8.
A male in his 80s, a resident of Ida Culver House, was hospitalized at University of Washington Medical Center, and died on March 9.
A woman in her 90s, Life Care Center resident, died on March 3.
A man in his 90s, Life Care Center resident, hospitalized at EvergreenHealth, died on March 5.
A woman in her 60s, Life Care Center resident, hospitalized at EvergreenHealth, died on March 9.
A woman in her 90s, a resident of Redmond Care and Rehab, hospitalized at EvergreenHealth, died on March 10.
Here are the deaths and cases of coronavirus in Washington state

if you look some of those that died in the hospital came from Life Care Center.

as i said again and again, being old and confined in a old folks home is not a very good place to have hunker down from a virus or anything for that matter.

The long-term care facility, about 20 minutes north of Seattle, has been battling a coronavirus outbreak for weeks. Since the outbreak started, 26 of the center's residents have died, 13 of whom were confirmed to have COVID-19, the disease the coronavirus causes. Some others who died have not yet been tested.

Over 51 coronavirus cases have been confirmed among Life Care residents. Those experiencing acute symptoms have been transferred to hospitals. Still in the facility are 49 residents, 21 of whom have been diagnosed with COVID-19.

Ten long-term care facilities in the greater Seattle area have confirmed coronavirus cases, Seattle and King County's public-health agency said this week.

all of the last above come from ,
More than 60% of the US's coronavirus deaths are linked to a Washington nursing home. Here's what we know about the outbreak there.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Since 99% of the cases in the USA are classified as "mild", focusing on protecting those who are "at risk" is the wise choice.

Well, back on march 9th there were 605 confirmed cases and 22 confirmed dead.

Cases of COVID-19 in the U.S.

That's a 3.63% death rate. If you extrapolate that and just let's say 100 million Americans get COVID-19, that would mean 3,630,000 dead Americans. That is not mild.

To reduce the death toll we should continue to quarantine people. Allowing it to just run rampage is a recipe for disaster.

Weren't most of those deaths from a nursing home though? Don't think that death rate is too accurate if it were an even distribution of ages infected.

Right. 'Cause increased government control always fixes things.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Since 99% of the cases in the USA are classified as "mild", focusing on protecting those who are "at risk" is the wise choice.

Better watch expressing those rational thoughts of calm and common sense. They are not very popular these days!

So this area of California is overrun?

Good.

Then at least one of you has pictures, actual video evidence of California hospital wardens overflowing with all these sick and dying patients, right?

Wait. You mean you don't, and no one does? Huh ... must be because almost all of these overwhelming numbers of sick folks are at home sick with a mild cold or flu-like illness and the medical professionals are exactly right.

The ones who need protection are the ones most vulnerable to dying from this: the elderly, the immunocompromised, and those with underlying medical conditions. They need to be protected so they don't all get sick at once.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

A little discussion about Mitigation vs Quarantine.

EASING OF CORONAVIRUS QUARANTINE MEASURES IN SACRAMENTO LEAVES EXPERTS TORN

"It is one thing to say we need to do mitigation, but there is no doubt that containment & slowing progression is still important so ditching quarantine for contact at this point seems to misguided, especially due to the still limited testing," he said.

"Let's suppose #Sacramento County is correct (which I think they are not) that it is time to ditch containment. That would mean it is time for aggressive mitigation strategies. Yet their mitigation plan is woefully minimalistic, almost a joke." For instance, Eisen argued, telling the sick to stay home is "a weak guideline at best."

Tom Hopkins, a doctor in the city of Roseville, told ABC 10 there is there is no need to quarantine for 14 days as the virus is spreading in California. "What would you do if it was a bad flu season? What would happen," Hopkins asked. "We wouldn't be quarantining. It wouldn't exist. There's no difference

I’m starting to lean to mitigation the more I understand.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Experts Answer Questions about why Sacramento chose to move to mitigation over Quarantine
This article is explaining why they chose to move from quarantine to Mitigation.

For some reason it won’t let me copy paste anything from the article so you’ll have to read it.

It say that local and national leaders are calling for the public, business, nonprofits and religious organizations and “all other entities” to change behaviors.

Somewhere in the article it says churches need to reduce and eliminate events and “activities” that may spread the virus.

So I wonder how churches will handle communion.

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Sounds like they want it to spread. Hell, If you got it, stay your ass at home until it is gone. If you have been exposed to it, stay your ass at home until you can be cleared. How hard is that? Is that too much to ask?

Would be nice if we had the testing capability to actually find out if someone has it or not right?

The problem is this won't just happen this year. The virus is out already and will be a recurrent event. Just because you get it once, and you were able to get rid of the virus doesn't mean you won't get it anymore. What's more this type of coronavirus weakens your immune system so that if you get it again your immune system will weaken more to a point that your body won't be able to fight it anymore.

I have already stated that the claim that "only old people die from it" is false. Young people die from it too.

We already have countries like Italy which are allowing elder people infected to not be treated...

Take this seriously, this is not "the flu", this is much more contagious and much more lethal than the flu.